Obama Names Transgender Appointment

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]Kebvin wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]Kebvin wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]Kebvin wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
Trannies are disgusting, I am genetically predisposed to going to town on them with a baseball bat.

However, the amount that this man is offended, makes me think he is probably in the closet or something lol.[/quote]

Not in the closet, but my dad is a clinical therapist and I’ve heard a fair number of stories. Also, I had a likeable friend of a friend who is gay go to a party where nobody knew he was gay and then get beat into surgery after a couple of bigger guys at the party were told. He broke several bones because of intolerance. I just figure everyone should do their part to stop as much intolerance as possible, cause there’s no reason to get hurt.

And why is it necessary to “go to town on them with a baseball bat?” They’re humans who wanna be happy, like you…[/quote]
Not saying I would beat them with a baseball bat. I’ve been around 2 trannies, and that is how I’ve felt. Their smell is what truly offends me, it is confusing to the senses if they are undergoing hormonal surgery, and make something subconscious and instinctual make me want to kill them.

I don’t act on that, but I think you’re dilluting yourself, if you don’t acknowledge that many men feel basically uncomfortable or angry towards trannies.

I don’t think this feeling is entirely culturally based.[/quote]

I believe that feeling (which I used to experience) is based almost solely on fear. Probably just fear of the unknown, but maybe something else.

I also believe that if my mind and existence started in a female body, I would’ve had a troubling childhood and rough life until I was allowed to “become” male.
[/quote]

I honestly don’t care enough to try to change the medical definition of the disorder.

My estimation though, is just because people do crazy ish, does not make it a valid thing. In the same way we can argue day and night whether or not there is or isn’t a soul. We can also argue whether gender is determined by physical characteristics, socialization or some sort of ‘mind-gender.’

I don’t know, and I don’t science has much empirical evidene to prove the point either way.
What I do know is there are people who also think they are leopards or birds. They are in insane asylums.

Or closer to home, if I went to the Doctor and said, I feel I am meant to be more masculine, a veritable werewolf of a man…give me male hormones! They would discredit my desire as not socially acceptable. But if I said, I WANT BITCH TITS, I WANT TO BE A FEMALE, GIVE ME A VAG, LOWER MY TESTERONE! Obama would give me a damn job!

I think that we should focus on confronting that hypocrisy, rather than debating the veracity of transexuality or not.

For me, all that matters is…was he/she the most qualified candidate? Probably not, her oddity was to get Obama political points from the left.

In this case I disagree with it.
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Not really sure what exactly you are talking about because it is NOT a disorder. If everyone would just take 3 minutes and look this up, this discussion could be over. Biologically and chemically transexuals’ brains are most like the sex/gender that they would like to be. It’s been tested and proven over and over. I just spent 5 minutes making sure I wasn’t arguing BS that I’ve heard… not that hard.

And I don’t really understand this hypocrisy you are talking about… not really the same at all… And maybe she wasn’t the most qualified and it was a political move, but I’m pretty sure being transgendered isn’t her only qualification. [/quote]

So they can chemically test feelings now? Most of this brain science crap, is well crap. It lacks empirically backing and scientific method. Not unlike the ‘Chemical Imbalance’ non-sense they use to sell pharm drugs…when ironically they cannot take values for these imbalances but only gauge by symptons.

Science is politicized, while it is the best tool we have, one must know when they are dealing with fact or political slant.
[/quote]

Wow.

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[quote]Kebvin wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]Kebvin wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]Kebvin wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]Kebvin wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
Trannies are disgusting, I am genetically predisposed to going to town on them with a baseball bat.

However, the amount that this man is offended, makes me think he is probably in the closet or something lol.[/quote]

Not in the closet, but my dad is a clinical therapist and I’ve heard a fair number of stories. Also, I had a likeable friend of a friend who is gay go to a party where nobody knew he was gay and then get beat into surgery after a couple of bigger guys at the party were told. He broke several bones because of intolerance. I just figure everyone should do their part to stop as much intolerance as possible, cause there’s no reason to get hurt.

And why is it necessary to “go to town on them with a baseball bat?” They’re humans who wanna be happy, like you…[/quote]
Not saying I would beat them with a baseball bat. I’ve been around 2 trannies, and that is how I’ve felt. Their smell is what truly offends me, it is confusing to the senses if they are undergoing hormonal surgery, and make something subconscious and instinctual make me want to kill them.

