I suppose you could do a yearly run rate for Obama, which would be roughly 32 so his estimated 2nd term would be 112 for an 8 year total of 259. It’s still just a guess.
Oh, you negative nancies do so love your slippery slope fallacies and what-not.
- Unless all arms are taken from citizens, our right to keep and bear arms has not been infringed.
- This is unenforceable? Should that matter? Do we legalize raping and murdering infants because such crimes could possibly fly under the radar?
- Try to have some faith.
- President Obama’s father is from Africa, so please stop with this barely-veiled racism.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
Oh, you negative nancies do so love your slippery slope fallacies and what-not.
- Unless all arms are taken from citizens, our right to keep and bear arms has not been infringed.
- This is unenforceable? Should that matter? Do we legalize raping and murdering infants because such crimes could possibly fly under the radar?
- Try to have some faith.[/quote]
This whole thing just cracks me up. I bought a handgun at a gun show the year I got our of the Marine Corps with an honorable discharge (and had just received a good conduct medal). I still had to wait the 7 days or whatever it was for the background check to go through…, but we need more and better background checks? Who the fuck is getting around these checks?
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Who was it that said there were statistics…then there were DAMN statistics?
(Or something like that…!)
Mufasa[/quote]
“There are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics”
Mark Twain
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
Oh, you negative nancies do so love your slippery slope fallacies and what-not.
- Unless all arms are taken from citizens, our right to keep and bear arms has not been infringed.
- This is unenforceable? Should that matter? Do we legalize raping and murdering infants because such crimes could possibly fly under the radar?
- Try to have some faith.[/quote]
This whole thing just cracks me up. I bought a handgun at a gun show the year I got our of the Marine Corps with an honorable discharge (and had just received a good conduct medal). I still had to wait the 7 days or whatever it was for the background check to go through…, but we need more and better background checks? Who the fuck is getting around these checks?
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A big part of that order seems to be focused on disqualifying potential owners, not people circumventing the checks. At least thats how I read it.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
Oh, you negative nancies do so love your slippery slope fallacies and what-not.
- Unless all arms are taken from citizens, our right to keep and bear arms has not been infringed.
- This is unenforceable? Should that matter? Do we legalize raping and murdering infants because such crimes could possibly fly under the radar?
- Try to have some faith.[/quote]
This whole thing just cracks me up. I bought a handgun at a gun show the year I got our of the Marine Corps with an honorable discharge (and had just received a good conduct medal). I still had to wait the 7 days or whatever it was for the background check to go through…, but we need more and better background checks? Who the fuck is getting around these checks?
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Well, a senior citizen could be getting rid of much of his large collection, put up a sign in his yard advertising as much, and then sell you a gun without checking your background, criminal history, or even verifying that you are legally permitted to possess a firearm.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
Oh, you negative nancies do so love your slippery slope fallacies and what-not.
- Unless all arms are taken from citizens, our right to keep and bear arms has not been infringed.
- This is unenforceable? Should that matter? Do we legalize raping and murdering infants because such crimes could possibly fly under the radar?
- Try to have some faith.[/quote]
This whole thing just cracks me up. I bought a handgun at a gun show the year I got our of the Marine Corps with an honorable discharge (and had just received a good conduct medal). I still had to wait the 7 days or whatever it was for the background check to go through…, but we need more and better background checks? Who the fuck is getting around these checks?
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Well, a senior citizen could be getting rid of much of his large collection, put up a sign in his yard advertising as much, and then sell you a gun without checking your background, criminal history, or even verifying that you are legally permitted to possess a firearm.
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I’m sure that senior citizens is real worried about jail time.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Who was it that said there were statistics…then there were DAMN statistics?
(Or something like that…!)
Mufasa[/quote]
“There are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics”
Mark Twain[/quote]
Thanks, Zeb!
Mufasa
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
These things always…and I mean ALWAYS have the opposite intended effect…
Criminals will continue to do their thing, and get weapons whenever and from whomever…
“Law-Abiding” Citizens will do the same…while stockpiling even MORE weapons…
It all becomes symbolic posturing.
Mufasa[/quote]
Mufasa
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
Oh, you negative nancies do so love your slippery slope fallacies and what-not.
- Unless all arms are taken from citizens, our right to keep and bear arms has not been infringed.
- This is unenforceable? Should that matter? Do we legalize raping and murdering infants because such crimes could possibly fly under the radar?
- Try to have some faith.[/quote]
This whole thing just cracks me up. I bought a handgun at a gun show the year I got our of the Marine Corps with an honorable discharge (and had just received a good conduct medal). I still had to wait the 7 days or whatever it was for the background check to go through…, but we need more and better background checks? Who the fuck is getting around these checks?
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Well, a senior citizen could be getting rid of much of his large collection, put up a sign in his yard advertising as much, and then sell you a gun without checking your background, criminal history, or even verifying that you are legally permitted to possess a firearm.
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I’m sure that senior citizens is real worried about jail time. [/quote]
Please refer to Number 2 above.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
Oh, you negative nancies do so love your slippery slope fallacies and what-not.
