[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:
…but seriously, its just the same “socialism, anti-second ammendment, steal from the rich give to the lazy, abortion, homosexuality, higher taxes on the upper class, strategy of appeasement”. text that every other like-minded conservative has been filling this board with.[/quote]
Okay, so some questions…
Progressive taxation… good or bad?
You actually believe Obama espouses appeasement?
The president needs a homosexuality policy?
Do you think the second amendment will ever be repealed?
Would the country be better off with less poverty?
I know the ideologies of the left and right differ. I also know that at the basis the policies of both have arguable merits. For example, reducing poverty would probably reduce the costs associated with crime, drugs and prisons. At the same time, entitlement and encouraging the lazy is simply a stupid thing to do.
When I see people panicked about either candidate I tend to think there is a bit of kool-aid swilling going on.
[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
This should make the news. Obama will probably win Harlem by 99.99% and these are some of the idiots who will be voting for him there:
Haha! That’s some funny shit. Although come on, it would not be too hard to do the exact thing to McCain supporters too, or white Obama suppoerters for that matter.
[quote]GCF wrote:
phil_leotardo wrote:
This should make the news. Obama will probably win Harlem by 99.99% and these are some of the idiots who will be voting for him there:
Haha! That’s some funny shit. Although come on, it would not be too hard to do the exact thing to McCain supporters too, or white Obama suppoerters for that matter.
It’s a prank a funny one but that’s it. [/quote]
i agree. many, many voters vote a certain way regardless of the candidates stance on an issue. my older relatives are staunch democrats, have been for generations. however issue for issue they are conservative, and really sound more like republicans, especially in regards to things like gay rights, abortion, etc.
Only people with a high school diploma should be allowed to vote. If that doesn’t work, only those who own property (real estate) and have a high school diploma should be allowed to vote.
We have GOT to stop letting hobos, ACORN bums, and homeless derelicts from destroying this country.
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Are you kidding me ?
So what you are advocating is people without a high school diploma, who work and pay taxes, can’t vote ?
And those with a high school diploma that live in apartments, can’t vote ?
I think those views are the reason these people are ALLOWED to vote !
Hobos and homeless are destroying this country on their own ? I wonder how many of them are war veterans ? And how many maxed out credit cards do you think they have ?
The amount of breath wasted on a candidates religion and family life are staggering. In most other countries, campaigning on a religious platform would cost you votes, while in America an individual’s ability to lead is somehow determined by his faith.
Who gives a fuck if Obama is Muslim (which he isn’t)? Seriously, I love you Americans, but pull your heads out of your asses.
Democracy isn’t the end all, be all. A tyranny of the majority is still a tyranny. What good is a democracy when it leads to citizens turning the government upon on their fellow citizen’s paychecks, so they might recieve some of the loot in the form of a government check.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Standard Donkey wrote:
…but seriously, its just the same “socialism, anti-second ammendment, steal from the rich give to the lazy, abortion, homosexuality, higher taxes on the upper class, strategy of appeasement”. text that every other like-minded conservative has been filling this board with.
Okay, so some questions…
Progressive taxation… good or bad?
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progressive anything is bad…duh…sincerely.
when he has the chance to, i believe he will
This is actually a good question…im going to go with no, but considering the fact that he does, despite the fact that he shouldn’t.
probably not
of course, shouldn’t health care be free? well of course…in a perfect world, but we must ask ourselves what is the real cost…the term “free” is such a non-word…
sometimes we have to come back to reality.
having the liberals stop coddling the criminals would reduce crime rate…that’s the only thing i can think of.
Well, isn’t America the shining bastion of freedom and democracy?
Next you’ll tell me he doesn’t believe in motherhood or apple pie either![/quote]
Democracy and freedom are two different concepts. Is a farmer who toils in the field and has no one ever tell him what to do or takes his labor not free? By the same token, how free was the Iraqi citizen who voted for Saddam in the 90’s? We have this disease of egalitarianism in this country that is the direct enemy of liberty. Near universal democracy will take us down the road of ruin and it is the result of our love with egalitarianism. At this point we may as well allow children to vote. Why don’t we? Because they’re kids who aren’t knowledgeable nor trustworthy to vote responsibly. Why then do we let adults who have no idea what they’re voting for step into the ballot box?
Only people with a high school diploma should be allowed to vote. If that doesn’t work, only those who own property (real estate) and have a high school diploma should be allowed to vote.
We have GOT to stop letting hobos, ACORN bums, and homeless derelicts from destroying this country.
Are you kidding me ?
So what you are advocating is people without a high school diploma, who work and pay taxes, can’t vote ?
And those with a high school diploma that live in apartments, can’t vote ?
I think those views are the reason these people are ALLOWED to vote !
Hobos and homeless are destroying this country on their own ? I wonder how many of them are war veterans ? And how many maxed out credit cards do you think they have ?
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Why shouldn’t some requirement be made in order to vote? The person should be able to read and write. They should be able to understand some semblance of an intelligent conversation. Why turn over the nation to illiterate and innumerate hillbillies and scum?
No high school diploma means that you are unqualified for most jobs. In the same way, it should disqualify you from voting.
The problem with using something other than age for deciding who can vote is the problem of coming up with reasonable criteria that people can agree on.
It also ends up being pretty elitist, which seems to be pretty unpopular these days…
Why shouldn’t some requirement be made in order to vote? The person should be able to read and write. They should be able to understand some semblance of an intelligent conversation. Why turn over the nation to illiterate and innumerate hillbillies and scum?
No high school diploma means that you are unqualified for most jobs. In the same way, it should disqualify you from voting.
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HH…my nine year old can read and write and believe or not, can hold an intelligent conversation. You think he would be able to make a decision on who to vote for based on the debates, ads, speeches, etc. ? I don’t think so.
Just because illiterates and ‘hillbillies’ can vote does not mean we are turning the country over to them.
Take a step back and think of how many of those crappy jobs that you would not do that are being done by people without high school diplomas.
I will give you one example of a job that is very important, that is probably done be people without high school diplomas…garbage men. I thank those guys every time I see them and I am glad they are doing a job that I would not want to do.
And if you think about it, there are lots of jobs that people get disqualified from unless they have a COLLEGE diploma.
[quote]vroom wrote:
The problem with using something other than age for deciding who can vote is the problem of coming up with reasonable criteria that people can agree on.
It also ends up being pretty elitist, which seems to be pretty unpopular these days…[/quote]
I don’t believe anybody drawing a supporting level of public funds should be allowed to vote more of the productive citizens income into their own pockets. As a meager start.
Yes I am also vehemently opposed to any positive payouts to corporations as well and would end that forthwith were it in my power.
Of course where defense is concerned, which is a constitutional mandate, it gets more complicated. In any case no citizen with a public livelihood should be allowed to vote until such time as they are self sufficient.