I don’t act on that, but I think you’re dilluting yourself, if you don’t acknowledge that many men feel basically uncomfortable or angry towards trannies.

I don’t think this feeling is entirely culturally based.[/quote]

I believe that feeling (which I used to experience) is based almost solely on fear. Probably just fear of the unknown, but maybe something else.

I also believe that if my mind and existence started in a female body, I would’ve had a troubling childhood and rough life until I was allowed to “become” male.
[/quote]

I honestly don’t care enough to try to change the medical definition of the disorder.

My estimation though, is just because people do crazy ish, does not make it a valid thing. In the same way we can argue day and night whether or not there is or isn’t a soul. We can also argue whether gender is determined by physical characteristics, socialization or some sort of ‘mind-gender.’

I don’t know, and I don’t science has much empirical evidene to prove the point either way.
What I do know is there are people who also think they are leopards or birds. They are in insane asylums.

Or closer to home, if I went to the Doctor and said, I feel I am meant to be more masculine, a veritable werewolf of a man…give me male hormones! They would discredit my desire as not socially acceptable. But if I said, I WANT BITCH TITS, I WANT TO BE A FEMALE, GIVE ME A VAG, LOWER MY TESTERONE! Obama would give me a damn job!

I think that we should focus on confronting that hypocrisy, rather than debating the veracity of transexuality or not.

For me, all that matters is…was he/she the most qualified candidate? Probably not, her oddity was to get Obama political points from the left.

In this case I disagree with it.
[/quote]

Not really sure what exactly you are talking about because it is NOT a disorder. If everyone would just take 3 minutes and look this up, this discussion could be over. Biologically and chemically transexuals’ brains are most like the sex/gender that they would like to be. It’s been tested and proven over and over. I just spent 5 minutes making sure I wasn’t arguing BS that I’ve heard… not that hard.

And I don’t really understand this hypocrisy you are talking about… not really the same at all… And maybe she wasn’t the most qualified and it was a political move, but I’m pretty sure being transgendered isn’t her only qualification. [/quote]

So they can chemically test feelings now? Most of this brain science crap, is well crap. It lacks empirically backing and scientific method. Not unlike the ‘Chemical Imbalance’ non-sense they use to sell pharm drugs…when ironically they cannot take values for these imbalances but only gauge by symptons.

Science is politicized, while it is the best tool we have, one must know when they are dealing with fact or political slant.
[/quote]

Wow.
[/quote]
50 years ago we had racial biology. The advances made by this, have allowed us to isolate illnesses by racial groups who had the highest propensity for an illness. Another advance was the ability to identify the race of a person by their skeletal remains which has proven invaluable in forensics science.

Yet now many scientists have taken up a political flag that “RACE DOESN’T EXIST.”
Is this empirical? Are we going to stop using all these methods that have aided us then?
If we could discern race through basic human observation, blood test and now the human genome project, then in what manner is it appropriate to go to war with the word itself? Just because it has modern negative political connotations? This is unscientific.

Back to the issue.
Symptomatic deductions are not science. They are a part of it, but not all of it. If you’re arm were in pain would you be comfortable with the Doctor resetting the ‘broken bone’ without running an x-ray or at least a feel-test first? Of course you wouldn’t because he doesn’t even know if it’s broken yet or not.

In the same way,
if a man were adamant about being a werewolf, would I assume because of those symptoms he had the brain of a wolf? No I would need physical evidence to support this claim, otherwise, it would be a neurotic fixation of his caused by something yet to be determined.

Show me the data and test that have allowed Scientists to gauge SCIENTIFICALLY that a person is physically in possession of a female brain rather than a male one and I will believe you.

I’ll bet my bottom dollar you can’t.

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[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]Kebvin wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]Kebvin wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]Kebvin wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]Kebvin wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
Trannies are disgusting, I am genetically predisposed to going to town on them with a baseball bat.

However, the amount that this man is offended, makes me think he is probably in the closet or something lol.[/quote]

Not in the closet, but my dad is a clinical therapist and I’ve heard a fair number of stories. Also, I had a likeable friend of a friend who is gay go to a party where nobody knew he was gay and then get beat into surgery after a couple of bigger guys at the party were told. He broke several bones because of intolerance. I just figure everyone should do their part to stop as much intolerance as possible, cause there’s no reason to get hurt.

And why is it necessary to “go to town on them with a baseball bat?” They’re humans who wanna be happy, like you…[/quote]
Not saying I would beat them with a baseball bat. I’ve been around 2 trannies, and that is how I’ve felt. Their smell is what truly offends me, it is confusing to the senses if they are undergoing hormonal surgery, and make something subconscious and instinctual make me want to kill them.

