Fighting Irish is nothing but Republican ready to come out. He is still the douchebag who says fuck every other word. He may sound smart and act smart, but really he is brainwashed by the left wing.
On a side note dhickey, I was watching the The patriot last nite, and right at the ending I saw your avatar.
Anywho fighting takes thing personal and I really he is nothing but a little sobbing SOB, who was been coodled thtoughout his life. Am I wrong Irish?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
dhickey wrote:
2) How America is becoming a “socialist” nation,
If we created a scale with Capitalist on one end and Socialist on another, which direction are we moving?
It’s moving back to the center after eight years of being on the right. I’m fine with that.
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Please tell me how George Bush moved us to the right.
Free from overbearing gov’t control and abuse. Free from overtaxation and restriction of personal liberties. Why was the war of independence fought? What does the declaration of independence say? I want what they wanted, fought for, and acheived, even if it was fleeting. Radical, I know.
Wow…how fucking insightful. I take back everything I ever said about you. Is genius like yours common in Jersey?
Is individual freedom and liberty any less valuable? Is it any less desirable to be owned by the state?
Quite possible. Too bad you are apparenly unable to absorb what you read. Either that or you think they are part of the lunatic fringe or the blow job barn.
Relative to what and why should this matter to me? I don’t believe freedom and liberty agranted to us by popular vote or public sentament, so why would I care how “extreme” I am compared to non-thinkers like yourself and the rest of the sheeple?
This is the differense between me and you. You say it’s just a fact of life. I say history shows that nations and gov’ts change. Revolution is a fact of life. This has proven to be true throughout history. For some reason this does not compute with you. Do you beleive history to be true or do think the founding of this country and countless other revolutions are merely fairytales?
Acceptance of less and less freedom are only a fact of life for the mentally ill-equipped like yourself. Actually, I not sure if you have accepted it or not. You seem to waffle between acceptance and denial. Make up your mind. Are we not becoming more socialist or are you accepting this as a fact of life that cannot be altered?
Fine, maybe you should stick to those. Less of you I have to endure.
I am glad I could articulate that for you.
I was discussing Obama’s approval rating and I was under the impression it was around 40%, but I heard it was more like 60%, anybody got a credible source with current info?
[quote]nik133 wrote:
I was discussing Obama’s approval rating and I was under the impression it was around 40%, but I heard it was more like 60%, anybody got a credible source with current info?[/quote]
To the original question, I submit this chart for the Permanent Record.
Note for those that don’t click on it and cannot read the text: The curves are Obama-created presentations. The dots are actuality.
[quote]dhickey wrote:
Please tell me how George Bush moved us to the right.
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Tax cuts for the rich, his push to privatize social security (woulda wiped out some people’s savings had it gone through I think), his continued advocacy of an ownership society, and the larger disparity between the very wealthy and the poor. How much more right wing can you get?
I’m sorry, but I’m not feeling the pressures here. There are not a whole lot of restrictions on personal liberties- this is far from the police state you seem to think it is. They can’t even get a national ID card to go through (Which I’m glad about.) Maybe it’s different in Minnesota, but I don’t see it.
There are several things I would still like to see go, mostly from the Patriot Act, but this country has managed to do better than I thought it would when we started down this dark path eight years ago.
Overtaxation is the same thing. People will always complain about taxes, but society benefits from them. And I doubt your taxes are as high as mine are here.
No, it’s actually really rare. But what goddamn individual freedom are you missing so badly? What has disapeared since you’ve been alive that is driving you so crazy? Is it the seat belt laws? I don’t fuckin get it.
And you’re not owned by the state at all. In the colonial days, there was nothing to pay for. No infrastructure, no electricity, no running water, no cops, no firemen, no public schools… cry about them if you want to, but without paying taxes, the country would be in the dark, literally and figuratively.
Does the Federal Government waste money? Of course. But that’s inherent in any government, and cannot be fixed.
No no. You guys are the lunatic fringe, and you populate the GOP Blowjob Barn. Get it right.
They were great thinkers. I do not agree with all of them and their beliefs, because many of them were fairly divergent… it’s not really possible to agree with them all every time. On top of that, I still don’t feel as though the every move the country makes must be approved by the panel of dead men.
And that’s fine. But it does make you look like an ass most of the time. Cause, you know, you’re the big badass “Thinkin’ Wolf” obviously.
