'Obama is a Racist'-Glenn Beck

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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I said during the campaign that I didn’t sense that Obama hated white people or persons. I still think that is true, but anybody who refuses to acknowledge that he is resentful and vindictive toward the United States of white America is deluded.

I’ve seen Beck’s show. He is goofy and over demonstrative, but the central thrust of his message, from what I’ve seen, is what millions of Americans, including myself have thought for years. Say what you want. He is an equal opportunity attack dog. He has no problem blasting Republicans too.

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[quote]Gregus wrote:
Research for yourself. It’s all facts but you can distort all you want.

Black people have an excellent talent to speaking and great oration. They are excellent at working their angle. They have now attained a level where even the Media is in handcuffs. NOONE will dare attack a black leader of questionable tactics or outright thinly hidden racism. Research it more for yourself. Noone can convince you. [/quote]

Hmm…so “speaking and great oration” has to be a talent for black people?? Does that talent supersede dancing and basketball?? And you’re calling Obama a racist.[/i]Well…you might be a…[/i]I’m just fucking with you,G.

Seriously,you should really think about how you worded that post. Wouldn’t want anyone to wrongfully accuse you of having a serious dislike for black people and liken them all to tricky swindlers. I truly don’t think you are…I’m just saying,considering the topic at hand and the FACT of your own words.

Anyways…maybe your facts are distortions based on what you want to believe. Not saying with conviction that this is the case…but can you honestly say that this is not humanly possible?? Especially when there are IN FACT…no FACTS in Obama’s personal actions/words that prove he is a racist. Shouldn’t the burden of proof be on the accuser?? What has Obama specifically done himself that shows he is in FACT a racist?

Yeah,he was misinformed and made an un-wise,stupid decision to say cops acted “stupidly” in Gates’ arrest. But is this worthy to be lumped in with other “burden’s of proof” to say he is in FACT a racist??

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Gregus wrote:
Research for yourself. It’s all facts but you can distort all you want.

Black people have an excellent talent to speaking and great oration. They are excellent at working their angle. They have now attained a level where even the Media is in handcuffs. NOONE will dare attack a black leader of questionable tactics or outright thinly hidden racism. Research it more for yourself. Noone can convince you.

Hmm…so “speaking and great oration” has to be a talent for black people?? Does that talent supersede dancing and basketball?? And you’re calling Obama a racist.[/i]Well…you might be a…[/i]I’m just fucking with you,G.

Seriously,you should really think about how you worded that post. Wouldn’t want anyone to wrongfully accuse you of having a serious dislike for black people and liken them all to tricky swindlers. I truly don’t think you are…I’m just saying,considering the topic at hand and the FACT of your own words.

Anyways…maybe your facts are distortions based on what you want to believe. Not saying with conviction that this is the case…but can you honestly say that this is not humanly possible?? Especially when there are IN FACT…no FACTS in Obama’s personal actions/words that prove he is a racist. Shouldn’t the burden of proof be on the accuser?? What has Obama specifically done himself that shows he is in FACT a racist?

Yeah,he was misinformed and made an un-wise,stupid decision to say cops acted “stupidly” in Gates’ arrest. But is this worthy to be lumped in with other “burden’s of proof” to say he is in FACT a racist?? [/quote]

You are correct. I would not be able to prove it yet. However, if we spend a few months in Rev Wrights Church sermons, maybe we could understand a bit more.

For me, the fact that he grew up in this guys pews and stayed for 20 plus years shows enough for me the distain he MAY hold against American whites and Jews. That right there would land any Republican in hot water he can’t cool down.

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So after a good nights sleep I read the first post again Bill, and I’m sticking to what I meant. You didn’t really comment on my post but rather my frusteration and you’re distaste for “intolerance”. The fact that you intolerantly displayed your taste for my intolerance was Ironic. Yes it was Bill, really.

To clarify: It does not make me angry that Glenn accused the president of being a racist, If someone believes that there’s probably nothing I could ever say to change it. After all, there is some evidence one could look at to find that conclusion.

What I’m angry about is this: Politics are so polarized In America that most people literally hold hatred for the opposing party, and it’s do in part to the not so friendly people on Fox news. Glenn’s accusations are part of a larger issue stemming from political apartheid and intolerance and both sides are responsible. You clearly showed that by putting words in my mouth, and making accusations for my supposed party affiliation. You accuse democrats of being intolerant while millions of republicans are grinding there teeth over abortion and same sex marriages knowing themselves to be true, going so far as to call the president on a “respected news network” a racist. That is the issue Bill, and I want to talk about it.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
I didn’t see the clip. Couldn’t really care less what Glenn Beck said. What, he said Obama was a racist?

