Obama on Race

And for christ’s sake, stop with the “hip” shit. At least use a word from the last couple decades or so.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
And for christ’s sake, stop with the “hip” shit. At least use a word from the last couple decades or so.[/quote]

How bout “disaster”. A predictable one at that.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

You and your garbage rhetoric. Obviously referencing a pop culture icon immediately means that he’s a fool who never accomplished all he’s done. Just sits at home at Itunes. Maybe you’re projecting… or do you still by 45’s of Merle Haggard?[/quote]

My point was that his referencing a pop culture icom was essentially meaningless, and no serious citizen gives a damn whether the president checks in with a certain fluency in pop culture.

Notice my qualifier of “serious”.

And his referencing a pop culture icon doesn’t say anything about what he has or hasn’t done - his record does. You ready to defend that record, or should we breeze over as long as he says he likes the Jonas Brothers?

Oh, and note to the working-class bard - Merle Haggard is considered one of the authentic working-class balladeers of the past generation. Look into it.

Irish VS the Blowjob Barn … who will win?

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

“By the way, on a separate note, having a young black president after years of old white guys is awesome.”

That’s what I said, and it was as an aside. If that’s “all warm and gooey” then you got fuckin problems.[/quote]

You’re a journalist, so you can appreciate selective editing. Right your quote above, you say:

“They might think they got a pretty good flow” - could never imagine George II saying that one.

Part of the “awesome” part of having a young, black president is his line about “flow”. You like it - it is a reason you think his presidency is “awesome”.

[quote]There was one off color joke about keeping 12 guage and Mountain Range away from the White House. And making fun of their names is a reflection on the moron mother, not the kids. They can’t help it.

Again, you’re just making crap up in that hillbilly head of yours to try and prove something. [/quote]

C’mon, Irish - man up. This part of your gag - your unhinged vitriol for politicians you don’t like never stays forcused on rational criticism. It becomes a deranged jeremiad, and it is personal. You’ve worked so hard to create that image - don’t squander all that precious work.

Yawn - more whining. “Pretentious” means the putting on of false airs, “pretending” to know about something you don’t know about in hopes of exaggerating your worth. I tell people what I think and I have a low tolerance for manure. That ain’t “pretentiousness”, nor is it “arrogance”.

As an aside, you sure get your panties in a twist when someone pours on the heat in a discussion - offended by “arrogance” and so forth - but you don’t worry about such things for yourself when gassing off calling your opponent every name you can think of and insulting everything you can conure about their knowledge, etc. Why is that exactly?

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

Irish VS the Blowjob Barn … who will win? [/quote]

Sorry - Irish has trademark rights to that phrase. You’ll need to generate some material of your own.

[quote]Rockscar wrote:

Wow Irish the cheerleader.[/quote]

After years of unbridled tantrums generated by Bush Derangement Syndrome, the corner has been turned, and we get the “Leave Obama Alone” moment.

I’ve always hated the Derangement Syndrome approach to politicians, but I hate it without regard to party. I didn’t like it with Clinton or Bush, and I don’t like it with Obama.

Maybe I am just “arrogant” that way - but one pretentious principle I always arrogantly cling to is that what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

Oh, and note to the working-class bard - Merle Haggard is considered one of the authentic working-class balladeers of the past generation. Look into it.[/quote]

One thing I can comment on: Merle Haggard is awesome. One of my favorites.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:

“By the way, on a separate note, having a young black president after years of old white guys is awesome.”

That’s what I said, and it was as an aside. If that’s “all warm and gooey” then you got fuckin problems.

You’re a journalist, so you can appreciate selective editing. Right your quote above, you say:

“They might think they got a pretty good flow” - could never imagine George II saying that one.

Part of the “awesome” part of having a young, black president is his line about “flow”. You like it - it is a reason you think his presidency is “awesome”.
[/quote]

It is not THE reason I like his presidency. It is a thing that I like about him, but my thoughts about his term are not reliant on him saying things like that. I thought it was a cool thing to say, a good way to relate to the people you are speaking to. Nothing more. You just seized on it because you’re looking for crap to spew.

I say what crosses my mind. If it offends people I don’t really care.

