Obama in 2008

Will Obama run in 2008? Can he occupy the center that Hillary wants to own?

My guess is that he will make a run. The author makes a good point, Washington will taint him if he is there too long. Either a presidential run or shot at being governor would be a smart political move.

OBAMA IN '08?
Can a promising politician go to Washington and NOT make a run for president?

By Jeff Zeleny
Washington Bureau- Chicago Tribune

May 28, 2006

WASHINGTON – The roster of aspiring presidential candidates seems to grow by the week here in the nation’s capital, where the season of speculation and seduction is in full blossom.

Never mind that the urgent political matter for Republicans and Democrats is the fight for control of Congress, considering Election Day is less than six months away. These days, two questions rise above most others in the echo chamber: Who, exactly, is flirting with a bid for the White House and is Sen. Barack Obama among them?

It’s a ritual that unfolds every four years, at this very time, when politicians openly dream, tease and ruminate about their presidential ambitions, knowing full well there is hardly a downside to such public conjecture. Among Democrats, the scurry is particularly intense.

But those who almost certainly are running–Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), for example–sidestep the question and insist they are focused on their own re-election campaigns. And those who most likely are not running seem content to simply bask in the renewed attention, such as former Vice President Al Gore, whose release of a documentary on global warming has spawned new gossip about his future.

There also are those who fall into another category entirely–the fresh-face, what-if-Clinton-fails, why-not-try-it category–which is where Obama, an Illinois Democrat, finds himself after serving less than 18 months in the Senate.

In recent weeks, Washington chatter about Obama eyeing the presidential race has increased. Leading Senate Democrats and party activists have privately urged him to consider a campaign, or at the very least, to leave the door open for a possible last-minute entry.

When asked about the chance of his name appearing on a 2008 ticket, Obama responded in an interview: “Ha, ha!” He quickly tried to change the subject, but when pressed for an answer, he said: “There are people who think I should make an announcement tomorrow that I’m running for the presidency.”

So how does Obama respond to such flattery?

“I tell them,” he said, “that I’m focusing on my job as a senator from Illinois.”

That stock answer, however, does little to settle the question.

Absent a blood oath, perhaps, speculation is sure to swell among his admirers whose rationale for why he should run goes something like this: He doesn’t carry baggage for voting for the Iraq war (he wasn’t in the Senate at the time and he spoke against it during his campaign). He is 44 years old and by Election Day 2008, he will be 47, which is one year older than Bill Clinton was in 1992. His celebrity appeal, which will be demonstrated anew on a book tour that could last up to six months, exceeds any Democrat in the race except Sen. Clinton.

“He brings a level of excitement to the political debate, which is the envy of every elected official,” said Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), the second-ranking Democrat in the Senate. “There is a need for Barack Obama’s leadership in America. I have talked to him informally about this. I hope that he will seriously consider it.”

But just as many supporters believe that now is not Obama’s moment. They urge him to patiently build his knowledge on foreign policy and domestic issues to gain seasoning that could withstand the test of a presidential campaign. And, they said, waiting for another time would perhaps lessen pressures on his family, including his two young daughters.

The longer he waits, though, the more steeped in Washington he becomes. And history is not kind to those who seek the presidency from the Senate. Even after serving less than two years, he often takes pains to portray himself as a newcomer to the scene.

“I am not one of those people who grew up at the age of 7 thinking I was going to be president someday,” he said in a speech earlier this month. “I sort of came through the back door into politics.”

Washington seers detect other signs, though, that he is preparing for the future.

He quietly brought aboard two respected Democratic operatives with presidential campaign experience to build a national organization to keep pace with his growing profile: Anita Dunn to head his political action committee, the Hopefund, and Minyon Moore to improve outreach to African-Americans.

“The reality is, the scope of what I’m doing is very narrow,” said Dunn, whose assignment includes such tasks as sending thank-you notes to donors who have yet to hear from Obama despite contributing months ago. “It is not a strategic role.”

Obama is keeping a strategically interesting calendar, however. He is delivering a commencement address Friday at the University of Massachusetts-Boston. He also is adding battleground Ohio to the list of Democratic fundraising dinners he has headlined this year as he travels across the country to elevate his profile and help Democratic candidates.

Since being sworn into office, he has traveled to 25 states.

“He enjoys his name being out there as a rising star, a top draw, so it makes sense to keep his name in the circle,” said Donna Brazile, a longtime Democratic strategist. “But I see no evidence that he has the big P on his agenda–the big presidential campaign.”

This season, there are plenty of Democrats who do.