Oh stop it Nancy. You have no conception of how bad it must get for the people to raise up in arms against their government. Our own revolution almost floundered because the conditions weren’t that bad- there weren’t bread lines and people starving in the streets as there was during the French Revolution, the end days of the Confederacy, or the Russian Revolution.
This country is not anywhere near that point. Even at it’s worst, in the Depression, it was not there. Close, but not yet.
Obama isn’t going to cause a revolution. I’m sorry. You’ve got a better chance of banging six broads at the same time while simultaneously getting struck by lightening and having a stroke.
I do not accept less and less freedom. I am the first one to point out when the government ever strips individual rights away, sometimes to a fault. It was the one issue that me and Zeb continually agreed on those years ago- I do not like the government doing anything that it should not be. And there are organizations, such as the ACLU or even we who make up the evil liberal media, that watch out for it.
However, I don’t think that the government offering bailout money to companies that are begging for it, and then adding that if you take it, there’s strings attached… that’s not socialism. They were free to fail. They took the money. Ford didn’t, unsurprisingly they’re doing alright.
I was not necessarily for this bailout. I wasn’t sure about the whole thing, and personally I wouldn’t take the government’s money if it meant they could tell me what to do after. But these people made other choices. It is not a secret plan to take over capitalism, however, like you wingnuts think.
Sorry dick, you’ll have to endure. Or bitch out. Take your pick.
Me too. saved me time.
[quote]pat wrote:
To me you are beyond chicken shit. Defend your points or your the one that looks like raving lunatic. We made specific points we disagree with and why…You on the other hand come around and call names and when asked to make points you whine that you are all alone and there is no one to protect you…WAH! I have been on many threads where I was the only one making my point of view.
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You’re full of shit. No you haven’t. There’s never been a shortage of hard-headed dipshits on this site to keep the BJ’s coming for the GOP.
Otherwise, I don’t know if you noticed, but I don’t care too much what you think. Call me the names you want, you’re an incompetent when it comes to sounding like a hardass.
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If you have valid points make them, otherwise this mindless drivel you are spewing is ridiculous. What points do you dis agree with and why?
Right now to me it looks like you are liberal because somebody told you to be, or your “…from Boston and that’s just what you do”, or some republican beat the fuck out of you as a kid and your swore vengeance by being liberal, or lastly, your parents are conservative and you hate your parents. [/quote]
Yah yah, that’s exactly it.
You know, my favorite color is blue, so I figured what the fuck, I’ll be a democrat.
And the day you make a “valid point” is the day I slam my dick in a door peckerhead.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
To the original question, I submit this chart for the Permanent Record.[/quote]
Would a True Believer look at that chart and exclaim, “See! I told you that Obama is not spending enough!”?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
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It’s moving back to the center after eight years of being on the right. I’m fine with that.
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When the hell was it to the right? Bush was a liberal. He expanded the government. The only reason the Democrats hated him was because he didn’t have that magic D behind his name. If he did they would have praised everything he did.
Then again there were Republicans who were supporting things they would not have if he wasn’t a Republican. (Party politics sucks.)
I would rather look at this logically instead of just trying to do shit or not do shit because your party supports it or is against it.
In the case of Cap and Trade, while the purpose is to cut energy use, it won’t have that much of an effect. I doubt we would even see anywhere near a 10% drop in energy use. Since we emit somewhere around 23% of the worlds energy produced CO2, that would only be a drop of 2.3%. Now all human activity is only responsible for 3% of all CO2 released, meaning that only 0.069% of all CO2 has been reduced. And again I think this is a very high estimate.
How exactly can this help?
The only way it could actually be that high, or higher, is if it totally devastates our economy. (Possible.)
And this doesn’t even take into account the fact that CO2 is only (at most) 8% of the global warming effect, and the amount added to the atmosphere is only a tiny portion of the CO2 that is already there, plus each increase of CO2 has a diminishing effect.
What this means is that people are going to spend billions if not trillions to result in a change so small it would not be noticeable.
If we move any further to the left, we’ll have to rename the country Amerika.