Yes, nothing like the modern day liberal and his “tolerance” for expression or even possession of opinions he doesn’t agree with.

Boo-hoo, an opinion was expressed that you don’t agree with. The person responsible should be fired.

I laughed, and I rarely laugh when reading. If I knew your address I’d send you a cold 6 pack of Pabst and some hot wings.[/quote]

I laughed just as hard when I thought about how you attacked homosexuality as a crime against nature in a post. Is that an example of the tolerant republican way? Or is it an example of “treating others the way we want to be treated”? Of course in that case you can’t fire a homosexual, you send them straight to hell to burn for eternity. Am I right Brother Chris? Is this your tolerance you and your chum buddy Bill hold so dear?

Or is intolerance universal???

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Why don’t you try documenting your claim that supposedly I put words in your mouth: you’ll find that anything I didn’t know you said or thought, I made clear that I did not know it but only that it seemed to fit, and never ascribed words to you that you did not say.

Whereas, of course, you repeatedly did so with me. I pointed out many examples along the way.

And you did with Beck as well, quoting him as calling an Obama an SOB in the clip, and so forth.

So you are being completely ridiculous in that regard. As you are in claiming that someone pointing out that you are intolerant of others having and expressing opinions you don’t like, is itself intolerant: no one is allowed to point that out I guess. Really that is getting beyond ridiculous.

As for claiming that you are not angry about Beck calling Obama a racist, but about polarization: Clearly you don’t get that the actual source of the polarization is people like you being so worked up about others having and expressing opinions you don’t agree with.

If you weren’t, and others weren’t, you’d just consider Beck stupid and that would be that. Rather than the fit that you threw.

It’s clear that you have no substance to offer on this, just false claims about me to go along with other things that are just more of the same as your original post. Therefore, 'bye now.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

I still think Beck was dumb for saying it on the air.

The defense of the president in the clip was in my opinion dumber than calling the sitting president a racist. Suddenly he’s “half white”. Suddenly, when it’s convenient, they start to identify him with the white race. And somehow being half white makes it impossible for him to be racist against whites.

Word on the street is that Hitler was part Jewish. I guess that means he wasn’t antisemitic after all. That is such a dumb argument.

You notice they didn’t in any way directly address the claim of racism based on his actions, because it’s pretty evident by his actions that he is. At least Beck is basing his judgments, right or wrong, on actions and facts rather than skin color.[/quote]

Well, he was raised by his white mother which would have certainly made thanksgiving pretty awkward when his mom would ask him if he wanted any fried turkey.

And yeah, I agree 100% that it’s dumb to make a statement like that on the air where you can’t make a case for your statement. If he had written an essay about it at least it would open room for discussion.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I said during the campaign that I didn’t sense that Obama hated white people or persons. I still think that is true, but anybody who refuses to acknowledge that he is resentful and vindictive toward the United States of white America is deluded.

I’ve seen Beck’s show. He is goofy and over demonstrative, but the central thrust of his message, from what I’ve seen, is what millions of Americans, including myself have thought for years. Say what you want. He is an equal opportunity attack dog. He has no problem blasting Republicans too.[/quote]

He says so in his book. He took a couple of white friends to a party where everyone else was black. No one would interact with the white kids at all, giving them the ‘cold shoulder’, so they left. Obama got pissed at the white kids for leaving!! “OMG, they leaving — they must be racists!!”

Barack Hussein Obama is an absolute disaster-in-the-making for this country and I’d bet hard money that he’ll wind up with some of the lowest popularity numbers of any POTUS, fighting it out with James Buchanon for lowest man on the totem pole.

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Gregus wrote:
Research for yourself. It’s all facts but you can distort all you want.

Black people have an excellent talent to speaking and great oration. They are excellent at working their angle. They have now attained a level where even the Media is in handcuffs. NOONE will dare attack a black leader of questionable tactics or outright thinly hidden racism. Research it more for yourself. Noone can convince you.

Hmm…so “speaking and great oration” has to be a talent for black people?? Does that talent supersede dancing and basketball?? And you’re calling Obama a racist.[/i]Well…you might be a…[/i]I’m just fucking with you,G.

