[quote]Christine wrote:
rainjack wrote:
I misspoke.
Did it hurt?[/quote]
Not like I thought it would.
[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
Sifu wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Vegita wrote:
Look I’m not familiar with the law, nor do I care all that much. I’m pretty sure if Obama is a terrorist in disguise, the secret service will be able to handle him when he starts going bonkers. I mean the presedent doesn’t even carry a gun (unless he is quale hunting with cheny I guess).
But if it is procedure to give a vault copy birth certificate, whatever that is, then he should have to follow it. Especially since there does seem to be some possibility that he in fact could not be a US citizen.
V
Here mate, I found it for you. Here’s a hint, if dumbasses on the internet are claiming something that seems like it’s a conspiracy theory…it’s a conspiracy theory.
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The truth about Obama’s birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document’s authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is “fake.”
[u]We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.[/u] We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as “supporting documents” to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.[/i]
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Before you call people dumbasses why don’t you take the time to watch the video and find out why factcheck is not acceptable?
Factcheck is a division of the Annenberg project, an organisation in which Barry has sat on the board of directors. It is a conflict of interest to have an organisation Obama is on, or has been on, the board of directors of, do the fact checking.
Now who is the dumbass?
These are the beautiful type of conspiracy theory details that I’m craving…but connect some more dots for me, will you Sifu?
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2) Exactly WHO is covering this all up and WHY?
If a sitting President can’t cover-up his blow-job with an intern in the Oval Office…can someone PLEASE tell me how a junior Senator running for public office pulls off running for the highest office in the Nation when he isn’t even a citizen?
The conspiracy to cover it up and suppress it would not only have to be BROAD beyond all comprehension; and it would have to involve a LOT of both Liberal AND Conservative individuals.
Is the Liberal Press sending out some kind of mind-control beam through our TV’s?
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Please!!![/quote]
Why don’t you stop being a complete retard and watch the video? This is not a conspiracy theory, it is a legal case that is in the courts. Obama has filed a motion to dismiss the case without producing the required documentation. If his papers are in order he should have produced them by now and put an end to this.
Why has he not produced the neccessary papers?
There is also the matter of his adoption and enrollment as Barry Soetoro in a school that only took Indonesian citizens. It sounds like Obama is not being honest with people and the DNC has not performed the neccessary due diligence.
This hole thing sounds pretty weak to me. Why would he fake the short birth certificate form instead of the real one if he had to fake it? Though, I also don’t know why Obama would withhold the document.
We’ll just have to wait and see, I doubt anyone here knows enough legally to make too educated of a guess.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
This hole thing sounds pretty weak to me. Why would he fake the short birth certificate form instead of the real one if he had to fake it? Though, I also don’t know why Obama would withhold the document.
We’ll just have to wait and see, I doubt anyone here knows enough legally to make too educated of a guess. [/quote]
Because he truly believes he was born in Hawaii. His dead parents were the only ones behind his false citizenship, and he was never told.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
This hole thing sounds pretty weak to me. Why would he fake the short birth certificate form instead of the real one if he had to fake it? Though, I also don’t know why Obama would withhold the document.
We’ll just have to wait and see, I doubt anyone here knows enough legally to make too educated of a guess. [/quote]
Because the short form is not the same as the vault copy. The short form can be issued based on someones word. ie Barry was born in Kenya like his gandmother says then shortly after his mom took him back to Hawiai and says he was born there while applying for a birth certificate. The short form can be issued as an affidavit.
The vault copy on the other hand details exactly where he was born, the hospital and the doctor who delivered the baby. If his birth certificate does not have these details then his country of birth is in doubt.
This is why there is a controversy, Barry is not producing the full certificate which categorically lists pertinant details that relate to whether or not he is elligable to be POTUS.
As it stands right now just based on his Indonesian school records he has used more than one name, if he did not admit this when he became a lawyer he could be disbarred. Which is a possible reason why he has refused to give access to his school records.
I LIKE BOOBS!
Raymond S. Kraft
The Great Obama Swindle of 2008
October 29, 2008
Obama: The Illegal Alien
I have become 100% convinced, to a moral certainty, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Barack Obama is not only not a “natural born citizen” as required by the US Constitution to be president, but that he was not even born in the USA, not born in Hawaii, probably in Kenya, never naturalized. If he is elected, he will be the UnConstitutional President from the moment he takes the oath of office, the first president who is not a citizen of the United States. He may even be an illegal alien, if he was born in Kenya and has never become a naturalized citizen.
My opinion. Why I am so sure?
