[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote] smh_23 wrote:
And yet there remains exactly no evidence for the central contention of this thread…
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So you think 16+ of Obama’s top campaign staff and a spidersweb of Obama frontgroups doesn’t constitute evidence?[/quote]
Their having used to work for him and now running Left political consultancies as evidence that he is sending them despite his not employing them? It’s not that I don’t think that constitutes evidence, it’s that it doesn’t constitute evidence.
Again, there is literally no difference, vis-a-vis whether or not Obama is meddling, between Bird and the handful of GOP operatives currently working the Israeli election.[/quote]
Onevoice was receiving state department funds up until 3 months ago by the state department’s admission. They(Onevoice) refuse to disclose the source of the funding or provide any accounting. Israeli Labor is insisting that they have no connection to v15 or onevoice. So who is paying Bird’s salary? I’m sure he doesn’t come cheap. And all the other Obama campaigners who just happen to be working to ensure Netanyahu loses? As I said, I think you’re being naive. It’s obvious what’s going on here and I don’t see the point in denying it.
And there are big differences as I’ve stated. Netanyahu receives funds from Sheldon Adelson. He doesn’t deny it. Such funding is subject to domestic political financing law. Clinton supported Shimon Peres. It was open and above board, as is Cruz’s support for Netanyahu. Obama denies any involvement with v15/onevoice, their funding is undisclosed(but we know they received public funds up until recently), he(Obama) said he wouldn’t meet with Netanyahu because he didn’t want to interfere in Israeli elections. And as I said, there’s a difference between a politician openly supporting a candidate and a politician’s campaign staff working to ensure one particular candidate loses - all done in secret; secret funding, denying involvement, taxpayer funds etc.[/quote]
– Again: the State Department grants having been received for what Bird says is unrelated work on the I-P conflict, his organization shouldn’t be participating, and may be barred from doing so under Israeli law – but this isn’t evidence of what you’re alleging.
– To question the source of funding is not to evidence Barack Obama’s being that source. You are aware of this.
– With regard to this:
You forgot or chose to omit the operative word: former campaign staff. If they were his campaign staff plainly, he would by definition be meddling. Because they are not, the accusation that he is meddling requires some, you know, evidence. And the Cruz analogy is not related to Cruz’s openly supporting anybody – it is about his former campaign staff (note the literally exact relationship between Cruz/Harris and Obama/Bird) “working to ensure one particular candidate loses.”
Questions and insinuations are not evidence. Perhaps we will discover that Obama sent Bird to Israel, or that the State Department is funding Bird’s present excursion with Obama’s approval/knowledge. Until we do, the central contention of this thread remains evidentiarily baseless.