I have said many times on these boards that I thought that W would make a cool neighbor, or maybe an uncle. But when they’re responsible, as he is, for the last eight shitty ass years, I’m not going to stay quiet and pretend like it wasn’t the man himself who caused it.

[quote]
That’s where you’re wrong. Pretentiousness and arrogance seeps from every post your fingers type. I wouldn’t expect you to catch on though- when you smell like shit you’re often the last to know.

Yawn - more whining. “Pretentious” means the putting on of false airs, “pretending” to know about something you don’t know about in hopes of exaggerating your worth. I tell people what I think and I have a low tolerance for manure. That ain’t “pretentiousness”, nor is it “arrogance”.

As an aside, you sure get your panties in a twist when someone pours on the heat in a discussion - offended by “arrogance” and so forth - but you don’t worry about such things for yourself when gassing off calling your opponent every name you can think of and insulting everything you can conure about their knowledge, etc. Why is that exactly?[/quote]

Justify your crap however you want. I don’t need to offer up any proof to you that you’re an arrogant douche- it rolls off with, as I said, every post.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
After years of unbridled tantrums generated by Bush Derangement Syndrome, the corner has been turned, and we get the “Leave Obama Alone” moment.

I’ve always hated the Derangement Syndrome approach to politicians, but I hate it without regard to party. I didn’t like it with Clinton or Bush, and I don’t like it with Obama.

Maybe I am just “arrogant” that way - but one pretentious principle I always arrogantly cling to is that what is good for the goose is good for the gander.[/quote]

You’re full of shit. I bet for the next four years you bash the fuck out of Obama, as everyone else here will. Just because you don’t swear you do it doesn’t mean it’s any less vicious.

I forgot, of course… the conservatives wear their halos proudly, saints that you fucks are.

[quote]AlisaV wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:

Oh, and note to the working-class bard - Merle Haggard is considered one of the authentic working-class balladeers of the past generation. Look into it.

One thing I can comment on: Merle Haggard is awesome. One of my favorites.

[/quote]

I just used him as an example. I admire Haggard. He was the real deal.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:

Irish VS the Blowjob Barn … who will win?

Sorry - Irish has trademark rights to that phrase. You’ll need to generate some material of your own.[/quote]

I’ll hurry right up on that, so that I can fit in with this great thread here.

“Hey guys, I kinda liked that speech, interesting stuff”
“Fuck you! Obama is horrible! He already failed! Worst President EVER!!11!!!11!”

Yeah, let me get my best shit together for the acerbic wit of the posters on this thread.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
<<< I bet for the next four years you bash the fuck out of Obama, >>>[/quote]

It has nothing to do with personalities or parties. It has everything to do with principles. I hope one day the light goes on in your head and you get that.

I hammered Bush 1 for breaking his no new taxes pledge even though he was strong armed into it. I criticized Clinton when he broke his tax promise one month into his first term and praised him when he signed (relatively) decent budgets and legislation which were pretty much all Republican anyway. I praised GWB for his handling of the war on terror and one tax cut and shook my head in disgust as he and the GOP controlled legislative branch squandered their opportunities practically everywhere else by doing their best liberal Democrat impression.

I bashed McCain all through the campaign for being a liberal in sheeps clothing. I came to Obama’s defense for masterfully handling the pirate/hostage situation. What he says doesn’t mean shit because he is a liar right from his mouthing the oath of office, but I will unhesitatingly praise him again if he DOES something sound and actually in the best interest of we the people.

I suspect Thunderbolt and some others here are the same that way. It’s primarily the policy that garners approval or repudiation, not who’s face is attached to it, though some personal jabbing is unavoidable within limits.

Trib- there are many posters on these threads over the years (some that reappear) that have nothing but enmity for any and all Democrats. I haven’t seen Thunder say something positive about any Democrat in a long fuckin time, if ever. And that’s fine- I don’t expect them too. But as always, the conservatives pretend to wear their halos and crosses everytime I attack something a Republican does or defend a Democrat.

And, I applauded W on his immigration policy. It was the only thing I like in his eight years that didn’t make me cringe, aside from his not putting any new Federal gun laws out.

