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[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Lift,

No respect at all for our military? You’ve just insulted a whole lot of people and unjustly. Maybe you’d like to reevaluate that position. [/quote]

Nobody is exempt from insults.[/quote]

I just don’t appreciate the tone regarding our military. Nay sayers can say what they want, but if it were not for the US military the world would look totally different, and not for the better.[/quote]

I’m inclined to agree but wouldn’t you agree that the entities that should get the most critique/insults/parodying are the ones that are in power? The government gets plenty of that however the military whenever it receives all to many times do people come to the defense of it rather then at least listen to what they are critiquing.[/quote]

An honest critique is one thing, belittling the US military is quite another.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
An honest critique is one thing, belittling the US military is quite another.[/quote]

You do know that belittling is the primary training tool of the military?

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
An honest critique is one thing, belittling the US military is quite another.[/quote]

You do know that belittling is the primary training tool of the military?[/quote]

Judging from my experience it must have been alcohol.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
An honest critique is one thing, belittling the US military is quite another.[/quote]

You do know that belittling is the primary training tool of the military?[/quote]

Judging from my experience it must have been alcohol.
[/quote]

Alcohol is a coping tool.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
An honest critique is one thing, belittling the US military is quite another.[/quote]

You do know that belittling is the primary training tool of the military?[/quote]

But you’re not in the military. You are a civilian whose ultimate safe existence relies on the military.

And just so that we’re clear I’m not one of those guys who thinks that the military can do no wrong. Where ever there are human beings there will be an occasional wrong perpetrated. But over all the US military is all that keeps dictators, and terrorists from eventually entering your home and killing you.

Pretty simple.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
You are a civilian whose ultimate safe existence relies on the military.
[/quote]

This is an untruth.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
You are a civilian whose ultimate safe existence relies on the military.
[/quote]

This is an untruth.[/quote]

Really now then explain to me what you would do if every one of our men and women in the armed forces laid down their weapons and fled. What chance do you think you have against a terrorist group, or an armed invasion by another country?

All of your bravado would soon evaporate.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
You are a civilian whose ultimate safe existence relies on the military.
[/quote]

This is an untruth.[/quote]

Really now then explain to me what you would do if every one of our men and women in the armed forces laid down their weapons and fled. What chance do you think you have against a terrorist group, or an armed invasion by another country?

All of your bravado would soon evaporate.[/quote]

The US military causes the hatred that is directed at the US government which makes its citizens less safe.

It cannot keep me safe and at the same time make everyone else less safe – it is contradictory.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

‘What would they prove: that they know how to use violence to solve problems or that they are intellectually superior to all of us in PWI? If they want an intellectual fight they would probably be out matched but I am not going looking for fights either way – I really don’t care.’

  • So you’re intellectually superior to those who serve in the military too? It’s a good thing you don’t ‘go looking for fights either way’ or you’d be picking up your teeth off the floor and trying to comprehend what that Westpoint officer with half a dozen degrees said to you before he broke your nose.

‘There is nothing special about being in the military’;

  • We were talking about special forces. What makes them special in the military community? They take say, 500 guys from other branches of the military and PT them till there’s 20 left standing. Those 20 are then put through years of intense physical and mentally training. If they’re lucky they will get the chance to risk/lose their lives to protect your dumb arse and keep the freedom you have to talk bullshit, belittle them, brag about your ‘shiny badges’ and basically keep your head attached to your body and your sister/s/wife/daughter/s undefiled.

‘the only requirements to join the club are: take orders without questioning them’

  • Right, questioning orders. Good idea. Great way to keep discipline too:

Captain: Give me some cover I’m going in.

Private: Look I think we should question this. What if our rounds hit some innocent people over there near the enemy?..Captain? Um…Captain? Medic! Medic!

or

Captain: All right men advance!

Private(quivering): Um…don’t you think we should try to outflank them or something Sir? Better yet we could call in an airstrike. I really think we should reconsider this advance Sir. Actually, come to think of it I’m suffering from ‘battle fatigue’, I think I should go back to the field hospital again for more ‘treatment’. Any of you guys coming with me? I think the Captain’s wrong on this one.

