A lof of your post and smh’s following it is demagoguing and branding from the left, and not reality.[/quote]
Eh, I think there’s a lot to be said about the right wing’s political missteps during this election. If you looked at the economic data over the last four years and were forced to make a 2012 Presidential race prediction based on those indicators alone, you’d think that the incumbent would be in pretty serious trouble. Part of last night’s results are explained by a febrile cult of Obamania among the President’s supporters, a viciously effective and uncomfortably negative reelection campaign (especially in Ohio), and a media that was unusually willing to cheer-lead in the open.
But part of it falls on the right-wing extremists (again, a plurality of Republican primary voters believed that Obama wasn’t born in the US) whose demands for ideological purity pushed Mitt Romney to make some seriously damaging statements in the primary season and who sent up absolutely terrible candidates like Todd Akin.[/quote]
I don’t disagree with your post, but this speaks to the brilliance of the lefty machine as well as the republican’s inability to keep up.
If I can find the video I will post it from PJTV. Basically the person Akin ran against painted everyone but him as moderates, knowing how badly the electorate wanted a conseravtive. Akin was the weakest canidate and he was picked. (Something like that… Anyway) Point being the Dem was thinking ahead and basically got Akin nominated. The man is a dumbass and should have just withdrawn been rejected by the party, his bone head statement cost him his politcal life.
I’ve said it a couple times now. The Dems get branding, and know how to spin much better than the Rep’s.
But yes, I do blame the republicans for this loss, very much so.
the fact that you took my post as rude and classless is beyond belief. your response on the other hand was both classless and childlike. I merely pointed out why I think your side lost a winnable race, if you want to read something insulting into that be my guest. if you read my posts from several months ago you know I don’t usually hold my tongue, so you may be reading a wee bit too much into what I said.[/quote]
Don’t be so hard on the guy. he is just butthurt right now cause he believed all the bubble-talk about how Romney was going to win (possibly in a landslide). He is a bit taken aback right now and shocked, I assume. I’m sure he is a nice enough guy when he is not on the defensive.
Also, I have read that since Obama will not have to get re-elected he can “be himself”. Here is a good example:
So, some of Obama’s big backers are now excited at the prospect of Obama, with electoral immunity, being an unalloyed liberal ready to fight for causes he believes in, as in “be himself”.
Ok. First things first - I am okay with that. Let him. In the long run, that will be helpful - and it will help us all have an honest debate over policy.
Second, that is a tacit admission that Obama is an unalloyed liberal who has simply been constrained by the electoral reality that unalloyed liberals who run as unalloyed liberals don’t win. Ok, fine, but isn’t that what his critics have said all along?
[quote]Legionary wrote:<<< a holder of a PhD in History who also happens to be a devout Christian and ordained Baptist minister.[/quote]Forgive me man, but a cereal box is more reliable than many people allegedly educated in history and being ordained means almost nothing anymore. In fact, you may think I’m blaming the non Christian citizenry of this nation for her ills. No sir. The CHURCH, who has forsaken the very gospel that was utterly mainstream in the 18th and 19th centuries here, the one I preach, has been seduced by every imaginable form of compromise modernistic heresy and immorality. WE are the salt and the light of the earth. Jesus said so. He also said that if the salt loses it’s saltiness it is useless. Salt is a metaphor for preserving from rot. We have lost our saltiness. With continued civility and respect, the fact you and dozens of others here call just about anything Christian demonstrates my point. I’m not being sarcastic. “Christian” meant something then that just everybody agreed on in the essentials. The essentials that I talk about here every day. I’m simply what they were. Ya’ll are the weird ones by the standard of our early history. I’m not being a jackass man. That is the truth though.
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Yes, a PhD holder who has published a plethora of academic work on Christianity in America and is incredibly involved in ministry is surely not credible. Not to mention his professional expertise as a Intelligence Analyst both in the military and the Central Intelligence Agency, as well as numerous postings as an American Ambassador. You obviously come out on top with your divinely revealed knowledge of scripture in spite of of such incredibly rigorous training and professional experience.[/quote]That’s entirely possible. “Incredibly rigorous training and professional experience” prove nothing in these kinds of topics by themselves. None of that necessarily gets me excited and ministry means what? The worst enemies of the gospel today are ministers allegedly of it. I’m only being honest. Bring him here. I’d be happy to talk to him. However, I don’t have any unique extra sanctified “divinely revealed knowledge of scripture”. I simply see what millions of other historic Christians have and do see there.
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Ummm they really, really do. I’m sure you also think your knowledge surpasses his own concerning foreign affairs and the national security apparatus due to the “ton of studying on your own.” I just read the wiki-page on theoretical physics. I’m ready for Steven Hawking now.
[/quote]Ummm, but they really don’t. I’m ready for Stephen Hawking even if I never heard of theoretical physics. You really do not pay attention. I’ll debate Him, Dawkins, Dennet, Miller, Nye and any 5 other guys you find along with everybody on this site at the same time, have them all cornered and never have to discuss anything beyond 2+2 equaling 4. Not because I’m the most invincible intellect ever to be spawned from father Adam. Not at all.
My position has been authored in eternity by an all wise all knowing God who has equipped me to present and defend it. I do and I will. The results are His problem. Mine is to obey Him. If he uses me to save some then I am most humbly grateful indeed for having been of service to Him. If NOBODY listens? I am most humbly grateful indeed and bow before Him in adoring worship that He has counted me among His own and blessed me with gifts to do His will.