I was not convinced by the lawsuits filed by Philip Berg, Andy Martin, Jerome Corsi, and others seeking disclosure of Obama’s birth certificate. I was not convinced by the books and articles that now abound contesting Obama’s origins. I am convinced by the behavior of Barack Obama who, according to Jerome Corsi, Obama’s Birth Certificate Sealed by Hawaii Governor on October 26, 2008, has had the governor of Hawaii seal Obama’s birth certificate so it could not be seen, by anyone. So far, he has refused to prove his qualification to be president. And by the behavior of Barack Obama, having his records sealed at Columbia University and Harvard Law. Barack Obama is hiding himself from America. And he wants to be POTUS, and Commander in Chief.
In the litigation business, one quickly learns that if somebody has a document that will be good for them, they can’t wait to give it to you. And if somebody has a document that will hurt them, they’ll be tap dancing faster than Richard Gere in Chicago to keep you from getting it.
Obama is tap dancing.
If I were Obama’s lawyers, and if there was a good, authentic, birth certificate that proved Barack Obama’s birth in Hawaii, I would tell him to instruct the Hawaiian Department of Health to provide a certified copy to every journalist who asked about it, to the Courts and plaintiffs in all the lawsuits, and to make the original available for inspection by any expert forensic document examiner any litigant or news agency engaged to examine the birth certificate for authenticity . I would tell him to come clean, and end the speculation. And I would tell him that the speculation could cost him the election.
But that’s not what Obama and his lawyers are doing, they’re filling motions for summary judgment, not on the merits of the case, but on “technicalities,” at least in the Berg case, arguing that Citizens, voters, do not have standing to enforce the United States Constitution, and at least one judge, Richard Barclay Surrick, has agreed.
But what Obama and his lawyers and the Democrat National Commitee (DNC) are not doing is being open and honest with America. So we are forced to this conclusion as a matter of logical necessity:
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If Barack Obama could produce a good birth certificate that would verify his status as a “natural born citizen,” he would. Failing to do so can only hurt him. Failing to do so can cost him the election.
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He hasn’t, and it looks like he won’t.
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Therefore, we can only conclude that he can’t, and that his birth certificate, if it exists at all, is either altered, forged, or shows him born outside the US. We have to conclude that producing his birth certificate, if he can, will prove he is not eligible to be president, not a natural born citizen, or not a citizen at all. We can only conclude that Obama knows that producing his birth records will hurt him even more than not producing them.
Now, I could be wrong. Barack Obama can prove me wrong by producing a good birth certificate. But he hasn’t. Will he? Can he?
No “Standing” to Sue?
In the case of Berg v. Obama, US Federal Judge Richard Barclay Surrick agreed with Obama’s lawyers and ruled that Berg, as a citizen, as a voter, has no “standing” to enforce the United States Constitution. I have read that other agencies have asserted that only another presidential candidate has standing to sue respecting the qualifications of a candidate, presumably because, arguendo, only another presidential candidate could be injured (lose an election) as a result of a non-qualified candidate on the ballot.
This may be the most patently absurd, illogical, incomprehensible, astonishing, mind-boggling, and utterly stupid argument I have ever heard in my life. And from a Federal Judge, at that. And if I didn’t make myself perfectly clear, let me know and I’ll try again.
Let’s do the analysis.
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The US Constitution is a CONTRACT between The People, The States, and The United States, that defines and limits the role of the federal government, and the rights of the States and The People, and, among other things, defines and limits the qualifications for president, i.e., that the president must be over the age of 35 years, and must be a natural born citizen.
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Any party to a CONTRACT has standing to enforce it. This is as basic as it gets. Contract Law 101. First week of law school stuff. And it seems that lawyers and judges all over the country have forgotten all about it. Also, the Constitution was intended to benefit all American citizens, We, The People, and in basic contract law the intended beneficiaries of a CONTRACT, i.e., us, also have standing to enforce it.
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If We, The People, do not have standing to enforce the CONTRACT, the US Constitution, then it is unenforceable, and if it is unenforceable it is just a historic curiosity that means nothing. Just an old piece of parchment. But that was not the intent, and to give intent to the CONTRACT it must be enforceable by its parties and beneficiares.
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We, The People, have standing under the First Amendment “to petition the government for redress of grievances.” If we have a grievance, that a non-citizen, possibly an illegal alien, is running for president, I think the First Amendment unequivocally gives every American citizen standing to sue the government to redress that grievance and enforce the Constitution.
I think Judge Richard Barclay Surrick is dead wrong, illogically wrong, irrationally wrong, legally wrong, I think his legal analysis of this issue, in legalese, stinks.
The Duty of Congress
Article II, Section 1, requires that upon taking office the President of the United States shall take the following oath:
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of the President of the
United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution
of the United States.”
Article VI, Clause 3, requires that Senators and Representatives requires:
“The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution . . .”
Members of Congress take this oath:
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”
Having taken this oath, Senator Barack Obama has violated his oath of office if he is refusing to disclose a birth certificate that proves his candidacy for president is unconstitutional, and I believe this is a mandatory basis for his impeachment.