But being a liberal democrat on most issues, what the hell was there for me to agree with with Bush? Before Bush in 2000, the last election was in 1996… and I was 12 for that one, so I doubt you’d have wanted my opinion on it.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
What a speech. I thought what he said was particularly valid and very true.

Obama: ‘Our kids can’t all aspire to be the next LeBron or Lil Wayne’

In his young presidency, Obama has steered somewhat away from the subject of race. He has seemingly tried to be a “post-race” President. Last night at the NAACP’s 100th Anniversary dinner, the President tackled the subject head on. He spoke of the legacy of discrimination and of personal responsibility. Here are a few portions of his speech:

“Make no mistake: the pain of discrimination is still felt in America.”

“African-American students are lagging behind white classmates in reading and math â?? an achievement gap that is growing in states that once led the way on civil rights. Over half of all African-American students are dropping out of school in some places. There are overcrowded classrooms, crumbling schools, and corridors of shame in America filled with poor children – black, brown, and white alike.”

“Government programs alone won’t get our children to the promised land. We need a new mindset, a new set of attitudes â?? because one of the most durable and destructive legacies of discrimination is the way that we have internalized a sense of limitation; how so many in our community have come to expect so little of ourselves.”

Speaking of African American children he said this: “They might think they’ve got a pretty good jump shot or a pretty good flow, but our kids can’t all aspire to be the next LeBron or Lil Wayne. I want them aspiring to be scientists and engineers, doctors and teachers, not just ballers and rappers. I want them aspiring to be a Supreme Court justice. I want them aspiring to be president of the United States.”

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnewser/2009/07/obama-our-kids-cant-all-aspire-to-be-the-next-lebron-or-lil-wayne.html


By the way, on a seperate note, having a young black president after years of old white guys is awesome.

“They might think they got a pretty good flow” - could never imagine George II saying that one.[/quote]

wow, he made some generalized statements to people about what they wanted to hear without giving any means of reaching that goal… really? I never thought he would do something like that…

/sigh…

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Wow Irish the cheerleader. Just don’t pay your taxes this year and you may just end up working for him.

He hasn’t done anything that I’ve hated yet though, so I’m not going to bash him for no reason .[/quote]

Give a failing company (banks and GM and chrysler) Billions of dollars so they wouldnt fall apart like they deserved too for being an out of date bussiness just so the rich executives could get a fat bonus check and the hourly guy gets screwed again… all that so the government could own a part of them…

so ya, he hasnt done anything worth hating yet…

what planet do you live on?? for someone who acts like they have a clue you say really out there ridiculous stuff sometimes…

-ratchet-

[quote]Ratchet wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Wow Irish the cheerleader. Just don’t pay your taxes this year and you may just end up working for him.

He hasn’t done anything that I’ve hated yet though, so I’m not going to bash him for no reason .

Give a failing company (banks and GM and chrysler) Billions of dollars so they wouldnt fall apart like they deserved too for being an out of date bussiness just so the rich executives could get a fat bonus check and the hourly guy gets screwed again… all that so the government could own a part of them…

so ya, he hasnt done anything worth hating yet…

what planet do you live on?? for someone who acts like they have a clue you say really out there ridiculous stuff sometimes…

-ratchet-
[/quote]

Because I wasn’t against the bailout makes me from another planet?

And I’m the partisan hack?

Unfuckingbelievable.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
<<< Before Bush in 2000, the last election was in 1996… and I was 12 for that one, so I doubt you’d have wanted my opinion on it. [/quote]

You do realize that you handed me a practically irresistible gift here right? I will refrain for the moment.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
<<< Before Bush in 2000, the last election was in 1996… and I was 12 for that one, so I doubt you’d have wanted my opinion on it.

You do realize that you handed me a practically irresistible gift here right? I will refrain for the moment.

[/quote]

Oh yea, I was actually going to say something else but I figured WTF, let’s see if someone jumps on it. hahah.

Where are you on Healthcare Irish?

Do you support forcing people out of their current system they are happy with into a mandated rationed care system? Have you ever been sick and called your doc and got an appointment for that same day? Expect that convenience and PERK of the private system to be gone. Are also suporting the proposed coverage of illegal aliens too? Did you know congress will not accept the plan for themselves and that they will NOT be a part of this and they will have a system different that all us “subjects”???