Your scholars, while surely brilliant and highly capable fellers, have almost to a man never once considered the foundations of thought itself. Especially their own. I see it in the bible and everywhere else. Including here. A tattooed, scarred, former junkie and 10th grade dropout + the most high God = victory for His name’s sake. Whether you or your academics like it or not. Please start reading at verse 18 to the end of the chapter. 1 Corinthians 1 ESV
I know your boy won and all, and congrats for that, but you need to check nuts coming in here showboating when you NEVER come in to contribute anything of your own.
I understand that your Kotex got moist after last night’s victory, but seriously you are talking to people in here like they got no nuts. I like to think most of us have a civil discourse among each other, with some shit talking on the side, but you have not been here but a minute, arriving AFTER La Bamba won, you have not earned the woof-woof you’re shovelin’.
This is not the V-diet forum, and I am happy you lost weight and no longer sweat margarine, but you need to show more courtesy than you are.
You would be more impressive showing humility in your victory, not sure how much of a win it is for you since your hood went Obama by 95%.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
And for any of you drive-by superheroes who may feel I’m just being bitter, an quick read through the threads will reveal that I and, as far as I know all of the PWI regulars have remained very civil and even friendly to each other, even when we occupy completely different quadrants of the political grid.
I have no respect for anyone who comes here with their chin in the air, gloating at members who’ve spent literally thousands of posts engaged in actual arguments and managed to maintain more poise and civility over half a years worth of discussion than you could muster in a single drunken paragraph.
Go back to GAL or whatever crevice it was you scuttered out of. [/quote]
I believe PWI Drive-by Syndrome is indicative of how the election was decided at the national scale. Think about it. The same folks who stop by here and dispense with all their “heavy thinking” pretty much only on the day after the election display their intellectual mettle in like fashion at the polls.
It’s revealing. Not a whole lot of water in their pools. Then again, a kiddie pool is what they had built.[/quote]
I was thinking the same thing Push. I can count perhaps 5 posters of the liberal persuasion that we never see in here. When pushed on an issue they run and hide only to show their faces when the coast is clear and it’s time once more to play the part of the village idiot and gloat.
There is indeed a sad display of part-time cowards posting today. Honestly, I hope they grow a pair of balls and stick around.
the fact that you took my post as rude and classless is beyond belief. your response on the other hand was both classless and childlike. I merely pointed out why I think your side lost a winnable race, if you want to read something insulting into that be my guest. if you read my posts from several months ago you know I don’t usually hold my tongue, so you may be reading a wee bit too much into what I said.[/quote]
Don’t be so hard on the guy. he is just butthurt right now cause he believed all the bubble-talk about how Romney was going to win (possibly in a landslide). He is a bit taken aback right now and shocked, [/quote]
Hold on now, I mean the thing VT said about obstructionism instead of bipartisanism when a Republican was talking about how he opposed another Republican was dumb, but it’s not like he has to earn the right to say it from you guys.
I’m sure I haven’t “earned” shit either. But here I go posting in the thread anyway. Because you don’t have to prove yourself to a bunch of random people to post on a forum. Welcome to the internet.
That said I was surprised VT was a dem. Strong people are usually conservative. Maybe they inject the people in D.C. with something though I dunno.
Usually strong people are Republican, strong people also know there are always bigger fish. Strong people also don’t think they’re strong, it’s called humility.
Csulli- you also didn’t come in here huffing and puffing. I have no issue with a differen opinion, but I think you should pay the freight on your shit talking.
Now this is what I’m talking about. In the Obama victory thread some serious Republican butthurt. I’m only saddened because I think the Obama loss butthurt would have been even better (not on this forum, but another I frequent), but keep it up guys who are losing your mind over Obama’s victory in the Obama Victory thread.
The sad thing is reach out to Libertarians and Ron Paul supporters and the turnout in swing states might have given Romney the election. Instead the middle finger came out to those guys and none of them went your way.
So the GOP and Fox News are evil, racist horrible people?
How bout Chris Matthews and the ever so unbiased MSNBC crew wrapping up their coverage with Matthews expressing his happiness that Hurricane Sandy destroyed the East coast, and gave their guy the edge he needed.
Some of the downward market slide can be attributed to Elizabeth Warren being elected. She will most likely strengthen the Consumer Protection Agency. She wants to reinstate glass stegal and get the commerical banks out of the domain of investment banking. Forbes magazine was arguing that the bank lobbies went after her during the election like crazy through financial support to the Republican candidate.
the fact that you took my post as rude and classless is beyond belief. your response on the other hand was both classless and childlike. I merely pointed out why I think your side lost a winnable race, if you want to read something insulting into that be my guest. if you read my posts from several months ago you know I don’t usually hold my tongue, so you may be reading a wee bit too much into what I said.[/quote]
Don’t be so hard on the guy. he is just butthurt right now cause he believed all the bubble-talk about how Romney was going to win (possibly in a landslide). He is a bit taken aback right now and shocked, I assume. I’m sure he is a nice enough guy when he is not on the defensive. [/quote]
VT,
I will take that into account, I do believe however that their tone would not be so calm and controlled had their gentleman won. If they refuse to adapt to the changing demographics of this country GOP voters will have a lot in common with Cubs fans.