Seriously,you should really think about how you worded that post. Wouldn’t want anyone to wrongfully accuse you of having a serious dislike for black people and liken them all to tricky swindlers. I truly don’t think you are…I’m just saying,considering the topic at hand and the FACT of your own words.

Anyways…maybe your facts are distortions based on what you want to believe. Not saying with conviction that this is the case…but can you honestly say that this is not humanly possible?? Especially when there are IN FACT…no FACTS in Obama’s personal actions/words that prove he is a racist. Shouldn’t the burden of proof be on the accuser?? What has Obama specifically done himself that shows he is in FACT a racist?

Yeah,he was misinformed and made an un-wise,stupid decision to say cops acted “stupidly” in Gates’ arrest. But is this worthy to be lumped in with other “burden’s of proof” to say he is in FACT a racist??

You are correct. I would not be able to prove it yet. However, if we spend a few months in Rev Wrights Church sermons, maybe we could understand a bit more.

For me, the fact that he grew up in this guys pews and stayed for 20 plus years shows enough for me the distain he MAY hold against American whites and Jews. That right there would land any Republican in hot water he can’t cool down.
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My main point, which I tried to make clear right off the bat but perhaps became less clear when dealing with the OP’s misquotes of Beck, is that with regard to the OP’s post, it doesn’t matter whether Beck is right or not.

His opinion could be completely stupid and baseless.

The mindset of extreme opposition shown by the OP, and anyone else who does the same, to a stupid, baseless, and wrong (whether that be the case or not) negative statement about a politician of whom they don’t want such statements being made, to the extent of calling for firing and claiming that such things being expressed is divisive to the country or society, is a far worse problem than stupid opinions being expressed.

Stupid and/or wrong opinions will always be with us. Some of them will even, unknowingly, be our own, from time to time.

Far better to have a society where stupid opinions get their fair airing in the free market of ideas, than where hysteric politically-correct “thinkers” demand that thoughts they do not like about their Leader should not be expressed, that it is a horror if they are (not a specific word of the poster but fits in with the general rhetoric), and that sanctions should be taken if such things are publicly expressed.

Such as firing anyone who said the negative thing about the Leader that the correct people don’t like hearing.

When/if people like that become a majority, things will be really dangerous. With all their complaints about how speech they disagree with is “polarizing” and this is bad, the truth is that it is their hysteria against (or fear of loss of group power from) the airing of thoughts they don’t like that truly is the polarizing and society-damaging factor.

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Glen Beck is a little DICK that loves to feed the RETARDLICANS some more material to spew.
Meaning no dispersions to the mentally handicapped

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Why don’t you try documenting your claim that supposedly I put words in your mouth: you’ll find that anything I didn’t know you said or thought, I made clear that I did not know it but only that it seemed to fit, and never ascribed words to you that you did not say.

Whereas, of course, you repeatedly did so with me. I pointed out many examples along the way.

And you did with Beck as well, quoting him as calling an Obama an SOB in the clip, and so forth.

So you are being completely ridiculous in that regard. As you are in claiming that someone pointing out that you are intolerant of others having and expressing opinions you don’t like, is itself intolerant: no one is allowed to point that out I guess. Really that is getting beyond ridiculous.

As for claiming that you are not angry about Beck calling Obama a racist, but about polarization: Clearly you don’t get that the actual source of the polarization is people like you being so worked up about others having and expressing opinions you don’t agree with.

If you weren’t, and others weren’t, you’d just consider Beck stupid and that would be that. Rather than the fit that you threw.

It’s clear that you have no substance to offer on this, just false claims about me to go along with other things that are just more of the same as your original post. Therefore, 'bye now.

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Well first of all, you called me a democrat. I’m sorry but you’re incorrect : (

Then you accused me of ranting on a topic about intolerance, saying that I am in fact intolerant. Swing and a miss champ : (

As for the misquotation, I’m laughing a little bit. That really bothered you? I thought when I said “or something similar” you would get the hint it was not exact.

And as for having nothing to offer on this subject, I have repeatedly asked you to talk about the subject i started in the first post relating to why politics is so hatefully segregated. And again I mention the irony that you won’t talk about this with me without making accusations or Straw Man defenses.

I’m a peaceful loving young man that has never committed an act out of intolerance in my life. Really, I can say that. Sometimes I think violently or intolerently, but that’s okay. I’ve got many conservative friends that hold different opinions than my own and I do try to grow from that. Just last night I was thinking to myself “have I ever reacted intolerently to an individual like beck in person, or why might i have problems with people like Beck when I hear them speak”.

