I usually lean away from “conservatism”, but we need to have the ability to wrestle power away from our government. The government needs to fear the reaction of the populous to its decisions, not the other way around.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
OK, and are these types of guns more likely to be involved in a crime or the killing of an innocent person?
Seems to me, these are the kind of guns that an enthusiast would buy. An enthusiast is likely to look after their gun collection and be professionally trained how to play with it.
If I am a stick up artist looking to rob convenience stores to fund my habbit I probably don’t have the money to buy a flashy weapon. I am going to get the cheapest thing I can lay my hands on that will scare a teller into handing over the cash.
As has already been mentioned, the criminals who might be buying this type of weapon (rich drug gangs) have the money to lay their hands on weapons that are already illegal so this legislation would appear to be mainly aimed at taking showy guns away from enthusiasts.
Seems very politically motivated. Most of the people who own this type of gun wouldn’t vote Dem anyway. Whereas the people who would be likely to see this as an important step in advancing gun control might just be on the other side of the fence.
Exactly and very true. these are guns used for hunting in some states and target shooting matches such as high power rifle contests.
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shotguns or pistols are probably much more common in the commissioning of crimes.
[quote]Jab1 wrote:
Can’t understand why any thinking person would consider this a bad thing. Obama is impressing me more and more.[/quote]
why is that? you don’t like the way they look? There are guns that are much more portable and do much more damage that are not on the list.
Every journey begins with a single step.
No step, then no journey either.
Thus, for those opposed to firearms possession for all law-abiding citizens who are not government employees in law enforcement, banning “assault weapons” is a very important thing.
Facts such as being rarely used in crime, and when used, easily substituted with something else and furthermore, not having been obtained legally anyway in most cases and thus with bans having no effect, have no relevance and therefore will not be persuasive as that is not the point.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Jab1 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Jab1 wrote:
EDIT: Additionally, you missed the fiction that knowing what the Founding Fathers intended has nothing to do with whether or not you are a thinking person.
Fixed that for you. I’m sure it was a typo.[/quote]
I’m clearly no match for your finely honed debate skills.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Just ran across this and thought I’d throw it in here.
[i] Why I Carry a Gun
My old grandpa once said to me, "Son, there comes a time in
every man’s life when he stops bustin’ knuckles and starts
bustin’ caps and usually it’s when he becomes too old to
take an ass whoopin’.I don’t carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to keep
from being killed.I don’t carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because
sometimes this world can be a scary place.I don’t carry a gun because I’m paranoid. I carry a gun
because there are real threats in the world.I don’t carry a gun because I’m evil. I carry a gun because
I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.I don’t carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a
gun because I understand the limitations of government.I don’t carry a gun because I’m angry. I carry a gun so that
I don’t have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for
failing to be prepared.I don’t carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry
a gun becauseI want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and
not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.I don’t carry a gun because I’m a cowboy. I carry a gun
because, when I die and go to Heaven, I want to be a cowboy.I don’t carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a
gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the
ones they love.I don’t carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun
because, unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.I don’t carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because
I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.“Police Protection” is an oxymoron. Free citizens must
protect themselves. Police do not protect you from crime;
they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and
then call someone in to clean up the mess.Personally, I carry a gun because I’m too young to die and
too old to take an ass whoopin’."…author unknown (but obviously brilliant)
Remember the average response time to a 911 call is over 4
minutes.The average response time of a 357 magnum is 1400 FPS.[/i]
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Wow. That is amazing. One reason why I probably will never want stay longer than holiday in the States.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
Jab1 wrote:
Can’t understand why any thinking person would consider this a bad thing. Obama is impressing me more and more.
why is that? you don’t like the way they look? There are guns that are much more portable and do much more damage that are not on the list.[/quote]
What Bill Roberts said, just below what you wrote.
[quote]Jab1 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Jab1 wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Jab1 wrote:
EDIT: Additionally, you missed the fiction that knowing what the Founding Fathers intended has nothing to do with whether or not you are a thinking person.
Fixed that for you. I’m sure it was a typo.
I’m clearly no match for your finely honed debate skills.
pushharder wrote:
Just ran across this and thought I’d throw it in here.
[i] Why I Carry a Gun
My old grandpa once said to me, "Son, there comes a time in
every man’s life when he stops bustin’ knuckles and starts
bustin’ caps and usually it’s when he becomes too old to
take an ass whoopin’.I don’t carry a gun to kill people. I carry a gun to keep
from being killed.I don’t carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because
sometimes this world can be a scary place.I don’t carry a gun because I’m paranoid. I carry a gun
because there are real threats in the world.I don’t carry a gun because I’m evil. I carry a gun because
I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.I don’t carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a
gun because I understand the limitations of government.I don’t carry a gun because I’m angry. I carry a gun so that
I don’t have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for
failing to be prepared.I don’t carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry
a gun becauseI want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and
not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.I don’t carry a gun because I’m a cowboy. I carry a gun
because, when I die and go to Heaven, I want to be a cowboy.I don’t carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a
gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the
ones they love.I don’t carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun
because, unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.I don’t carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because
I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.“Police Protection” is an oxymoron. Free citizens must
protect themselves. Police do not protect you from crime;
they usually just investigate the crime after it happens and
then call someone in to clean up the mess.Personally, I carry a gun because I’m too young to die and
too old to take an ass whoopin’."…author unknown (but obviously brilliant)
Remember the average response time to a 911 call is over 4
minutes.The average response time of a 357 magnum is 1400 FPS.[/i]
Wow. That is amazing. One reason why I probably will never want stay longer than holiday in the States.
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Don’t stress, we didn’t invite anyway.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I don’t agree with this. Although I doubt it, I hope there’s enough Republicans to block this.
