[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Pretty comfy in Norway?[/quote]
I bet you and I have it pretty comfy compared to the guy growing up in Gaza.
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Yeah, you going to head to Gaza and stand in front of their rocket launchers so the Israelis can just stay home like comfy little Norwegians?
[quote]Sloth wrote:<<< Pretty comfy in Norway?[/quote]Ain’t he special?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Pretty comfy in Norway?[/quote]
I bet you and I have it pretty comfy compared to the guy growing up in Gaza.
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Yeah, you going to head to Gaza and stand in front of their rocket launchers so the Israelis can just stay home like comfy little Norwegians?[/quote]
Oh you ignorant little prick 
the difference between me and some of the conservatives here is that I aknowledge that the palestinian side commits horrible acts and dont try do justife them, but when I react to justification of horrble acts commited by israel, then you come out of nowhere and act offended all of a sudden.
Here is a suggestion for yha, go dont to israel and palestina, and live one week as an palestianian citizen and one week as an israely citizen, then make up your mind. Or if that is to inconvinient for you, open up your cranium and aknowledge the fact that most people on earth do regarding this, and that is that the palestinians are living under much worse conditions than there israely counterpart and its because of that we choose to show compasion with the palestinian people. This doesnt however meen we dont aknowledge Israels right existence, but we do also aknowledge palestinas right to existence.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
“Rest of the world,” huh? I don’t want to hurt your feelings, but there is more to the world than you think, apparently . Have you ever spoken about this to a person from China? Burma? The Philipines? Korea? Only an idiot would say it wasn’t “horrible,” but that doesn’t make it unjustified.
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I bet Al-quada can justify the horrible act of 9/11, but I bet you and I can agree on that 9/11 cant be justified ever. well that also have I see the A-bomb over Japan.
If someone is planning an attack and knows that civillians are going to get killed, well then thats terrorism, and if that meens that all actions in war are terrorism, then so be it. Did I say in my last post that the term is muddy? yes I did.
If thats not inflicting terror, then I dont know what is!
If you bother to reread my original post, I did say that it is much more that defines america than this act, and with that implying that the term terrorist country or group for that matter is silly.
[quote]florelius wrote:<<< the Palestinians are living under much worse conditions than there Israeli counterpart and its because of that we choose to show compassion with the Palestinian people. This doesn’t however mean we don’t acknowledge Israels right existence, but we do also acknowledge Palestinians right to existence. >>>[/quote]Unfortunately the Palestinians do not recognize Israel’s right to exist. However, also unfortunately, I don’t see Israel giving me a lot of reasons to believe I would necessarily think differently were I a Palestinian. No amount or degree of land concessions will make any difference to the Palestinians. They will still want Israel dead so why would the Israelis do it? On the other hand Israel sorta controls the Palestinian territories and hence the Palestinians to a degree, but gives them no legal rights to speak of which they’d be nuts to do.
What is the answer? Nothing short of one or the other parties picking up and going FAR away will bring peace… period. The idea that they both can live there under any circumstances whatsoever is simply naive. Never happen.
[quote]florelius wrote:
2. What sexmachine is saying is just an opinion and not a fact, and that israel launched the attack on Gaza
well knowing the death and terror that would follow such an attack.[/quote]
What should Israel have done to stop the rocket bombardment? Don’t you think the rocket bombardment was done knowing Israel would eventually be forced to retaliate ‘and death and terror would follow?’
p.s. I accidently hit “report the post” instead of “quote the post” but I backed out of it. So if your post was reported, I did not mean it…
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Pretty comfy in Norway?[/quote]
I bet you and I have it pretty comfy compared to the guy growing up in Gaza.
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Yeah, you going to head to Gaza and stand in front of their rocket launchers so the Israelis can just stay home like comfy little Norwegians?[/quote]
Oh you ignorant little prick
the difference between me and some of the conservatives here is that I aknowledge that the palestinian side commits horrible acts and dont try do justife them, but when I react to justification of horrble acts commited by israel, then you come out of nowhere and act offended all of a sudden.
Here is a suggestion for yha, go dont to israel and palestina, and live one week as an palestianian citizen and one week as an israely citizen, then make up your mind. Or if that is to inconvinient for you, open up your cranium and aknowledge the fact that most people on earth do regarding this, and that is that the palestinians are living under much worse conditions than there israely counterpart and its because of that we choose to show compasion with the palestinian people. This doesnt however meen we dont aknowledge Israels right existence, but we do also aknowledge palestinas right to existence.
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I asked if you were going to stand in front of the launchers. You can sit up there in Norway and acknowledge this or that as much as you want. I want to know if you’ll spare Israel from having to offend your comfortable Norwegian sensibilites by putting your own body in front of the laucher of a Jihadi?
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Wow, what a wonderful way to water down the word “terrorist” till it has all but no meaning.
Have you ever been to Hiroshima? To the Peace Memorial Park? It’s something everyone should do. For many different reasons.