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
Would a True Believer look at that chart and exclaim, “See! I told you that Obama is not spending enough!”?[/quote]
No doubt a True Believer would - but not those endowed with sense, dare I say a Skepti(x)?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
pat wrote:
To me you are beyond chicken shit. Defend your points or your the one that looks like raving lunatic. We made specific points we disagree with and why…You on the other hand come around and call names and when asked to make points you whine that you are all alone and there is no one to protect you…WAH! I have been on many threads where I was the only one making my point of view.
You’re full of shit. No you haven’t. There’s never been a shortage of hard-headed dipshits on this site to keep the BJ’s coming for the GOP.
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Feel free to look them up. Some are quite recent and I did a damn good job if I do say so myself.
Which is obviously why you responded.
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If you have valid points make them, otherwise this mindless drivel you are spewing is ridiculous. What points do you dis agree with and why?
Right now to me it looks like you are liberal because somebody told you to be, or your “…from Boston and that’s just what you do”, or some republican beat the fuck out of you as a kid and your swore vengeance by being liberal, or lastly, your parents are conservative and you hate your parents.
Yah yah, that’s exactly it.
You know, my favorite color is blue, so I figured what the fuck, I’ll be a democrat.
And the day you make a “valid point” is the day I slam my dick in a door peckerhead.[/quote]
Your dick must be black and blue…I really would not offer my dick as a sacrifice for any reason; I need it.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
dhickey wrote:
Please tell me how George Bush moved us to the right.
Tax cuts for the rich, his push to privatize social security (woulda wiped out some people’s savings had it gone through I think), his continued advocacy of an ownership society, and the larger disparity between the very wealthy and the poor. How much more right wing can you get?
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I got a tax cut and I am far from rich. Everybody got their taxes cut under Bush. As a result government revenue went up 20%. Now Bush spent it all and plenty more…
http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/323.html
See chart 4.
I think you are just used to it, or they may be things you aren’t interested in. For instance, would you like to get your hands on some Androsol, Nandrosol, MAG-10, or any of the andro products? How about a little ephedrine to help get rid of your spare tire. Needed any sudafed lately, you have to give them you drivers license and get put into a national registry just to get a cold treated. God help you if you smoke, smokers are getting their asses pounded by the government, Red light cameras, speeding cameras? Putting your finger prints on drivers licenses? DUI Check points? Hell, have you been on a plane? You have to fucking disrobe to get on one.
The list goes on and on. Just 10-12 years ago, one would have dreamed all this was going to happen. This is an extreme curbing of rights in a very short period of time. This is why I hate Bush, he acted like a fucking democrat socially. I too want the Patriot Act and all it’s accompanying laws rescinded. But nooooo, not only did obama not rescind it, he expanded it. Gotta keep tabs on all us out of control citizens.
Damn dude, where have you been hiding? See above on just the handful of government intrusion into our lives.
Sure it can. Just because it’s pervasive doesn’t mean it’s right and shouldn’t be addressed. Everybody knows its a problem and it need to be fixed. Think of the billions upon billions of dollars that could be recovered if the governement wasted just a little less.
AIG and GM were not free to fail. Obama said they were to big to fail. I wished that AIG were chopped up and sold off, they are still to big and are still failing.
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I was not necessarily for this bailout. I wasn’t sure about the whole thing, and personally I wouldn’t take the government’s money if it meant they could tell me what to do after. But these people made other choices. It is not a secret plan to take over capitalism, however, like you wingnuts think.
If you don’t read those threads, how would you know? I’ve been very, very active on the jesusfreak threads.
Fine, maybe you should stick to those. Less of you I have to endure.
Sorry dick, you’ll have to endure. Or bitch out. Take your pick.
I am glad I could articulate that for you.
Me too. saved me time. [/quote]
Thanks for finally making some points.
To add some sanity and objectively to this thread, I should point out that 2+2 does indeed equal 5 in a very obvious ring.
Unfortunately, that’s about the best I can do.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
<<< Tax cuts for the rich, his push to privatize social security (woulda wiped out some people’s savings had it gone through I think), his continued advocacy of an ownership society, and the larger disparity between the very wealthy and the poor. How much more right wing can you get?
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I’m sorry, but I’m not feeling the pressures here. There are not a whole lot of restrictions on personal liberties- this is far from the police state you seem to think it is. They can’t even get a national ID card to go through (Which I’m glad about.) Maybe it’s different in Minnesota, but I don’t see it. >>>[/quote]
Nice try, but I’m not giving up hope on you yet.