The fact that you’re walking away with a frown on your face paints a sad picture. Sorry, but the discussion must go on, I hope you’ll reconsider!

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Gregus wrote:
Research for yourself. It’s all facts but you can distort all you want.

Black people have an excellent talent to speaking and great oration. They are excellent at working their angle. They have now attained a level where even the Media is in handcuffs. NOONE will dare attack a black leader of questionable tactics or outright thinly hidden racism. Research it more for yourself. Noone can convince you.

Hmm…so “speaking and great oration” has to be a talent for black people?? Does that talent supersede dancing and basketball?? And you’re calling Obama a racist.[/i]Well…you might be a…[/i]I’m just fucking with you,G.

Seriously,you should really think about how you worded that post. Wouldn’t want anyone to wrongfully accuse you of having a serious dislike for black people and liken them all to tricky swindlers. I truly don’t think you are…I’m just saying,considering the topic at hand and the FACT of your own words.

Anyways…maybe your facts are distortions based on what you want to believe. Not saying with conviction that this is the case…but can you honestly say that this is not humanly possible?? Especially when there are IN FACT…no FACTS in Obama’s personal actions/words that prove he is a racist. Shouldn’t the burden of proof be on the accuser?? What has Obama specifically done himself that shows he is in FACT a racist?

Yeah,he was misinformed and made an un-wise,stupid decision to say cops acted “stupidly” in Gates’ arrest. But is this worthy to be lumped in with other “burden’s of proof” to say he is in FACT a racist??

You are correct. I would not be able to prove it yet. However, if we spend a few months in Rev Wrights Church sermons, maybe we could understand a bit more.

For me, the fact that he grew up in this guys pews and stayed for 20 plus years shows enough for me the distain he MAY hold against American whites and Jews. That right there would land any Republican in hot water he can’t cool down.

My main point, which I tried to make clear right off the bat but perhaps became less clear when dealing with the OP’s misquotes of Beck, is that with regard to the OP’s post, it doesn’t matter whether Beck is right or not.

His opinion could be completely stupid and baseless.

The mindset of extreme opposition shown by the OP, and anyone else who does the same, to a stupid, baseless, and wrong (whether that be the case or not) negative statement about a politician of whom they don’t want such statements being made, to the extent of calling for firing and claiming that such things being expressed is divisive to the country or society, is a far worse problem than stupid opinions being expressed.

Stupid and/or wrong opinions will always be with us. Some of them will even, unknowingly, be our own, from time to time.

Far better to have a society where stupid opinions get their fair airing in the free market of ideas, than where hysteric politically-correct “thinkers” demand that thoughts they do not like about their Leader should not be expressed, that it is a horror if they are (not a specific word of the poster but fits in with the general rhetoric), and that sanctions should be taken if such things are publicly expressed.

Such as firing anyone who said the negative thing about the Leader that the correct people don’t like hearing.

When/if people like that become a majority, things will be really dangerous. With all their complaints about how speech they disagree with is “polarizing” and this is bad, the truth is that is their hysteria against (or fear of loss of group power from) the airing of thoughts they don’t
like that truly is the polarizing and society-damaging factor. [/quote]

I’m not sure where you thought I disagreed with you, but I don’t think that he should be fired for his opinion. As a reporter it’s his job to present news in an unbiased way, not necessarily his thoughts on the matter. The word Racist is a REALLY BIG insult for a lot of people because it like calling somebody intolerant, so if he says something like that on anews program he should back it up. Otherwise, he’s just insulting the president and lowering the quality of the news which is important.

Most people don’t like being called Intolerant including myself. But as always, you are entitled to your opinion.

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[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
Well first of all, you called me a democrat. I’m sorry but you’re incorrect : (

Then you accused me of ranting on a topic about intolerance, saying that I am in fact intolerant. Swing and a miss champ : (

As for the misquotation, I’m laughing a little bit. That really bothered you? I thought when I said “or something similar” you would get the hint it was not exact.

And as for having nothing to offer on this subject, I have repeatedly asked you to talk about the subject i started in the first post relating to why politics is so hatefully segregated. And again I mention the irony that you won’t talk about this with me without making accusations or Straw Man defenses.

