Obama's Income Rredistribution/Economic Plan

rainjack · September 24, 2008, 1:38pm

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
bald eagle wrote:

However, there have been more republicans willing to limit the growth of entitlements. But they get shot down and villified as cutting the benefits of the elderly. That is a fact. They convince the elderly that the evil republicans want to cut their checks. Just look at the reaction of partial privatization of social security.

As if the money I earn is theirs.

Hell yeah, fuck old people, it’s not like they paid into the system or anything. And obviously privatization of SS is a great idea with no drawbacks whatsoever, it’s not like the current crisis might…nevermind.[/quote]

Social Security should go broke. Pay everyone back exactly what they have paid in, and let it die. There should never have been a social security in the first place.

But there has never once been a cut in Soc Sec benefits. Ho can you possibly say that old people are getting fucked?

Aren’t you supposed to be the anti-talking points guru? Why are there kool-aid stains on your mouth, then?

SteelyD · September 24, 2008, 1:49pm

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
bald eagle wrote:

However, there have been more republicans willing to limit the growth of entitlements. But they get shot down and villified as cutting the benefits of the elderly. That is a fact. They convince the elderly that the evil republicans want to cut their checks. Just look at the reaction of partial privatization of social security.

As if the money I earn is theirs.

Hell yeah, fuck old people, it’s not like they paid into the system or anything. And obviously privatization of SS is a great idea with no drawbacks whatsoever, it’s not like the current crisis might…nevermind.[/quote]

If Social Security were privatized, the private sector businesses who ‘ran’ it would be under investigation immediately for engaging in a Ponzi Scheme, which is what Social Security is, but it’s ok because it’s “The Government”.

All SS funds should be returned immediately to it’s recipients (yes, bailout) or rolled immediately into IRAs or 401k plans and the entire entity completely liquidated and dissolved.

LIFTICVSMAXIMVS · September 24, 2008, 1:50pm

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Hell yeah, fuck old people, it’s not like they paid into the system or anything.[/quote]

Good point. People that paid in should get a 100% refund. If they have already collected more than they paid in then they are done and owe back to the taxpayers. Fuck 'em.

RoadWarrior · September 24, 2008, 2:16pm

[quote]rainjack wrote:
RoadWarrior wrote:
After the thrashing the current administation has handed the country, to talk of an Income Rredistribution/Economic Plan by either candidate is pure nonsense. Driving the country into massive debt over the first trillion dolars spent in Iraq (it is obviously more important to build schools over there while we close them here)and now watching the Republican administration push Socialism on the country through the BS bailout and another trillion dollars, there will be nothing left. The AIG bailout protected more money overseas than it did here.

China doesn’t need nuclear war to topple the USA, they only have to foreclose on the debt our current adminstration has financed with them. Thanks to Wall Street and our fine boys in DC. The USA is now United Socialist America.

Please elaborate on the “thrashing”. Maybe do it with some facts instead of dem talking points.

You sound like Pelosi. [/quote]

You are right. The country is in a better place than it was 8 years ago. The war in Iraq has built our economy rich and strong. Education and healthcare in America are excellant. There is no problem with Wall Street and no need to convert the government to Socialism. Gas is cheaper and food is very affordable.

I am not necessarliy for Obama, but people can quit whining that he wants to turn the country in Socialism. The Republicans beat him to it.

But hey, you are right. Keep on your rose-colored glasses and you childlike attitude towards the Republican view of life and how their platform hasn’t changed and it’s still the same GOP that was around in dad’s time. And above all remember to keep attacking anything that even dares question something different.

rainjack · September 24, 2008, 2:26pm

[quote]RoadWarrior wrote:
rainjack wrote:
RoadWarrior wrote:
After the thrashing the current administation has handed the country, to talk of an Income Rredistribution/Economic Plan by either candidate is pure nonsense. Driving the country into massive debt over the first trillion dolars spent in Iraq (it is obviously more important to build schools over there while we close them here)and now watching the Republican administration push Socialism on the country through the BS bailout and another trillion dollars, there will be nothing left. The AIG bailout protected more money overseas than it did here.