I don’t act on that, but I think you’re dilluting yourself, if you don’t acknowledge that many men feel basically uncomfortable or angry towards trannies.

I don’t think this feeling is entirely culturally based.[/quote]

I believe that feeling (which I used to experience) is based almost solely on fear. Probably just fear of the unknown, but maybe something else.

I also believe that if my mind and existence started in a female body, I would’ve had a troubling childhood and rough life until I was allowed to “become” male.
[/quote]

I honestly don’t care enough to try to change the medical definition of the disorder.

My estimation though, is just because people do crazy ish, does not make it a valid thing. In the same way we can argue day and night whether or not there is or isn’t a soul. We can also argue whether gender is determined by physical characteristics, socialization or some sort of ‘mind-gender.’

I don’t know, and I don’t science has much empirical evidene to prove the point either way.
What I do know is there are people who also think they are leopards or birds. They are in insane asylums.

Or closer to home, if I went to the Doctor and said, I feel I am meant to be more masculine, a veritable werewolf of a man…give me male hormones! They would discredit my desire as not socially acceptable. But if I said, I WANT BITCH TITS, I WANT TO BE A FEMALE, GIVE ME A VAG, LOWER MY TESTERONE! Obama would give me a damn job!

I think that we should focus on confronting that hypocrisy, rather than debating the veracity of transexuality or not.

For me, all that matters is…was he/she the most qualified candidate? Probably not, her oddity was to get Obama political points from the left.

In this case I disagree with it.
[/quote]

Not really sure what exactly you are talking about because it is NOT a disorder. If everyone would just take 3 minutes and look this up, this discussion could be over. Biologically and chemically transexuals’ brains are most like the sex/gender that they would like to be. It’s been tested and proven over and over. I just spent 5 minutes making sure I wasn’t arguing BS that I’ve heard… not that hard.

And I don’t really understand this hypocrisy you are talking about… not really the same at all… And maybe she wasn’t the most qualified and it was a political move, but I’m pretty sure being transgendered isn’t her only qualification. [/quote]

So they can chemically test feelings now? Most of this brain science crap, is well crap. It lacks empirically backing and scientific method. Not unlike the ‘Chemical Imbalance’ non-sense they use to sell pharm drugs…when ironically they cannot take values for these imbalances but only gauge by symptons.

Science is politicized, while it is the best tool we have, one must know when they are dealing with fact or political slant.
[/quote]

Wow.
[/quote]
50 years ago we had racial biology. The advances made by this, have allowed us to isolate illnesses by racial groups who had the highest propensity for an illness. Another advance was the ability to identify the race of a person by their skeletal remains which has proved invaluable in body identification for criminal justice.

Yet now many scientists have taken up a political flag that “RACE DOESN’T EXIST.”
Is this empirical? Are we going to stop using all these methods that have aided us then?

Show me the data and test that have allow a scientist to gauge SCIENTIFICALLY that a person is physically in possession of a female brain rather than a male one and I will believe you.

I’ll bet my bottom dollar you can’t.[/quote]

You`re amking like three different arguments… And they aren’t actually related. I suggested that you look it up so that you wouldn’t assume I was feeding you lies. You were talking about empirical evidence, so i tell you that it exists, then you change your mind and say that this so-called science can’t possibly be truly empirical. And tell me that science can’t test feelings…

That’s not even what I was telling you.

Please open your mind. That is all you have to do. I did. I searched for close to an hour for proof that male to female transexuals are more like men in their brain. In one study and in one aspect they aren’t more similar to women but still not the same as men… that’s the best I could do…

This is likely where you’ll use that to claim your victory… I’m done though, so go ahead and bite most of your words again, so that you can use this one piece of “brain science crap.”

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[quote]Kebvin wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]Kebvin wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]Kebvin wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]Kebvin wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]Kebvin wrote:

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
Trannies are disgusting, I am genetically predisposed to going to town on them with a baseball bat.

However, the amount that this man is offended, makes me think he is probably in the closet or something lol.[/quote]

Not in the closet, but my dad is a clinical therapist and I’ve heard a fair number of stories. Also, I had a likeable friend of a friend who is gay go to a party where nobody knew he was gay and then get beat into surgery after a couple of bigger guys at the party were told. He broke several bones because of intolerance. I just figure everyone should do their part to stop as much intolerance as possible, cause there’s no reason to get hurt.

And why is it necessary to “go to town on them with a baseball bat?” They’re humans who wanna be happy, like you…[/quote]
Not saying I would beat them with a baseball bat. I’ve been around 2 trannies, and that is how I’ve felt. Their smell is what truly offends me, it is confusing to the senses if they are undergoing hormonal surgery, and make something subconscious and instinctual make me want to kill them.

I don’t act on that, but I think you’re dilluting yourself, if you don’t acknowledge that many men feel basically uncomfortable or angry towards trannies.

I don’t think this feeling is entirely culturally based.[/quote]

I believe that feeling (which I used to experience) is based almost solely on fear. Probably just fear of the unknown, but maybe something else.

I also believe that if my mind and existence started in a female body, I would’ve had a troubling childhood and rough life until I was allowed to “become” male.
[/quote]

I honestly don’t care enough to try to change the medical definition of the disorder.

My estimation though, is just because people do crazy ish, does not make it a valid thing. In the same way we can argue day and night whether or not there is or isn’t a soul. We can also argue whether gender is determined by physical characteristics, socialization or some sort of ‘mind-gender.’

I don’t know, and I don’t science has much empirical evidene to prove the point either way.
What I do know is there are people who also think they are leopards or birds. They are in insane asylums.

Or closer to home, if I went to the Doctor and said, I feel I am meant to be more masculine, a veritable werewolf of a man…give me male hormones! They would discredit my desire as not socially acceptable. But if I said, I WANT BITCH TITS, I WANT TO BE A FEMALE, GIVE ME A VAG, LOWER MY TESTERONE! Obama would give me a damn job!

I think that we should focus on confronting that hypocrisy, rather than debating the veracity of transexuality or not.

For me, all that matters is…was he/she the most qualified candidate? Probably not, her oddity was to get Obama political points from the left.

In this case I disagree with it.
[/quote]

Not really sure what exactly you are talking about because it is NOT a disorder. If everyone would just take 3 minutes and look this up, this discussion could be over. Biologically and chemically transexuals’ brains are most like the sex/gender that they would like to be. It’s been tested and proven over and over. I just spent 5 minutes making sure I wasn’t arguing BS that I’ve heard… not that hard.

And I don’t really understand this hypocrisy you are talking about… not really the same at all… And maybe she wasn’t the most qualified and it was a political move, but I’m pretty sure being transgendered isn’t her only qualification. [/quote]

So they can chemically test feelings now? Most of this brain science crap, is well crap. It lacks empirically backing and scientific method. Not unlike the ‘Chemical Imbalance’ non-sense they use to sell pharm drugs…when ironically they cannot take values for these imbalances but only gauge by symptons.

Science is politicized, while it is the best tool we have, one must know when they are dealing with fact or political slant.
[/quote]

Wow.
[/quote]
50 years ago we had racial biology. The advances made by this, have allowed us to isolate illnesses by racial groups who had the highest propensity for an illness. Another advance was the ability to identify the race of a person by their skeletal remains which has proved invaluable in body identification for criminal justice.

Yet now many scientists have taken up a political flag that “RACE DOESN’T EXIST.”
Is this empirical? Are we going to stop using all these methods that have aided us then?

Show me the data and test that have allow a scientist to gauge SCIENTIFICALLY that a person is physically in possession of a female brain rather than a male one and I will believe you.

I’ll bet my bottom dollar you can’t.[/quote]

You`re amking like three different arguments… And they aren’t actually related. I suggested that you look it up so that you wouldn’t assume I was feeding you lies. You were talking about empirical evidence, so i tell you that it exists, then you change your mind and say that this so-called science can’t possibly be truly empirical. And tell me that science can’t test feelings…

That’s not even what I was telling you.

Please open your mind. That is all you have to do. I did. I searched for close to an hour for proof that male to female transexuals are more like men in their brain. In one study and in one aspect they aren’t more similar to women but still not the same as men… that’s the best I could do…

This is likely where you’ll use that to claim your victory… I’m done though, so go ahead and bite most of your words again, so that you can use this one piece of “brain science crap.”[/quote]
Kebvin, I am not against Transexuals. I’d be lying if I said I weren’t disgusted by them, but as for denying they feel the way they do, I don’t.

I am just cautious in saying something is ScIeNcZorZ like most sophomoric debaters do, because in my experience, this usually isn’t the case.

Science has not even determined the true differences between male and female brains outside of transexuals. With hormonal activity removed there is only a difference in white to gray matter composition which has much to do with cognitive ability and little do with gender. Especially considering that these are averages among the groups themselves and not a definite rule. Many Professors have been crucified for their findings because it is such a controversial issue.

My point is, if we haven’t even figured it out there, how the heck could we say we’ve figured it out in the aspect of transsexuals? That doesn’t make sense.

I have opened my mind, and that doesn’t involve creating elaborate pseudo-scientific fictions to support trendy political agendas.

I suggest you not open your mind, but instead train your mind to discern between the politically slanted and the truly scientific.

It is a prevalent issue nowadays, especially amongst much of the youth. Myself included, it is an ongoing struggle.

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FYI, nowadays, a man who is adamant about being a werewolf doesn’t suffer from a psychosis nor a neurotic fixation.
It’s just a member of the “otherkin community”.
Same thing for vampires, elves, etc.

I truly hope you have nothing against the legalization of the vampire/elf/werewolf polyfrivolous marriage. you archaic bigot.

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Well kebvin you responded so you understood something right? Now you know how us the majority feel when we do not understand trannies.

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[quote]kamui wrote:
FYI, nowadays, a man who is adamant about being a werewolf doesn’t suffer from a psychosis nor a neurotic fixation.
It’s just a member of the “otherkin community”.
Same thing for vampires, elves, etc.

I truly hope you have nothing against the legalization of the vampire/elf/werewolf polyfrivolous marriage. you archaic bigot. [/quote]
I sense sarcasm? It doesn’t translate well over the net. :wink:

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[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
I am genetically predisposed to going to town on them with a baseball bat.[/quote]

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
Not saying I would beat them with a baseball bat. I’ve been around 2 trannies, and that is how I’ve felt. Their smell is what truly offends me, it is confusing to the senses if they are undergoing hormonal surgery, and make something subconscious and instinctual make me want to kill them.
[/quote]

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
Kebvin, I am not against Transexuals.[/quote]

Sorry for the confusion.

[quote]Rohnyn wrote:
Science has not even determined the true differences between male and female brains… With hormonal activity removed there is only a difference in white to gray matter composition which has much to do with cognitive ability and little do with gender.
[/quote]

Actually it has more to with brain structure and proportions which are also different between males and females and which are the aspects of the brain that I looked for studies on. And found.

It’s fairly obvious that you are no longer exactly where you stood originally, but I know that you won’t admit it.

It just really pisses me off that some people can be so terribly judgemental, and intolerant. And I do understand this irony.

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What gets me is the double standard. When Obama appointed this freak, the left was saying “it doesn’t matter his/her gender preference or idenity, qualifications are all that matters.” When Gov. Spitzer had an affair with a woman, there was much weeping and gnashing of teeth, especially from the right, while the left was pretty much silent on it. The man was forced to resign. I find it strange because no one said about him “who he sleeps with doesn’t matter, as long as he can do the job.” That was because he was a heterosexual man that liked to sleep with women (not the amanda simpson kind of woman, real women, you know, the one’s born with vaginas).

However, had he had left his wife for a man, a transsexual woman, or maybe combined the two and left his wife for a transsexual man (female to male) he would’ve been applauded as a champion for tolerance and diversity, a parade would be thrown in his honor, a 50 ft high statue of his likeness made of gold and diamonds which every New Yorker would be required to make daily prayers and animal sacrifices to would be erected,and his name would only be spoken in hush and reverential tones. And the only opinions allowed would be the “right” opinions, the ones that celebrate diversity. And no one would dare call for him to resign, that I can assure you!

It’s a topsy turvy world. He get’s made to resign for having sex with a woman, just being a regular, heterosexual guy, but a freak of nature gets a position for being a freak of nature and we have to celebrate diversity. I can guarantee you if Spitzer had slept with a man or an ‘It’, he would still be governor.

In 75 or 100 years, straight people will be the ones who have to come out the closet.

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[quote]Rohnyn wrote:

[quote]kamui wrote:
FYI, nowadays, a man who is adamant about being a werewolf doesn’t suffer from a psychosis nor a neurotic fixation.
It’s just a member of the “otherkin community”.
Same thing for vampires, elves, etc.

I truly hope you have nothing against the legalization of the vampire/elf/werewolf polyfrivolous marriage. you archaic bigot. [/quote]
I sense sarcasm?[/quote]

yep.
but the “otherkin community” DO exist. really.

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