I just cannot understand why Democrats are so anti-gun.[/quote]
Are you playing naive?
More news from our rulers.
[quote]Berserkergang wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
I don’t agree with this. Although I doubt it, I hope there’s enough Republicans to block this.
I just cannot understand why Democrats are so anti-gun.
Are you playing naive?
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No, He’s demonstrating a flavor of “Buyers remorse” without knowing it.
THIS topic of guns, has the potential to tear apart the Left side. I’m “HOPING” (see I’m getting on the obamanation hope train)that the far end of the left wing will break right off and become undesirable in one fall swoop to Americans.
Can we just agree that this administration is going to fuck the country six ways to Sunday? And in pretty short order?
I thought it would be bad. But I also thought, “Well. How much difference can a President really make? It’s all hype. I’m getting worked up over nothing.”
I guess I forgot about Pelosi and Reid and how fast liberals can tear shit up when left unchecked.
Now, now.
It took Reagan, with the help of a Democrat-controlled Congress having the final say on spending, 8 years to run up a 1.69 trillion dollar increase in the national debt. I have often heard Democrat politicians criticize this as having been an awful thing to have done.
Obama has probably, in terms of deeds yielding the result, fully accomplished this in only 6 weeks. In terms of PLANS, the Reagan deficits can’t hold a candle to the magnificence planned for us now.
But of course, fifty million Americans died during the Reagan years from being refused health care and not having the government to pay for it for them.
So the effectiveness of Obama is well-endorsed on that point. Plus he won’t be killing 50 million Americans like Reagan did.
However, it did kind of look like amateur hour what with the “we’re going to tax vehicles by mileage,” “no we’re not,” “we’re going to bring back the ‘assault’ weapon ban,” “no we’re not.”
Not so effective on those.
But hey it’s only been six weeks or something.
It’s almost staggering to think about. He’s been in office a little more than one month. What’s this country going to look like in eight years? And it WILL be eight.
Re-election is fairly simple when you have no bad press, society’s motivated losers mobilized and ready to vote so that they can continue to receive their goodie-bags (paid for by “the rich!”), and the race card (which was dealt so effectively against McCain).
The only thing we know is that he can’t throw his dear old racist grandma under the bus in his next transcendent race speech. Well, he can. Thankfully she won’t be around to hear about how much she feared blacks. But then, she was just a typical white person.
That wont happen, because theres to many citizens whom bare arms. Obama isn’t black hes a radical narcissist with a fake birth certificate promoting communism and, community organization. Additionally, Osama pinchie mayate is a Kenyan born “Mulato, faboso” citizen.
The best way to ride this out is to defect Liberals by persuading them, use make shift propaganda. Use political rhetoric to bash these weak Obama followers.
Race card I’ll play the race card because I am Latino. Liberals are useful tools to fall for Obama’s false speeches.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2190002/posts
http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/SANFRANCISCO-CA/KNEW-AM/SAVAGE%203%202%2026%2009.mp3
Ever wonder why Mexican citizens and, Sureno gangs are going after people its because they don’t like supporters of anti-gun. For each antic, Obama mayate, Nancy Pelosi and other community organization supporters following this. More and more tourists will end up being Kidnapped etc.
You bring in a goat, our perception is good for the environment till it starts eating away our land.
Hurray for California’s public school system.
[quote]tme wrote:
Hurray for California’s public school system.
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Har. Perhaps he’s actually an immigrant who’s 2nd language is English, which he learned in adulthood. Just because he’s a resident of Cali doesn’t mean he went to school there. Regardless, I at least could comprehend his points.
And in any case, Cali’s school system is a fair example of what over-regulation and bureaucratic, political BS does to a school system, so I wouldn’t be so hard to criticize them–it’s obvious you fall to the left of the spectrum.
[quote]Jab1 wrote:
dhickey wrote:
Jab1 wrote:
Can’t understand why any thinking person would consider this a bad thing. Obama is impressing me more and more.
why is that? you don’t like the way they look? There are guns that are much more portable and do much more damage that are not on the list.
What Bill Roberts said, just below what you wrote.[/quote]
Except that you didn’t get his obvious sarcasm. He was using his post to support a pro-gun stance, which you seemingly abhor (hence your “i wouldn’t want to stay any longer than holiday in the US” comment).
[quote]Berserkergang wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
I don’t agree with this. Although I doubt it, I hope there’s enough Republicans to block this.
I just cannot understand why Democrats are so anti-gun.
Are you playing naive?
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Ya know, as much as Irish disagrees with most of the right-side posters of this forum, I’d have thought his opinion on this matter would be a welcome change.
He got a pretty fair amount of backlash even when his comments were supporting the pro-gun stance in this thread. He’s pretty intelligent you know, just happens to disagree with many of the people here. You should let him into the clubhouse this time. 
I completely agree with you Irish. And UB07.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Ya know, as much as Irish disagrees with most of the right-side posters of this forum, I’d have thought his opinion on this matter would be a welcome change.
He got a pretty fair amount of backlash even when his comments were supporting the pro-gun stance in this thread. He’s pretty intelligent you know, just happens to disagree with many of the people here. You should let him into the clubhouse this time.
I completely agree with you Irish. And UB07.[/quote]
True. Irish has always been with us on this issue. If you check out the old Liberty Control thread, the Rifle Lovers thread, the Easier to Kill with a Gun thread, and a couple others, you’ll find Irish right there, breaking ranks with the rest of the Left-wingers (and even arguing with them) in defense of the 2nd Amendment.
So don’t bust his balls, Berserker. He may be a liberal, but that doesn’t mean he’s an idiot. 