[quote]pat wrote:
I think you are just used to it, or they may be things you aren’t interested in. For instance, would you like to get your hands on some Androsol, Nandrosol, MAG-10, or any of the andro products? How about a little ephedrine to help get rid of your spare tire. Needed any sudafed lately, you have to give them you drivers license and get put into a national registry just to get a cold treated.
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Agreed. I don’t agree with it at all.
I do smoke, and yea we’re getting fucked. But in fairness, the drug does nothing but kill you. There are not any benefits as there are with the supplements you mentioned before. It’s more or less the government profiting from giving the people cancer. The less people smoke, the better it is.
But speeding cameras are another one I agree with you. I am against cameras in general for use by authorities.
My question is where were you people when this was going on? I remember being on here and being mocked for putting up threads about teh National ID card, the Sudafed thing, etc. But the Republicans were the ones who pushed all of this through, and there were far too many people who agreed with all of this back then and are now saying that Obama is intruding into their lives. Well what the fuck? Why is it only when it’s the guy you hate in there that you realize the wrongs committed?
I’m not saying you specifically, but this happens time and again.
However, as I said, the country has fared better with these restrictions than I thought they would. Possibly the only one that I have seen in person is the plane searches (which I don’t necessarilty mind) and the Sudafed thing (I’m not in a meth lab, so I don’t really care.)
By the way, whose fingerprints are on driver’s licenses? NJ just got pictures on ours in the last 10 years.
I think it’s just the nature of a Republic. What politician can you possibly elect that isn’t going to murder every bill with pork barrel projects?
I’m not arguing that the government could spend less. I’d like to see it… but I also think otherwise, people see the government as this boogyman who sucks up all the money and hands it back out to it’s workers, and that’s it.
We’re seeing it on the state level in NJ- there’s only so much you can cut before you actually begin affecting services and seriously hurting people on the groun level.
GM could have refused the money. Ford did.
AIG, however, may have been too big. I’m not sure whether another course of action may have been better, but I’m looking at it as someone who is not a financial expert and I’m looking at it through hindsight. I would have probably tried to do the same thing- at least keep AIG on their feet.
[quote]The Mage wrote:
When the hell was it to the right? Bush was a liberal. He expanded the government. The only reason the Democrats hated him was because he didn’t have that magic D behind his name. If he did they would have praised everything he did.
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I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but in the last 30 years it’s been the so-called “Conservatives” that have drastically expanded the size and role of the government, as well as the national debt. Reagan and George II especially.
There’s nothing “liberal” about expanding the government anymore.
Republicans aren’t conservatives.
You have any sources for your numbers?
And why exactly would cap and trade cost more for the average person? Even if it did, would the costs not be reduced in 5 or 10 years when the companies came up with alternatives?
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If we move any further to the left, we’ll have to rename the country Amerika.[/quote]
A bad plan for capping pollution is not a leftist idea. It’s just a a bad plan. It’s certainly no worse than Bush I fighting like hell to keep leaded fuel around.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
pat wrote:
I think you are just used to it, or they may be things you aren’t interested in. For instance, would you like to get your hands on some Androsol, Nandrosol, MAG-10, or any of the andro products? How about a little ephedrine to help get rid of your spare tire. Needed any sudafed lately, you have to give them you drivers license and get put into a national registry just to get a cold treated.
Agreed. I don’t agree with it at all.
God help you if you smoke, smokers are getting their asses pounded by the government, Red light cameras, speeding cameras?
I do smoke, and yea we’re getting fucked. But in fairness, the drug does nothing but kill you. There are not any benefits as there are with the supplements you mentioned before. It’s more or less the government profiting from giving the people cancer. The less people smoke, the better it is.
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Sure it’s bad for you, but the it’s not the government’s place to nanny you or me. If I want to do something bad for me, it’s my own fucking problem. McDonald’s ain’t illegal, I’d argue that shithole is worse than smoking health wise…I used to smoke, maybe one day I’ll want to pick the habit back up. Either way it’s my problem and I want the government to get their big nose out of my business.
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But speeding cameras are another one I agree with you. I am against cameras in general for use by authorities.
Putting your finger prints on drivers licenses? DUI Check points? Hell, have you been on a plane? You have to fucking disrobe to get on one.