‘I should know – I got the shiny badges to prove it.’

Yes of course you do sonny.

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[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

That in itself may be what gets him re-elected. People will look back on this and say “this motherfucker did his job and didn’t brag about it”.[/quote]

You didn’t see his speech then. I did these, I did that…[/quote]

I wish you could be banned for making up such blatant lies, suck on Limbaughs dick much?

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201105060008

“Actually, it wasnâ??t that hard to keep count. During Obamaâ??s entire 1,400-word address, he used â??I,â?? â??me,â?? and â??myâ?? approximately one dozen times. By contrast, Obamaâ??s address used â??we,â?? â??us,â?? and â??ourâ?? nearly seven dozen times Sunday night.”

Go fuck yourself and anybody else who criticizes the president on such a lame and bullshit claim.

Just because you felt like he said it alot doesn’t make it fact.[/quote]

Fuck yourself. He didn’t need to say it once. Taking credit one dozen times in a short speech is way over the top.

And go fuck yourself again.

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[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

That in itself may be what gets him re-elected. People will look back on this and say “this motherfucker did his job and didn’t brag about it”.[/quote]

You didn’t see his speech then. I did these, I did that…[/quote]

I wish you could be banned for making up such blatant lies, suck on Limbaughs dick much?

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201105060008

“Actually, it wasnÃ?¢??t that hard to keep count. During ObamaÃ?¢??s entire 1,400-word address, he used Ã?¢??I,Ã?¢?? Ã?¢??me,Ã?¢?? and Ã?¢??myÃ?¢?? approximately one dozen times. By contrast, ObamaÃ?¢??s address used Ã?¢??we,Ã?¢?? Ã?¢??us,Ã?¢?? and Ã?¢??ourÃ?¢?? nearly seven dozen times Sunday night.”

Go fuck yourself and anybody else who criticizes the president on such a lame and bullshit claim.

Just because you felt like he said it alot doesn’t make it fact.[/quote]

Fuck yourself. He didn’t need to say it once. Taking credit one dozen times in a short speech is way over the top.

And go fuck yourself again.[/quote]

LOL there is no point in arguing with you, and its pretty delusional for you to think that if a person is actively involved in a operation that he isn’t allowed to say “I”. How messed up is it in your head?

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
You are a civilian whose ultimate safe existence relies on the military.
[/quote]

This is an untruth.[/quote]

Really now then explain to me what you would do if every one of our men and women in the armed forces laid down their weapons and fled. What chance do you think you have against a terrorist group, or an armed invasion by another country?

All of your bravado would soon evaporate.[/quote]

The US military causes the hatred that is directed at the US government which makes its citizens less safe.

It cannot keep me safe and at the same time make everyone else less safe – it is contradictory.[/quote]

I fully understand the theory that you subscribe to and I could not disagree more. The world is a very complicated place. I am not going to change your mind on this message board. All I can say is that normally you’re a pretty smart guy. But, I’ll just place this one in the same category as you thinking Ron Paul can become President. That’s another topic which you are blind to.

Take care,

Zeb

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
But, I’ll just place this one in the same category as you thinking Ron Paul can become President…[/quote]

This is fucken hilarious lol.

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[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
But, I’ll just place this one in the same category as you thinking Ron Paul can become President…[/quote]

This is fucken hilarious lol.[/quote]

Glad I could make you smile kid.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Yeah by calling out the SEALs I was really bashing the entire special forces and intelligence community.[/quote]

‘Calling them out’? You can’t be serious. Go over to the war room section and ‘call them out’. Go on dickhead. They need to be brought down a level or two by Field Marshal LIFTICVSMAXIMVS.[/quote]

Eazy-peazy for ol’ Lifty.