Having taken these oaths, the President, the Vice President (an executive officer of the United States), every member of the Senate and House, every member of every State legislature, and every executive and judicial officers of the United States and of each State, has a mandatory duty per Article VI Clause 3 of the US Constitution to “support and defend” the Constitution, and that would necessarily include taking whatever action is necessary to assure that no person who does not meet the Constitutional requirement of “natural born citizen” ever becomes President.
And every Federal Judge, and every Justice of the Supreme Court, having taken this oath, also have a mandatory duty to “protect and defend” the Constitution by doing whatever is necessary to assure that no person who does not meet the Constitutional requirement of “natural born citizen” ever becomes President. Indeed, I believe that the Supreme Court has a sua sponte duty to resolve this dispute by ordering, on its own initiative, the immediate production of all of Obama’s birth records in order to confirm his place of birth, and prevent the election of an UnConstitutional President. So far, all Justices of the Supreme Court have failed this mandatory duty.
So far, the President, the Vice President, every member of Congress, Democrats and Republicans alike, ever Federal Judge and Justice, every member of every State legislature, and every governor, have failed in this duty. They have all failed to fulfill their oaths of office. Every one. They must all demand that Senator Barack Obama either (a) produce a good birth certificate proving his status as a “natural born citizen,” or (b) withdraw his candidacy before November 4.
All those who do not should be impeached for having failed their oath of office.
The Greatest Swindle in History
If Senator Barack Hussein Obama cannot prove that he is a “natural born citizen,” then Obama, the Democrat National Committee, the Democrats in the Senate and House who support him, and others such as former president Bill Clinton who openly support him, have perpetrated the greatest swindle in history by falsely and fraudulentaly misrepresenting Obama as Constitutionally eligible to be president, concealing the truth about his place of birth, thereby inducing millions of Democrats by the fraud of concealment, by the lie of non-disclosure, by “trick and device,” to invest hundreds of millions of dollars in the Barack Obama presidential campaign to elect an UnConstitutional President.
My opinion.
Note, this is a fraud perpetrated by Senator Barack Obama, the DNC, and hundreds of Democrats in Congress, on their own constituency, the Democrat voters of America. It is a fraud of the Democrats, by the Democrats, and perpetrated on the Democrats. And it has defrauded Democrats out of more than $600 million.
According to their oaths of office, every Democrat member of Congress has an affirmative duty to assure that their presidential candidate is Constitutionally qualified. As soon as questions about Obama’s birth arose, every Democrat in Congress had a mandatory duty to confirm his eligibility by demanding release of his birth records. But, they have not. Not to my knowledge. Instead, every Democrat in Congress is complicit in the cover up - the cover up - of Obama’s birth certificate, by failing to demand full disclosure to confirm his place of birth.
In my opinion, unless Obama can produce a good birth certificate proving that he is a “natural born citizen,” then every Democrat member of Congress, every person managing Obama’s campaign, every officer and director of the Democrat National Commitee, and every person who has ever taken an oath fo “support and defend” the Constitution and is now supporting an UnConstitutional candidate for president, has participated in a vast left-wing conspiracy to defraud millions of Democrats out of hundreds of millions of dollars to elect an UnConstitutional President.
In my opinion, every one of these people, hundreds of them, should be prosecuted for fraud under the Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO), for if Obama is not a “natural born citizen,” that is what the Democrat National Committee (DNC) has become. And every one of them should be tried, convicted, and sent to prison for decades, for this is a $600 billion swindle of America’s Democrats, a swindle perpetrated by the DNC and Barack Obama.
Now, I could be wrong. I could be wrong about every opinion I have expressed here.
Senator Barack Hussein Obama can prove me wrong, quickly, simply, easily, by opening the doors of the hospitals and the Hawaiian Department of Health and showing us, showing America, showing the Democrats, all of his birth records.
Unless and until he does, I will remain convinced that Barack Hussein Obama is not an American citizen.
Raymond S. Kraft is a retired attorney and writer from northern California.
Of course, there’s always the other side of the coin.
If anyone cared to, they could apply to the State department and request an FS-240, which is a Consular Report of Birth Abroad. If Barack Obama was born outside of the US or its territories, an FS-240 is on file somewhere for him.
If that document exists, then he is not eligible to hold the office of president according to Article II, Section I of the constitution.
DAMN Obama and the DEMS are good!
Maybe Schwarzenegger needs to talk to these guys!
Mufasa
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
DAMN Obama and the DEMS are good!
Maybe Schwarzenegger needs to talk to these guys!
Mufasa[/quote]
Honestly, shouldn’t we amend the Constitution so that naturalized citizens can run for office? I think the voters are able to decide if Arnold is a ‘true American’? Surely the average American is as competent as the average Californian.
Article 2, Section I, US Constitution:
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
US Code § 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
“The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;
(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and
(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.”
(Even though Obama wasn’t born abroad) where’s the problem?