- Unless all arms are taken from citizens, our right to keep and bear arms has not been infringed.
- This is unenforceable? Should that matter? Do we legalize raping and murdering infants because such crimes could possibly fly under the radar?
- Try to have some faith.[/quote]
This whole thing just cracks me up. I bought a handgun at a gun show the year I got our of the Marine Corps with an honorable discharge (and had just received a good conduct medal). I still had to wait the 7 days or whatever it was for the background check to go through…, but we need more and better background checks? Who the fuck is getting around these checks?
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Well, a senior citizen could be getting rid of much of his large collection, put up a sign in his yard advertising as much, and then sell you a gun without checking your background, criminal history, or even verifying that you are legally permitted to possess a firearm.
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Man…I picked a good day to join the forum! And I picked a fun first topic to chime in on too! If a senior citizen is getting rid of his large collection of guns and wants to put up a yard sign saying he/she is selling their guns then yes, every purchase should go through a background check. If not, here is what COULD happen: A criminal buys the gun and kills seven people. The gun is found at the scene and it is traced back to the senior who does not have a bill of sale or proof of a background check on the sale via an FFL. The senior goes to jail because they conducted what is called a “straw purchase”. Happens all the time (sans jail time). No amount of gun control is ever going to stop these straw purchases whether conducted in a front yard, at a gun show, in a WalMart parking lot or in a crack house.
BUT…maybe…JUST MAYBE…cracking down on ONE of these straw purchases may save your kid, your wife, your husband, your mom, your dad, or YOU. Maybe. Just maybe. None of what was proposed violates ANY constitutional law…none. Yeah, it may mean that if you go to a gun show you have to buy the gun through an FFL but don’t you WANT that? You could be buying a gun that was used in a crime. Do you really want that drama in your life? I wouldn’t think so. And seriously…a background check takes what, three minutes?
My bottom line, no, we will never stop murder in this country (or any for that matter). Everyone has stats that will say one thing and someone has stats that say another or one argument will be deemed invalid on the basis of another opinion but seriously, nothing proposed will infringe on anyone’s rights. If you disagree I would suggest you come to the table with the constitution in hand and show us how it violates the 2nd Amendment or any other amendment. We should be more worried about Obama’s drone strikes where 80% of those killed are innocent civilians or how he no longer supports whistle blowers as he “hoped” and “promised” he would.
Quick FYI, I am a gun guy. Have many. Some are heirlooms that will be in my family forever, others are brand new, others I carry with me everyday. So, please refrain from saying I don’t know anything about guns as they are a big part of my life.
Now, creatine…how long should I use it? I’m just re-starting it and in the loading phase (yeah I buy the cheap stuff that you have to go through a loading phase) and it along with Vitargo and BCAAs have proven effective in the past. 
[quote]MikeyLikey wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
Oh, you negative nancies do so love your slippery slope fallacies and what-not.
- Unless all arms are taken from citizens, our right to keep and bear arms has not been infringed.
- This is unenforceable? Should that matter? Do we legalize raping and murdering infants because such crimes could possibly fly under the radar?
- Try to have some faith.[/quote]
This whole thing just cracks me up. I bought a handgun at a gun show the year I got our of the Marine Corps with an honorable discharge (and had just received a good conduct medal). I still had to wait the 7 days or whatever it was for the background check to go through…, but we need more and better background checks? Who the fuck is getting around these checks?
[/quote]
Well, a senior citizen could be getting rid of much of his large collection, put up a sign in his yard advertising as much, and then sell you a gun without checking your background, criminal history, or even verifying that you are legally permitted to possess a firearm.
[/quote]
Man…I picked a good day to join the forum! And I picked a fun first topic to chime in on too! If a senior citizen is getting rid of his large collection of guns and wants to put up a yard sign saying he/she is selling their guns then yes, every purchase should go through a background check. If not, here is what COULD happen: A criminal buys the gun and kills seven people. The gun is found at the scene and it is traced back to the senior who does not have a bill of sale or proof of a background check on the sale via an FFL. The senior goes to jail because they conducted what is called a “straw purchase”. Happens all the time (sans jail time). No amount of gun control is ever going to stop these straw purchases whether conducted in a front yard, at a gun show, in a WalMart parking lot or in a crack house.
BUT…maybe…JUST MAYBE…cracking down on ONE of these straw purchases may save your kid, your wife, your husband, your mom, your dad, or YOU. Maybe. Just maybe. None of what was proposed violates ANY constitutional law…none. Yeah, it may mean that if you go to a gun show you have to buy the gun through an FFL but don’t you WANT that? You could be buying a gun that was used in a crime. Do you really want that drama in your life? I wouldn’t think so. And seriously…a background check takes what, three minutes?
My bottom line, no, we will never stop murder in this country (or any for that matter). Everyone has stats that will say one thing and someone has stats that say another or one argument will be deemed invalid on the basis of another opinion but seriously, nothing proposed will infringe on anyone’s rights. If you disagree I would suggest you come to the table with the constitution in hand and show us how it violates the 2nd Amendment or any other amendment. We should be more worried about Obama’s drone strikes where 80% of those killed are innocent civilians or how he no longer supports whistle blowers as he “hoped” and “promised” he would.
Quick FYI, I am a gun guy. Have many. Some are heirlooms that will be in my family forever, others are brand new, others I carry with me everyday. So, please refrain from saying I don’t know anything about guns as they are a big part of my life.
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No. (Unless this was a joke post like mine; if so, well done.)
Edit/Addition: The senior citizen in your scenario did NOT make a straw purchase. You are asking me to believe that he would be able to convince authorities that he did not kill seven people, but he would be unable to convince them that he did not make a straw purchase? I think that, despite your “gun guy” knowledge, you do not know what a straw purchase is.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Who was it that said there were statistics…then there were DAMN statistics?
(Or something like that…!)
Mufasa[/quote]
“There are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics”
Mark Twain[/quote]
Thanks, Zeb!
Mufasa
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You are very welcome my friend.
[quote]MikeyLikey wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]NickViar wrote:
Oh, you negative nancies do so love your slippery slope fallacies and what-not.
- Unless all arms are taken from citizens, our right to keep and bear arms has not been infringed.
- This is unenforceable? Should that matter? Do we legalize raping and murdering infants because such crimes could possibly fly under the radar?
- Try to have some faith.[/quote]
This whole thing just cracks me up. I bought a handgun at a gun show the year I got our of the Marine Corps with an honorable discharge (and had just received a good conduct medal). I still had to wait the 7 days or whatever it was for the background check to go through…, but we need more and better background checks? Who the fuck is getting around these checks?
[/quote]
Well, a senior citizen could be getting rid of much of his large collection, put up a sign in his yard advertising as much, and then sell you a gun without checking your background, criminal history, or even verifying that you are legally permitted to possess a firearm.
[/quote]
Man…I picked a good day to join the forum! And I picked a fun first topic to chime in on too! If a senior citizen is getting rid of his large collection of guns and wants to put up a yard sign saying he/she is selling their guns then yes, every purchase should go through a background check. If not, here is what COULD happen: A criminal buys the gun and kills seven people. The gun is found at the scene and it is traced back to the senior who does not have a bill of sale or proof of a background check on the sale via an FFL. The senior goes to jail because they conducted what is called a “straw purchase”. Happens all the time (sans jail time). No amount of gun control is ever going to stop these straw purchases whether conducted in a front yard, at a gun show, in a WalMart parking lot or in a crack house.
BUT…maybe…JUST MAYBE…cracking down on ONE of these straw purchases may save your kid, your wife, your husband, your mom, your dad, or YOU. Maybe. Just maybe. None of what was proposed violates ANY constitutional law…none. Yeah, it may mean that if you go to a gun show you have to buy the gun through an FFL but don’t you WANT that? You could be buying a gun that was used in a crime. Do you really want that drama in your life? I wouldn’t think so. And seriously…a background check takes what, three minutes?
My bottom line, no, we will never stop murder in this country (or any for that matter). Everyone has stats that will say one thing and someone has stats that say another or one argument will be deemed invalid on the basis of another opinion but seriously, nothing proposed will infringe on anyone’s rights. If you disagree I would suggest you come to the table with the constitution in hand and show us how it violates the 2nd Amendment or any other amendment. We should be more worried about Obama’s drone strikes where 80% of those killed are innocent civilians or how he no longer supports whistle blowers as he “hoped” and “promised” he would.
Quick FYI, I am a gun guy. Have many. Some are heirlooms that will be in my family forever, others are brand new, others I carry with me everyday. So, please refrain from saying I don’t know anything about guns as they are a big part of my life.
Now, creatine…how long should I use it? I’m just re-starting it and in the loading phase (yeah I buy the cheap stuff that you have to go through a loading phase) and it along with Vitargo and BCAAs have proven effective in the past.
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It becomes a slippery slope when you talk about “if we can save one life.” You could use that for nearly any policy.
Welcome to T-Nation, it should take no time until someone says your full of shit, it’s practically a right of passage.
Everything he said was sensible and in line with what Republicans would have been saying twenty years ago. Even LaPierre said these very same things before.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Then frame it as a Congressional/Supreme Court issue…not an “Obama one”.
(In fact; my understanding is that other Presidents have used Executive Orders far more than this one).
Mufasa[/quote]
Volume of executive orders isn’t a measure of misuse of them. If a President issues one executive order but itvwas to nationalize banks, that President would have engaged in the worst overreach in American history through executive orders, even if he issued only the one.
Other Presidents have misused them, but Obama is in an infamous class all his own, and he has set a dangerous precedent through this nonsense.
There is no “hey, everybody kind of does it” defense of Obama. His approach defied basic American civics, but most importantly is Exhibit A in demonstrating his tremendous lack of leadership. Great presidents don’t have to over-rely and misuse executive orders to accomplish their goals. As a result, such use of executive orders is a sign of weakness in a president, not strength.
He is, simply put, a failed leader, and this executive order is the final proof of it.
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