The list goes on and on. Just 10-12 years ago, one would have dreamed all this was going to happen. This is an extreme curbing of rights in a very short period of time. This is why I hate Bush, he acted like a fucking democrat socially. I too want the Patriot Act and all it’s accompanying laws rescinded. But nooooo, not only did obama not rescind it, he expanded it. Gotta keep tabs on all us out of control citizens.
My question is where were you people when this was going on? I remember being on here and being mocked for putting up threads about teh National ID card, the Sudafed thing, etc. But the Republicans were the ones who pushed all of this through, and there were far too many people who agreed with all of this back then and are now saying that Obama is intruding into their lives. Well what the fuck? Why is it only when it’s the guy you hate in there that you realize the wrongs committed?
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I was here. I have written my congress men during that time about those things and bitched about them here. I didn’t like Bush either by the way…The above examples that happened under his watch are some of the reasons why.
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I’m not saying you specifically, but this happens time and again.
However, as I said, the country has fared better with these restrictions than I thought they would. Possibly the only one that I have seen in person is the plane searches (which I don’t necessarilty mind) and the Sudafed thing (I’m not in a meth lab, so I don’t really care.)
By the way, whose fingerprints are on driver’s licenses? NJ just got pictures on ours in the last 10 years.
Sure it can. Just because it’s pervasive doesn’t mean it’s right and shouldn’t be addressed. Everybody knows its a problem and it need to be fixed. Think of the billions upon billions of dollars that could be recovered if the governement wasted just a little less.
I think it’s just the nature of a Republic. What politician can you possibly elect that isn’t going to murder every bill with pork barrel projects?
I’m not arguing that the government could spend less. I’d like to see it… but I also think otherwise, people see the government as this boogyman who sucks up all the money and hands it back out to it’s workers, and that’s it.
We’re seeing it on the state level in NJ- there’s only so much you can cut before you actually begin affecting services and seriously hurting people on the groun level.
AIG and GM were not free to fail. Obama said they were to big to fail. I wished that AIG were chopped up and sold off, they are still to big and are still failing.
GM could have refused the money. Ford did.
AIG, however, may have been too big. I’m not sure whether another course of action may have been better, but I’m looking at it as someone who is not a financial expert and I’m looking at it through hindsight. I would have probably tried to do the same thing- at least keep AIG on their feet. [/quote]
It looks like we agree more than we disagree…
[quote]pat wrote:
Sure it’s bad for you, but the it’s not the government’s place to nanny you or me. If I want to do something bad for me, it’s my own fucking problem. McDonald’s ain’t illegal, I’d argue that shithole is worse than smoking health wise…I used to smoke, maybe one day I’ll want to pick the habit back up. Either way it’s my problem and I want the government to get their big nose out of my business.
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No, it isn’t. It’s the same reason I’m against seat belt laws, motorcycle helmet laws, and other things of that ilk.
I am not for social programs like that, but remember that there are a good amount of people who tell me all the time that smokers drain the health care system and hurt everyone.
They’re full of shit, of course, because I’m sure the health conditions arising from obesity are way worse, but this is what they’ll tell you.
They are my biggest concerns, and aside from his Iraq war, the main reasons that I despised him and his administration.
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It looks like we agree more than we disagree…:)[/quote]
On some things, sure. Being a liberal, to me, means that on social issues like abortion, gay marriage, seat belt laws, smoking, etc. the government should be staying the fuck out of much of it. These things should be legal unless there is compelling evidence that it’s really causing massive problems for society. 98 percent of them are harmless except to the people they directly effect.
I find it utterly Hilarious that people are trying to grade the president 6 months into his FIRST term. BWA HAHA HAHAHA.
Geeze, I wonder what people would have graded President Lincoln in his first 6 MONTHS, “ummm, cannon balls are being fired 100 miles from the white house, I’m going to have to give you an F” HA.
Not to mention that after Bush’s first FOUR YEARS IN OFFICE some smart people in this country knew that we were headed for disaster, and he got elected again…after four years of failure… Funny, I didn’t hear a republican outcry against his policies then.
So go ahead and whimper and misquote you’re facts, Obama signs order to close Guantanamo Bay facility - CNN.com http://www.miamiherald.com/news/americas/guantanamo/story/1120781.html , because frankly were all just going to have to be patient for a while and see what comes without giving in to the urge to grade the president on the same scale as a fourth grader.
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