Hell, the special forces ain’t so special. They’re really not very bright, and he could easily take them all in a verbal fight, a fire fight, a fist fight or even a pillow fight – and with one hand tied behind his back! Psshh! They ain’t shit, right Lift? Certainly nobody that the great Lifticus needs to have any respect for…

But then, who is? [/quote]

They are indeed very good at killing people.

Useful, but nothing to fawn over.

[/quote]
a big lawl at your ignorance of the spec ops community.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

‘What would they prove: that they know how to use violence to solve problems or that they are intellectually superior to all of us in PWI? If they want an intellectual fight they would probably be out matched but I am not going looking for fights either way – I really don’t care.’

  • So you’re intellectually superior to those who serve in the military too? It’s a good thing you don’t ‘go looking for fights either way’ or you’d be picking up your teeth off the floor and trying to comprehend what that Westpoint officer with half a dozen degrees said to you before he broke your nose.

‘There is nothing special about being in the military’;

  • We were talking about special forces. What makes them special in the military community? They take say, 500 guys from other branches of the military and PT them till there’s 20 left standing. Those 20 are then put through years of intense physical and mentally training. If they’re lucky they will get the chance to risk/lose their lives to protect your dumb arse and keep the freedom you have to talk bullshit, belittle them, brag about your ‘shiny badges’ and basically keep your head attached to your body and your sister/s/wife/daughter/s undefiled.

‘the only requirements to join the club are: take orders without questioning them’

  • Right, questioning orders. Good idea. Great way to keep discipline too:

Captain: Give me some cover I’m going in.

Private: Look I think we should question this. What if our rounds hit some innocent people over there near the enemy?..Captain? Um…Captain? Medic! Medic!

or

Captain: All right men advance!

Private(quivering): Um…don’t you think we should try to outflank them or something Sir? Better yet we could call in an airstrike. I really think we should reconsider this advance Sir. Actually, come to think of it I’m suffering from ‘battle fatigue’, I think I should go back to the field hospital again for more ‘treatment’. Any of you guys coming with me? I think the Captain’s wrong on this one.

‘I should know – I got the shiny badges to prove it.’

Yes of course you do sonny.[/quote]

hahahahahahaha

Nice fantasy.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

Aside from the possibility of him having useful information, I’m not sure what your basis is for saying he “deserved no trial”.

inb4 idiocy, yes I know he was a bad guy and he did bad things. He was a criminal and would have been found guilty, and put to death.[/quote]

Well, he deserved no civil trial because he had no colorable right to a trial. Certainly not a constitutional one.

And, he wasn’t simply a “criminal” - he was more than that, he was an enemy in a war.

If you’re convinced he’d be found guilty for sure, then there’d be no need for a trial in any event. Trials are supposed to present an opportunity for either side to win - if the result is a foregone conclusion, then what’s the point? It’s sham trial, a kangaroo court. It doesn’t accomplish what a trial is supposed to accomplish - it merely be a platform to speechify.

I would have been fine with a military tribunal. But most importantly, capture or kill, Obama should have not tod anyone for weeks.

Were Obama not so desperate to score political points by announcing OBL’s death so quickly, he would have been wise to take OBL alive, not tell anyone, and bleed him for intelligence. Once OBL had served his purpose, run him through a military tribunal and execute him. In the event of a kill (as it happened here), we could have stayed quiet, gathered intel and acted on it before al-Qaeda knew OBL has been compromised.

But Obama couldn’t wait to get on national television and announce OBL’s death - and while a good thing on its face, which I applaud (and Obama’s decision not to bomb the area was very smart), such a hasty announcement let other al-Qaeda get a head-start on changing their phone numbers and email addresses and skipping town before we had a chance to act on any useful intelligence from OBL’s capture/kill.

Politics, not military decisions, created that missed opportunity.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

Obama’s decision not to bomb the area was very smart

[/quote]

Common sense I would’ve thought. Bombing (drone attack - air-to-ground missile) on compound in the middle of largest military academy in Pakistan = bin Laden might survive and escape and intercontinental balistic missiles with nuclear warheads armed Pakistani military ‘not happy’ and ‘tensions increased’.