I’m a peaceful loving young man that has never committed an act out of intolerance in my life. Really, I can say that. Sometimes I think violently or intolerently, but that’s okay. I’ve got many conservative friends that hold different opinions than my own and I do try to grow from that. Just last night I was thinking to myself “have I ever reacted intolerently to an individual like beck in person, or why might i have problems with people like Beck when I hear them speak”.

The fact that you’re walking away with a frown on your face paints a sad picture. Sorry, but the discussion must go on, I hope you’ll reconsider!
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Intolerant:
" 1: unable or unwilling to endure2 a: unwilling to grant equal freedom of expression especially in religious matters b: unwilling to grant or share social, political, or professional rights : bigoted3: exhibiting physiological intolerance "

You donâ??t think beck should be allowed to freely express himself even considering no one is forced to listen (especially given the lack of criticism for the media and political personalities on the other side). That is intolerance.

Beck holding the opinion, based on actions and circumstantial evidence, that Obama is racist is in no way intolerant.

But once again, as Bill continuously points out you continue to exhibit no substance in your posts.

I would just like to end this by quoting Obamaâ??s original comment about Crowely, â??Damn power tripping redneck white cop trying to keep black men down!â?? Or something similar. How can you defend that as not racist?

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
<<< Seriously,you should really think about how you worded that post. Wouldn’t want anyone to wrongfully accuse you of having a serious dislike for black people and liken them all to tricky swindlers. I truly don’t think you are…I’m just saying,considering the topic at hand and the FACT of your own words. >>>[/quote]

It’s statements like this that continue to bolster your credibility to me no matter how wrong you still are sometimes.

You just demonstrated a willingness to assume the best of somebody despite the woeful construction of their statement. I’d be the very first to come to your defense if someone were to accuse you of racism because of this attitude that you have consistently shown here.

Barack Obama on the other hand, after declaring his own ignorance of the circumstances surrounding the Gates/Crowley debacle proceeds to the most animated and enthusiastic display of that whole boring press conference in form of the denunciation of a white policeman who he flatly assumed MUST have been busting a black man’s chops. It fell from his lips as naturally as could be because that’s who he is. His record only makes that conclusion all the more unavoidable.

YOU wouldn’t have done that. You have to see this. I just can’t believe you don’t.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:

You don�¢??t think beck should be allowed to freely express himself even considering no one is forced to listen (especially given the lack of criticism for the media and political personalities on the other side). That is intolerance.

Beck holding the opinion, based on actions and circumstantial evidence, that Obama is racist is in no way intolerant.

But once again, as Bill continuously points out you continue to exhibit no substance in your posts.

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Bill, this is your example of words being put in my mouth. What on gods green earth makes you think I would surpress a mans opinion? I never said that.

But again, I’M NOT MAKING the argument that he should be fired. I’m trying to start a discussion about why politics is so segregated that guys like Beck, Bill Roberts, and maybe even you insult and demonize the other party as was shown when Bill likened intolerance to Democrats. That is the most insulting “OPINION” i’ve heard in a while.

Bill has insulted me, told me to shut up, and said that democrats are responsible for intolerance while I’m simultaneously trying to start a topic about the prevalence of intolerance and hatred in politics. It’s the most Ironic and pathetic thing I’ve ever seen and has definitely shown me why their is such animosity in politics.

Perhaps I could have been more exact with my words, but good god. This entire thread has literally been an attack on me.

Edit: you’re imitation of my quote is preposterously out of proportion. You and Bill have got issues. At Least guys like Push Harder i can talk with

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Schlenkatank wrote:

Okay, I’ve never really been a fan of Fox News in the past, but this was just ridiculous. I’ve been watching more and more shows like the O’reilly Factor and Fox and Friends, and the more I watch them the more my blood pressure rises. I’m wondering what people think of this and if this trend in the separation of left and right ideals is becoming dangerously pronounced. If people actually support Beck on this one, this seems an ominous sign of the role of political ideas affecting our social structure. To me, this clip shows deep seeded distrust, hatred, and almost outward aggression from the conservative media rather than one mans opinion of the president.

Almost as vicous as Olbermann and Garofalo in the liberal media.

Sure, I wouldn’t pretend to say that guys like Maher or whatever are responsible. What i am contending is that the shows these men put on can only be interpreted one way. You can’t be a respected journalist and make these kinds of statements, and i believe that this one just about tops them all.

I don’t know, painting Michele Steele as some sort of self-loathing Uncle Tom is at least a tie. Janeane Garofalo - Racial Attack Against Michael Steele - YouTube

i understood what she was trying to say… but no way is that responsible while on the air. Just because minorities generally aren’t republicans doesn’t mean they are self loathing if they are.