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or better yet, have you ever been to the Pearl Harbor memorial in Hawaii? The Japanese attacked us first, was this an act of war? Or does this make the Japanese Imperial Navy terrorists as well?
ps. hey mods, how about switching back the quote and report functions? I now understand why I made the mistake in the other post. They switched places.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:<<< the Palestinians are living under much worse conditions than there Israeli counterpart and its because of that we choose to show compassion with the Palestinian people. This doesn’t however mean we don’t acknowledge Israels right existence, but we do also acknowledge Palestinians right to existence. >>>[/quote]Unfortunately the Palestinians do not recognize Israel’s right to exist. However, also unfortunately, I don’t see Israel giving me a lot of reasons to believe I would necessarily think differently were I a Palestinian. No amount or degree of land concessions will make any difference to the Palestinians. They will still want Israel dead so why would the Israelis do it? On the other hand Israel sorta controls the Palestinian territories and hence the Palestinians to a degree, but gives them no legal rights to speak of which they’d be nuts to do.
What is the answer? Nothing short of one or the other parties picking and going FAR away will bring peace… period. The idea that they both can live there under any circumstances whatsoever is simply naive. Never happen.
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The situation is grim, no doubt about that. But I dont have an answer how this is going to be sesolved, many brights minds have tried, but well the situation is still bad.
This is purely personell opinion but what a heck: I think there is two possible scenarios that can help this situation:
The two state solution.
The one state solution. A israel where both Israel today and the palestinian territorys are one country and where both jews and arabs are equal. Because of the arab mayority taht would be if that happened, the jews should be protected by the constitution. I actually think this would be the best and I cant see why especially the misrahim jews and the arabs wouldt learn to live togheter.
In the end this is something the israely people and palestinians have to work out togheter, but the international community should in my oponion help them come closer to a peace agreement and shout out when one of the sides step out of line.
[quote]florelius wrote:
Because of the arab mayority taht would be if that happened, the jews should be protected by the constitution…[/quote]
Are you serious? They SHOULD be protected from the Islamic supremacism of Hamas and the like by a piece of paper? And exactly who will go in and start, once again, ‘blowing up arabs’ when they wipe their rear with this constitution? Norwegians?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Pretty comfy in Norway?[/quote]
I bet you and I have it pretty comfy compared to the guy growing up in Gaza.
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Yeah, you going to head to Gaza and stand in front of their rocket launchers so the Israelis can just stay home like comfy little Norwegians?[/quote]
Oh you ignorant little prick
the difference between me and some of the conservatives here is that I aknowledge that the palestinian side commits horrible acts and dont try do justife them, but when I react to justification of horrble acts commited by israel, then you come out of nowhere and act offended all of a sudden.
Here is a suggestion for yha, go dont to israel and palestina, and live one week as an palestianian citizen and one week as an israely citizen, then make up your mind. Or if that is to inconvinient for you, open up your cranium and aknowledge the fact that most people on earth do regarding this, and that is that the palestinians are living under much worse conditions than there israely counterpart and its because of that we choose to show compasion with the palestinian people. This doesnt however meen we dont aknowledge Israels right existence, but we do also aknowledge palestinas right to existence.
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I asked if you were going to stand in front of the launchers. You can sit up there in Norway and acknowledge this or that as much as you want. I want to know if you’ll spare Israel from having to offend your comfortable Norwegian sensibilites by putting your own body in front of the laucher of a Jihadi?
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The thing is that you do also sit comfy up in america and are offended by much, why are you allowed to get offended, but when I get offended, you call me out LOL.
This is a political debating forum btw, we are supposed to share our opinions, let me do that without you trying( but failing ) to give me a guilt trip over thinking that dead palestinian children are horrible.
If its any conselation, I think its horrible when israely kids are slaughtered to, but I dont need to talk much about that, because so many allready are doing it on this forum. Therefor its my job to show the other side to restore balance.
[quote]florelius wrote:
You mean Palestine.
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
I know this is a joke, but the sad truth is that many people think of muslims/arabs when they hear the word terrorist.[/quote]
I wonder what ever led them to associate the two? Perhaps it has something to do with the 17000+ seperate Islamist terrorist attacks since 9/11 carried out by Muslims, in the name of their religion and whilst yelling ‘Allahu Akbar’?
Perhaps if Hindus had flown commercial airliners into skyscrapers and committed 17000+ seperate terrorist attacks in the last decade yelling ‘om mani padme hum’ and claiming religious justification for said attacks we’d associate Hindus with terrorism? Or is that too far fetched?[/quote]
Funny you should mention hindus. There have been prognom like actions against muslims in India, carryed out by hindus. I will try to find a source if you dont believe.