Last week, Sen. Christopher Dodd of Connecticut added his name to the list that already includes Sens. Evan Bayh of Indiana, Joseph Biden of Delaware, Russ Feingold of Wisconsin and John Kerry of Massachusetts.

Former Sens. John Edwards of North Carolina and Tom Daschle of South Dakota as well as Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack and former Virginia Gov. Mark Warner round out the list of Democrats exploring presidential bids.

And, of course, there is Clinton.

Her name recognition and fundraising ability overshadow virtually everyone else in the race, which is why most other Democrats concede they are running as the Plan B. It’s an open question whether Obama will add his name to the list.

“A lot of people are talking about him running for president eventually, but I think it’s premature at this point,” said Elizabeth Bagley, an ambassador to Portugal in the Clinton administration who recently hosted Obama and other senators at a fundraiser for Senate Democrats. “But the speculation is certainly not a bad thing.”

Among the dinner guests in her Georgetown home that evening was Dodd, the five-term senator who came close to running in 2004 but declined. This year he jumped in as one of several Democrats hoping that a White House bid would be the capstone of their Washington careers.

“In a lot of cases, this is probably their last opportunity. If Hillary is the front-runner and something happens that she stumbles, they will be there,” Bagley said. “They would like to be president, but they know that the Barack Obamas and other new faces will soon be coming up behind them.”


2012

[quote]Diomede wrote:
2012[/quote]

If he waits until 2012, he’ll have to run against an incumbent, and if the president is a Dem, he’ll likely wait until 2016. I would like to see him run in 08, he is still a bit of a Washington outsider (compared to others in congress) and the longer he waits (be it 2012, 2016) the more he’ll be tarnished by his voting record and he’ll lose his outsider status.

I am definately not for him, but if I were any of these potential candidates, I would run for governor of their home state – because the fact is that we just don’t elect senators (usually – JFK is the most recent exception) president!

no way. He’d be a fool, if he was smart he will get out of the senate and run for governor or else hope hillary names him as a VP and she actually pulls of her miracle win…otherwise him as anything other than senator from Illinois in 2008 is a pipe dream…

While I don’t agree with mosy of his political ideoligy, Obama is probably the most likeable politician being talked about right now. Not just the most likeable democrat, but the most likeable politician overall.

I personally think that he appeals to a MUCH broader base than Hillary does. And, consider this, he doesn’t have one tenth the baggage that she does. Call me crazy, but I think he could appeal to middle of the road conservatives too. Of course alot will depend on his ability to not let the GOP define him. Isn’t politics great? :slight_smile:

All that aside, I hope Rudy runs (and wins) in 2008.

I think he has broad based appeal working for him, but has not been thoroughly enough brought into the fold of the political machinary of party politics to get beyond the primaries. More pointedly, he doesn’t owe enough political favors in exchange for financial contributions (or his fellow party member’s stumping on his behalf) to be a predictable (and manageable) officeholder.

A run for govenor might be a good idea, but I think he wants to have a more broad impact than that and will thus remain at the national level of politics. By 2012, when he would have an actual shot, he will be encumbered enough in the partisan and financial workings of washington that even if he does succeede as a presidential candidate while facing an incumbant he will not have as much of an impact on policy or governmental operations as he might at the present.

I’d be pretty surprised if he runs, he should see John Edwards (the one politician I can’t stand) as a cautionary tale. I’m starting to think that those who say Gore could win the nomination, like Nixon in '68, are making some sense.

Gore/Obama, or Clinton/Obama in 2008, Obama/whoever 2016?

Obama will not run and will not be chosen as a VP by the democratic candidate. Hillary will need a conservative Gov. as her running mate.

obama is out…out out I tell you!

:slight_smile:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
While I don’t agree with mosy of his political ideoligy, Obama is probably the most likeable politician being talked about right now. Not just the most likeable democrat, but the most likeable politician overall.

I personally think that he appeals to a MUCH broader base than Hillary does. And, consider this, he doesn’t have one tenth the baggage that she does. Call me crazy, but I think he could appeal to middle of the road conservatives too. Of course alot will depend on his ability to not let the GOP define him. Isn’t politics great? :)[/quote]

I agree that he is very likable, but I also think he also has had a very easy road to walk so far. The GOP here couldn’t stop chasing it’s own tail long enough to figure out how to get a candidate in office. They pulled Ryan’s card because his ex-wife alleged(!) in the divorce proceedings(!!) that he coerced(!!!) her into going to sex clubs on several occasions. And after pulling Ryan’s card, they put Al Sharpton in Republican’s clothes in at the last minute. Also, keep in mind, he didn’t win in a red state by any stretch of the imagination. It’ll be interesting to see Obama’s ‘broader appeal’ when it’s not Obama vs. whomever the ‘wheel of candidates’ lands on.