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Allow me to be more direct with my quotation.

“if this man isn’t fired for just throwing around the term “racist”, it signifies either a general lack of mindfulness in the American population or a cultural collapse.”

I’m sorry, I took this as a call to action rather than just the anecdotal notation of an societal indicator I hope you can understand how I got the idea you wanted him silenced and hence thought you intolerant.

I would also like to note that the way you related the beck rant and his so called intolerance to the “conservative media” is what began the left vs. right nature of the thread.

“To me, this clip shows deep seeded distrust, hatred, and almost outward aggression from the conservative media rather than one mans opinion of the president.”

You pretty much accused conservatives of intolerance and “seeded distrust, hatred, and almost outward aggression”, or at least that is the way it sounded to me. If you don’t want a confrontational political ideology debate, I would start with accusations like that. I’d also like to note I never so much as commented on that part of the debate until now.

Lastly as far as I know bills retorts about dems has been nothing more than a rebuttal of your initial accusation about conservatives and the hypocrisy of the statement. And once again if you don’t want someone debating the point and your opinion, you shouldn’t post the statement to begin with.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Gregus wrote:
Research for yourself. It’s all facts but you can distort all you want.

Black people have an excellent talent to speaking and great oration. They are excellent at working their angle. They have now attained a level where even the Media is in handcuffs. NOONE will dare attack a black leader of questionable tactics or outright thinly hidden racism. Research it more for yourself. Noone can convince you.

Hmm…so “speaking and great oration” has to be a talent for black people?? Does that talent supersede dancing and basketball?? And you’re calling Obama a racist.[/i]Well…you might be a…[/i]I’m just fucking with you,G.

Seriously,you should really think about how you worded that post. Wouldn’t want anyone to wrongfully accuse you of having a serious dislike for black people and liken them all to tricky swindlers. I truly don’t think you are…I’m just saying,considering the topic at hand and the FACT of your own words.

Anyways…maybe your facts are distortions based on what you want to believe. Not saying with conviction that this is the case…but can you honestly say that this is not humanly possible?? Especially when there are IN FACT…no FACTS in Obama’s personal actions/words that prove he is a racist. Shouldn’t the burden of proof be on the accuser?? What has Obama specifically done himself that shows he is in FACT a racist?

Yeah,he was misinformed and made an un-wise,stupid decision to say cops acted “stupidly” in Gates’ arrest. But is this worthy to be lumped in with other “burden’s of proof” to say he is in FACT a racist?? [/quote]

LOL, see what’s been done to our thinking? You can’t even compliment a black person on anything, neither individually or as a people. That sucks. Hope you just had an epiphany about that.

For Example, you can tell a German, they’re great engineers. Or Asians that they’re great at math or something. Black people have reached such a level of paranoia and insecurity that we literally can;t even say anything positive about them. Again sucks.

And Great Oration is a gift not to be dismissed. We all communicate with words and those who can send a message in a powerful way can often sway people to their side. It’s the most important talent for a Layer to have. And that’s what’s behind the compliment of great oration.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Gregus wrote:
Research for yourself. It’s all facts but you can distort all you want.

Black people have an excellent talent to speaking and great oration. They are excellent at working their angle. They have now attained a level where even the Media is in handcuffs. NOONE will dare attack a black leader of questionable tactics or outright thinly hidden racism. Research it more for yourself. Noone can convince you.

Hmm…so “speaking and great oration” has to be a talent for black people?? Does that talent supersede dancing and basketball?? And you’re calling Obama a racist.[/i]Well…you might be a…[/i]I’m just fucking with you,G.

Seriously,you should really think about how you worded that post. Wouldn’t want anyone to wrongfully accuse you of having a serious dislike for black people and liken them all to tricky swindlers. I truly don’t think you are…I’m just saying,considering the topic at hand and the FACT of your own words.

Anyways…maybe your facts are distortions based on what you want to believe. Not saying with conviction that this is the case…but can you honestly say that this is not humanly possible?? Especially when there are IN FACT…no FACTS in Obama’s personal actions/words that prove he is a racist. Shouldn’t the burden of proof be on the accuser?? What has Obama specifically done himself that shows he is in FACT a racist?