China doesn’t need nuclear war to topple the USA, they only have to foreclose on the debt our current adminstration has financed with them. Thanks to Wall Street and our fine boys in DC. The USA is now United Socialist America.

Please elaborate on the “thrashing”. Maybe do it with some facts instead of dem talking points.

You sound like Pelosi.

You are right. The country is in a better place than it was 8 years ago. The war in Iraq has built our economy rich and strong. Education and healthcare in America are excellant. There is no problem with Wall Street and no need to convert the government to Socialism. Gas is cheaper and food is very affordable.

I am not necessarliy for Obama, but people can quit whining that he wants to turn the country in Socialism. The Republicans beat him to it.

But hey, you are right. Keep on your rose-colored glasses and you childlike attitude towards the Republican view of life and how their platform hasn’t changed and it’s still the same GOP that was around in dad’s time. And above all remember to keep attacking anything that even dares question something different.

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You were blaming Bush for all of this. I asked for some proof beyond dem talking points.

I guess that was just too much to ask, so you decided to go off on a republican bashing tangent.

Read some of my posts prior to the conventions. You will see that you have just made an idiot out of yourself.

Vegita · September 24, 2008, 2:34pm

[quote]rainjack wrote:
RoadWarrior wrote:
rainjack wrote:
RoadWarrior wrote:
After the thrashing the current administation has handed the country, to talk of an Income Rredistribution/Economic Plan by either candidate is pure nonsense. Driving the country into massive debt over the first trillion dolars spent in Iraq (it is obviously more important to build schools over there while we close them here)and now watching the Republican administration push Socialism on the country through the BS bailout and another trillion dollars, there will be nothing left. The AIG bailout protected more money overseas than it did here.

China doesn’t need nuclear war to topple the USA, they only have to foreclose on the debt our current adminstration has financed with them. Thanks to Wall Street and our fine boys in DC. The USA is now United Socialist America.

Please elaborate on the “thrashing”. Maybe do it with some facts instead of dem talking points.

You sound like Pelosi.

You are right. The country is in a better place than it was 8 years ago. The war in Iraq has built our economy rich and strong. Education and healthcare in America are excellant. There is no problem with Wall Street and no need to convert the government to Socialism. Gas is cheaper and food is very affordable.

I am not necessarliy for Obama, but people can quit whining that he wants to turn the country in Socialism. The Republicans beat him to it.

But hey, you are right. Keep on your rose-colored glasses and you childlike attitude towards the Republican view of life and how their platform hasn’t changed and it’s still the same GOP that was around in dad’s time. And above all remember to keep attacking anything that even dares question something different.

You were blaming Bush for all of this. I asked for some proof beyond dem talking points.

I guess that was just too much to ask, so you decided to go off on a republican bashing tangent.

Read some of my posts prior to the conventions. You will see that you have just made an idiot out of yourself.

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Just so Rainman knows i’m not a total dweeb nowadays. The current fiasco, has direct ties to the clinton administration. While nothing can be blamed 100% on anyone. Clinton went overboard when things were going good. He put pressure on the lending industry to reduce thier standards and make buying a home more affordable for lower income people.

This was the main factor in all the bad loans, people took his pressure to heart, and instead of finding rational ways to get what he wanted done accomplished, they just put them on the books and pretended the economy would keep them going. I’m not saying Clinton TOLD them to use shoddy lending practices, they screwed that up all on thier own, but he set the pressure to create the environment.

The current administration is to blame for destroying the dollar, which is the other half of the equation.

V

bald_eagle1 · September 24, 2008, 2:34pm

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
bald eagle wrote:

However, there have been more republicans willing to limit the growth of entitlements. But they get shot down and villified as cutting the benefits of the elderly. That is a fact. They convince the elderly that the evil republicans want to cut their checks. Just look at the reaction of partial privatization of social security.