You seem like a guy who knows history sexmachine, and you should therefor also know that the term terroist have been used against enemys in many occasions, the british called for example george washington a terrorist. And our arab friend on this site is partly right: muslim para-militarys are called terrorist when they fight soldiers( wich is not an act of terrorism ), while israely, american or norwegian military personel are called soldiers when they perform terrorist acts( the bombing of gaza a few years ago was most definitly an act of terrorism, because the goal was to inflict death and terror on the population of gaza to scare them ). I dont no wich definition of terrorism you use, but mine is: civillian targets with the goal of inflicting terror/fear in the enemys. with that definition USA is a terroist state becuase of the nuclear attack on hiroshima and nagazaki, but nobody in the west defines america as an terrorist state because of this terrorist act and other horrible acts. And that probably because USA and the other western countrys are allys and because what defines USA is much more than terrorism. The same is true for HAMAS, FATHA ect, theire friends probably dont call them terrorists. They are probably looked on as political movements. Also for them who know HAMAS and FATHA more closely than from the idiotbox. The point is that most military organisations( be it states or non-state organisations ) perform or have performed terrorist acts and if we should call one terrorist, we must call all terrorists if we want to stay consistent.
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You are trying way too much to draw comparisons just so you can equivalize. America didn’t just come along one day and drop a nuke on Japan without provocation or reason. There was a war going on that had been started by Japan and civilians in cities had been targeted for years. The government of Japan people in Nagasaki and Hiroshima had a reasonable expectation that they could be next at any time.
What makes a terrorist is using the freedom of movement in a civil society to set up attacks on people who have no reasonable expectation of being attacked. We don’t make muslims wear signs so we can identify them on the street and have check points to regularly search them. They are free to come and go unmolested in our society.
What you are calling para-militarys and comparing to our army are people who are not wearing a uniform so they can use the protection that is given to civilians to make sneak attacks and escape. Again it is an abuse of our civility. And NO these are not groups that are comparatively equal.
You claim that you are merely trying to maintain consistency, which is bollocks. You are deliberately trying to muddy the waters to the point that no one can say anyone is in the right or wrong, when that isn’t the case.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
2. What sexmachine is saying is just an opinion and not a fact, and that israel launched the attack on Gaza
well knowing the death and terror that would follow such an attack.[/quote]
What should Israel have done to stop the rocket bombardment? Don’t you think the rocket bombardment was done knowing Israel would eventually be forced to retaliate ‘and death and terror would follow?’
p.s. I accidently hit “report the post” instead of “quote the post” but I backed out of it. So if your post was reported, I did not mean it…[/quote]
No problem about the report incident.
When it comes to what Israel should have done, I dont know because I am not a general or similar remember, but they could have come up with another solution than collectively punish the palestinian people. Maybe sending in some special troops and snipe away those fuckers with rockets. Again I am not an military expert so if that suggestion seemed naive or just batshit idiotic, its because of that.
[quote]florelius wrote:
The thing is that you do also sit comfy up in america and are offended by much, why are you allowed to get offended, but when I get offended, you call me out LOL.
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I’m not the one pretending an ideology no less than Nazism, something you should understand, surrounds Israel. But you want Jihadi seeking bullets and bombs which turn into well-wishes when contact is made with non-combatant skin. Frankly, I think folks like yourself, comfortable inside borders only secured and uncontested by bloodshed, have dragged this conflict on for too damn long.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
The thing is that you do also sit comfy up in america and are offended by much, why are you allowed to get offended, but when I get offended, you call me out LOL.
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I’m not the one pretending an ideology no less than Nazism, something you should understand, surrounds Israel. But you want Jihadi seeking bullets and bombs which turn into well-wishes when contact is made with non-combatant skin. Frankly, I think folks like yourself, comfortable inside borders only secured and uncontested by bloodshed, have dragged this conflict on for too damn long. [/quote]
yhea I admit is all my fault. I and the folks like me did on purpose because we wanted those pesky little semites to fuck eachother up. ( sarcasme if anybodys detector is off )
What are you smoking Sloth? I want some, would be cool to live in a paralell universe just like you
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Pretty comfy in Norway?[/quote]
I bet you and I have it pretty comfy compared to the guy growing up in Gaza.
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Also more comfy than an Israeli living in a bomb shelter on the receiving end of the rockets that were being fired out of Gaza every day. While moralizing on the internet about how awful the Israelis are for finally doing something about it.
[quote]florelius wrote:
special troops and snipe away those fuckers with rockets. Again I am not an military expert so if that suggestion seemed naive or just batshit idiotic, its because of that.[/quote]
Yeah, the super duper sniper answer. Now I understand.
[quote]Sifu wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Pretty comfy in Norway?[/quote]
I bet you and I have it pretty comfy compared to the guy growing up in Gaza.
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Also more comfy than an Israeli living in a bomb shelter on the receiving end of the rockets that were being fired out of Gaza every day. While moralizing on the internet about how awful the Israelis are for finally doing something about it.
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Yes I am more comfy than the israely guy you where talking about, but so are you and most of us here.
But I`ll give you a choice: would you live in palestina or Israel?