Yeah,he was misinformed and made an un-wise,stupid decision to say cops acted “stupidly” in Gates’ arrest. But is this worthy to be lumped in with other “burden’s of proof” to say he is in FACT a racist??

You are correct. I would not be able to prove it yet. However, if we spend a few months in Rev Wrights Church sermons, maybe we could understand a bit more.

For me, the fact that he grew up in this guys pews and stayed for 20 plus years shows enough for me the distain he MAY hold against American whites and Jews. That right there would land any Republican in hot water he can’t cool down.

My main point, which I tried to make clear right off the bat but perhaps became less clear when dealing with the OP’s misquotes of Beck, is that with regard to the OP’s post, it doesn’t matter whether Beck is right or not.

His opinion could be completely stupid and baseless.

The mindset of extreme opposition shown by the OP, and anyone else who does the same, to a stupid, baseless, and wrong (whether that be the case or not) negative statement about a politician of whom they don’t want such statements being made, to the extent of calling for firing and claiming that such things being expressed is divisive to the country or society, is a far worse problem than stupid opinions being expressed.

Stupid and/or wrong opinions will always be with us. Some of them will even, unknowingly, be our own, from time to time.

Far better to have a society where stupid opinions get their fair airing in the free market of ideas, than where hysteric politically-correct “thinkers” demand that thoughts they do not like about their Leader should not be expressed, that it is a horror if they are (not a specific word of the poster but fits in with the general rhetoric), and that sanctions should be taken if such things are publicly expressed.

Such as firing anyone who said the negative thing about the Leader that the correct people don’t like hearing.

When/if people like that become a majority, things will be really dangerous. With all their complaints about how speech they disagree with is “polarizing” and this is bad, the truth is that it is their hysteria against (or fear of loss of group power from) the airing of thoughts they don’t like that truly is the polarizing and society-damaging factor. [/quote]

The US is getting like this more and more. Soon you may have the authorities come for a visit if someone overhears you saying something out of line. We’re headed down that path unless PC movement is stopped. It poisons how people think, the speaking part is the after effect. PC’s primary agenda is to change thinking. We all think in a language and by ostracizing you certain speech you learn to not speak it, when you don’t speak it you think about it less and less. It’s a long process that may take a generation or so and society changes, IF it was successfully implemented on a large enough scale.

Welcome to Social engineering.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Allow me to be more direct with my quotation.

“if this man isn’t fired for just throwing around the term “racist”, it signifies either a general lack of mindfulness in the American population or a cultural collapse.”

I’m sorry, I took this as a call to action rather than just the anecdotal notation of an societal indicator I hope you can understand how I got the idea you wanted him silenced and hence thought you intolerant.

I would also like to note that the way you related the beck rant and his so called intolerance to the “conservative media” is what began the left vs. right nature of the thread.

“To me, this clip shows deep seeded distrust, hatred, and almost outward aggression from the conservative media rather than one mans opinion of the president.”

You pretty much accused conservatives of intolerance and “seeded distrust, hatred, and almost outward aggression”, or at least that is the way it sounded to me. If you don’t want a confrontational political ideology debate, I would start with accusations like that. I’d also like to note I never so much as commented on that part of the debate until now.

Lastly as far as I know bills retorts about dems has been nothing more than a rebuttal of your initial accusation about conservatives and the hypocrisy of the statement. And once again if you don’t want someone debating the point and your opinion, you shouldn’t post the statement to begin with.
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I will admit that the first quote is a bit instigative, however I think that if katy kouric called Bush a Racist on Live t.v. without substantial proof that she should be fired. It’s irresponsible reporting and is heavily biased, nuff said.

And no, I accused the conservative media of “deep seeded mistrust”. I couldn’t possibly accuse Joe shmoe republican of being hateful, it’s not right. Fox News is about the shadiest most irresponsible reporting there is due to guys like Beck who make wild claims that are almost impossible to prove. He can think whatever he wants, but it is irresponsible to broadcast an unprovable accusation on the news.

This was not intended to be a “left vs. right” thread, but more of a “I think the aggression of left Vs. Right stems from this D bag in the clip”.
You have to remember that a lot of conservative America doesn’t interact with real Dems ever, which I think is socially harmful to America. And that’s why people like Beck have such an important role, to responsibly cast the news without bias or to at least offer other perspectives.

Personally, I think the role of a journalist should be to ask, seek out, and identify all possible answers to a topic before personally weighing in. Guys like beck or O’reilly scoff and shout off ideas different than the ones they’ve thought for years.