As if the money I earn is theirs.

Hell yeah, fuck old people, it’s not like they paid into the system or anything. And obviously privatization of SS is a great idea with no drawbacks whatsoever, it’s not like the current crisis might…nevermind.[/quote]

Yep, that is exactly what I am saying. You got me.

Think a little more about how you responded and you will see how ridiculous it was.

RoadWarrior · September 24, 2008, 2:41pm

I am only stating the obvious. If the above is not enough proof than what is? That isn’t Republican bashing, it’s the truth. Although Bush will go down in history as the greatest lobbyist to ever represent corporate America in government. I have voted Republican far more time than possibly the once I may have voted Democrat.

That goes back before the Reagan era. I am highly disgusted with both parties. Never forget your biggest right as an American is the right to question. Never buy into anything and remember to always ask why.

AssOnGrass · September 24, 2008, 4:35pm

[quote]bald eagle wrote:
AssOnGrass wrote:
bald eagle wrote:
AssOnGrass wrote:
UB07 wrote:

53%? WOW, McCain is running a hell of a campaign. too bad he won’t govern worth shit. As has been stated many times, Obama plans a tax cut for about 95% of the population.

Americans “understand”? This presupposes that taxes WILL hurt the economy. The economy is a dynamic system, so with many variables we cannot conclude this necessarily. If the poll was worded this way then it is inherently bias.

This line about most credible economists is the same crap that FOX uses when they say “some people”.

i.e. “some people feel that Obama is a muslim”. That way they have no accountability (or integrity). For every economist you can name that is against Obama’s plan, there is one that is for it, so this is really a moot point.

Hows that trickle down bullshit working out for us? Take a look around. Our fundamentals are not strong. Where is our housing market? Stock market? Banking industry? Plenty of rich people aren’t even paying taxes, so dont just point the finger at the poor bastard that doesnt earn enough to owe the gov’t money.

I don’t understand how people can spout that it’s good to cut taxes for 95% of the people yet raise taxes for 5%.

Why not just go all the way and say lower taxes for 100%.

This is why I can’t stand either candidate personally. They are both reluctant to lower taxes significantly for EVERYONE to make a difference because it will raise the deficit. This is because they are too chicken shit to cut any of the real spending issues (social security and medicare being numbers 1 and 2).

McCain is just afraid of losing his health care and income at such an advanced age. (Note this was a joke)

You know what happens to a Republican when they even mention slowing the rate of increase of any entitlement - the dems and willing media pummel them with the old line -

They are cutting your social security and you will be forced to choose between food and medicine. And perhaps that food will be Alpo.

You are villified like some common criminal for wanting to slow the rate of growth.

WAH! WAH! WAH! It’s liberal media’s fault the GOP sucks now. They’re trying but the dems wont let them!

Get real, the GOP is doing exactly what it wants to do. No one is forcing them to become “Democrat Lites”

Why did the GOP marginalize Paul? Because they were afraid of the dems and the liberal media? I think not.

Look at the crap Giulliani and Fox news was spitting at Paul because he went out of the new bigger government philosophy the GOP has adopted.

The GOP has strayed far from their old ideals. It’s horse shit on both sides of the fence.

No, that is not what I am saying. I don’t disagree that the Republicans have become in some respect Democrat Lites.

However, there have been more republicans willing to limit the growth of entitlements. But they get shot down and villified as cutting the benefits of the elderly. That is a fact. They convince the elderly that the evil republicans want to cut their checks. Just look at the reaction of partial privatization of social security.

As if the money I earn is theirs.

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OK I’m following you now.

bald_eagle1 · September 24, 2008, 5:31pm

[quote]AssOnGrass wrote:
bald eagle wrote:
AssOnGrass wrote:
bald eagle wrote:
AssOnGrass wrote:
UB07 wrote: