Cut off the ability to make money, and they will leave. No benefits, welfare, schooling, citizenship, etc, and you will solve the problem by a few strokes of a pen and not spend a penny.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I didn’t see them manage swine flu all that well. They make no distinction between coming here legally or illegally, to them, its a matter of getting over a fence. [/quote]
Not true at all. I know plenty of Mexicans who have followed the legal process. My wife’s grandparents have residency in the US for instance. Friends of mine own a huge ranch in Austin (which they pay plenty of tax on and also employ Americans to maintain.)
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Not to mention, the argument still stands. There are more people legally in the US from Mexico than there are in Mexico from the US. And our healthcare is still better.[/quote]
And the ones that are there legally are paying taxes for the most part and therefore contributing.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Not true at all. I know plenty of Mexicans who have followed the legal process. My wife’s grandparents have residency in the US for instance. Friends of mine own a huge ranch in Austin (which they pay plenty of tax on and also employ Americans to maintain.)
Oh, ok.
Then clearly illegal Mexican immigration into the US isn’t really a problem.
After all, you know “plenty” who have followed the legal process.
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Who yanked your chain? That is not what we are talking about, we are talking about whether people there legally should be covered, nothing to do with illegals. Try to keep up!
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Who yanked your chain? That is not what we are talking about, we are talking about whether people there legally should be covered, nothing to do with illegals. Try to keep up![/quote]
Well, not even citizens should be covered. Think you have a hard time finding an individual right to keep and bear arms in our constitution? Try to find the right to a public option.
[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
I didn’t see them manage swine flu all that well. They make no distinction between coming here legally or illegally, to them, its a matter of getting over a fence.
Not true at all. I know plenty of Mexicans who have followed the legal process. My wife’s grandparents have residency in the US for instance. Friends of mine own a huge ranch in Austin (which they pay plenty of tax on and also employ Americans to maintain.)[/quote]
Your version of “plenty” are limited to a handful of people. Tell you what, come here to LA, and I will take you on a drive to places like Van Nuys, North Hollywood, and East LA. Places where they “solo habla espanol.” For the alleged taxes they pay, they cost nearly 10 times that when you add emergency healthcare, schooling, welfare, government assistance, and incarceration.
Dude I think you ate the worm, and you NEVER eat the worm.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
I didn’t see them manage swine flu all that well. They make no distinction between coming here legally or illegally, to them, its a matter of getting over a fence.
Not true at all. I know plenty of Mexicans who have followed the legal process. My wife’s grandparents have residency in the US for instance. Friends of mine own a huge ranch in Austin (which they pay plenty of tax on and also employ Americans to maintain.)
Your version of “plenty” are limited to a handful of people. Tell you what, come here to LA, and I will take you on a drive to places like Van Nuys, North Hollywood, and East LA. Places where they “solo habla espanol.” For the alleged taxes they pay, they cost nearly 10 times that when you add emergency healthcare, schooling, welfare, government assistance, and incarceration.
Dude I think you ate the worm, and you NEVER eat the worm. [/quote]
The version of Mexico he deals with is unlikely to be the mestizo/indio version.
We have essentially two countries living in one at this point and one is paying for the other to the tune of 3 tax dollars for every tax dollar they put in. Legalizing them gets us nothing - they will never make enough to pay federal income taxes because they don’t earn enough. We, on the other hand, will continue to pay for the social security for their grandparents they bring here under family re-unification as well as their free medical care and welfare. Legalizing them will do nothing to stop them from going to the ER or collecting welfare.
All that happens when they move in is that the whites and blacks get pushed out, usually at gunpoint because of the gangs they form. Sooner or later, there will be no more “out” to get pushed into, and then everyone will grab their rifles and settle things the hard way. People are already soooooo pissed off right now for the economy and the federal power grab that adding 40-50 million hostile foreign people here will likely set off a powder keg.
They are not going to suddenly start loving America or Americans because we give them amnesty.
Explain to me how the fuck an illegal can get welfare.
I mean really I hear this paper thin argument alot and everyone says, O NO I SEE IT HAPPEN.
You know how much paper work you need to get welfare? More than a fucking a cabbage patch doll has, that’s for sure.
[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
collecting welfare.
Explain to me how the fuck an illegal can get welfare.
I mean really I hear this paper thin argument alot and everyone says, O NO I SEE IT HAPPEN.
You know how much paper work you need to get welfare? More than a fucking a cabbage patch doll has, that’s for sure.[/quote]
Their kids get the welfare, to the tune of 48 million in the month of June in 2009. Yes that’s just 1 month’s worth. That price tag is just in Los Angeles County. Yes just 1 county, not a national or even a state figure, but a measly county.
http://antonovich.co.la.ca.us/Pages/Press%20Releases/09/August/Welfare%20costs%20081109.html
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
collecting welfare.
Explain to me how the fuck an illegal can get welfare.
I mean really I hear this paper thin argument alot and everyone says, O NO I SEE IT HAPPEN.
You know how much paper work you need to get welfare? More than a fucking a cabbage patch doll has, that’s for sure.
Their kids get the welfare, to the tune of 48 million in the month of June in 2009. Yes that’s just 1 month’s worth. That price tag is just in Los Angeles County. Yes just 1 county, not a national or even a state figure, but a measly county.
http://antonovich.co.la.ca.us/Pages/Press%20Releases/09/August/Welfare%20costs%20081109.html
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Exactly. My wife did part of her dietetic internship at a WIC center and it was a bunch of Mexicans coming in for freebies. When they want more money, they just have more kids.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Who yanked your chain? That is not what we are talking about, we are talking about whether people there legally should be covered, nothing to do with illegals. Try to keep up!
Well, not even citizens should be covered. Think you have a hard time finding an individual right to keep and bear arms in our constitution? Try to find the right to a public option.[/quote]
I don’t think it is a right I just go along with the quote (can’t remember who it was) that a society should be judged by how it treats its least well off members.
The NHS has plenty of issues in the UK however I do think it is something that the country can be proud of.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
I didn’t see them manage swine flu all that well. They make no distinction between coming here legally or illegally, to them, its a matter of getting over a fence.
Not true at all. I know plenty of Mexicans who have followed the legal process. My wife’s grandparents have residency in the US for instance. Friends of mine own a huge ranch in Austin (which they pay plenty of tax on and also employ Americans to maintain.)
Your version of “plenty” are limited to a handful of people. Tell you what, come here to LA, and I will take you on a drive to places like Van Nuys, North Hollywood, and East LA. Places where they “solo habla espanol.” For the alleged taxes they pay, they cost nearly 10 times that when you add emergency healthcare, schooling, welfare, government assistance, and incarceration.
Dude I think you ate the worm, and you NEVER eat the worm. [/quote]
Again, are we talking legals or illegals?
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Chushin wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Not true at all. I know plenty of Mexicans who have followed the legal process. My wife’s grandparents have residency in the US for instance. Friends of mine own a huge ranch in Austin (which they pay plenty of tax on and also employ Americans to maintain.)
Oh, ok.
Then clearly illegal Mexican immigration into the US isn’t really a problem.
After all, you know “plenty” who have followed the legal process.
Who yanked your chain? That is not what we are talking about, we are talking about whether people there legally should be covered, nothing to do with illegals. Try to keep up!
Who yanked my chain? Lol. Aren’t you the rough and tough condescending dickhead. I think that purple belt has gone to your tea-soaked head there, sport.
I’ll comment on your odorous bullshit statements any time I damn well please. Comprende?
And if you don’t want to discuss the illegals, don’t bring them up, Dilbert. But lots of other folks here have the common sense to know they are an integral part of this issue.
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It is an open forum, feel free to comment however try to read the posts first, it helps you avoide looking like a prat.
We are talking about legals not illegals.