The Dems will never choose a black person for any top position. That’s the Republican’s job. Democrats are the most rascist bunch alive – taking black voters for granted, creating the ‘Great Society Program’ (which, in effect, decimated black families). Hell, it was up to a bunch of damn country club Republicans to get a black Supreme Court Justice, Secretary of State, and on and on.

Democrats, nominating a black man!! Its ab workout time!! ROFLMAO!!

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
The Dems will never choose a black person for any top position. That’s the Republican’s job. Democrats are the most rascist bunch alive – taking black voters for granted, creating the ‘Great Society Program’ (which, in effect, decimated black families). Hell, it was up to a bunch of damn country club Republicans to get a black Supreme Court Justice, Secretary of State, and on and on.

Democrats, nominating a black man!! Its ab workout time!! ROFLMAO!!

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Thurgood Marshall was the first black Supreme Court justice. He was nominated by LBJ, a democrat.

Todd

[quote]lucasa wrote:
I agree that he is very likable, but I also think he also has had a very easy road to walk so far. The GOP here couldn’t stop chasing it’s own tail long enough to figure out how to get a candidate in office. They pulled Ryan’s card because his ex-wife alleged(!) in the divorce proceedings(!!) that he coerced(!!!) her into going to sex clubs on several occasions. And after pulling Ryan’s card, they put Al Sharpton in Republican’s clothes in at the last minute. Also, keep in mind, he didn’t win in a red state by any stretch of the imagination. It’ll be interesting to see Obama’s ‘broader appeal’ when it’s not Obama vs. whomever the ‘wheel of candidates’ lands on.[/quote]

I’ll agree that Obama hasn’t had a very tough political road as of yet, but I do think he will appeal to more of the nation than hillary will. Time will tell though as to his poitical durability.

I think you might also be right about one thing, the democratic VP will (if the dems are smart, and well, hehe, that hasn’t shown lately!) most likely be a middle of the road democrat governor. What I think will happen, IMHO, is algore getting the presidential nod.

Think about it, half the nation already thinks that he was the “rigfhtfull” winner of the 2000 election. Couple that perception with a middle of the road running mate and the dems could have a ticket with a decent chance of winning.

Not that I would want to see algore in office mind you, I’m still pulling for a seccesfull Giuliani bid for the POTUS. It is fun to armchair quarterback though. :wink:

[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
I’d be pretty surprised if he runs, he should see John Edwards (the one politician I can’t stand) as a cautionary tale. I’m starting to think that those who say Gore could win the nomination, like Nixon in '68, are making some sense.[/quote]

I don’t know if Gore has the heart for it – he’s not as mean as Nixon was, and doesn’t come from the hardscrabble background of needing something to prove that I would think would be required for him to really stomach another run (and that Nixon had). I just think he likes the attention at this point – he likes people floating his name, and he likes to introduce himself as “I was the guy who was going to be President” but that he won’t actually do anything about it.

His name being floated now is a combination his movie promotion and the fact that a lot of folks are looking to avoid Hillary and her high disapproval numbers.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
GDollars37 wrote:
I’d be pretty surprised if he runs, he should see John Edwards (the one politician I can’t stand) as a cautionary tale. I’m starting to think that those who say Gore could win the nomination, like Nixon in '68, are making some sense.

I don’t know if Gore has the heart for it – he’s not as mean as Nixon was, and doesn’t come from the hardscrabble background of needing something to prove that I would think would be required for him to really stomach another run (and that Nixon had). I just think he likes the attention at this point – he likes people floating his name, and he likes to introduce himself as “I was the guy who was going to be President” but that he won’t actually do anything about it.

His name being floated now is a combination his movie promotion and the fact that a lot of folks are looking to avoid Hillary and her high disapproval numbers.[/quote]

I don’t think for a second that Gore will get the democratic nod. But as far as “not being mean enough” you might want to think that one over…

This is funny. I mentioned this guy two years ago and was laughed at here for saying he would eventually be a player.

http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=622212&pageNo=1

Correction, it was one year ago almost exactly.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
This is funny. I mentioned this guy two years ago and was laughed at here for saying he would eventually be a player.[/quote]

Haha. He will never be a major player. His name is too close to Osama.

It would be like running for president in 1948 with a name like Hibler.

President Obama?

Just doesn’t have the same ring as ‘President Adams’ or ‘President Roosevelt’. But, of course, these are after the fact.

Names are important: Many historians theorize that Hitler would never have risen to power under his real name (Schickelgruber). But his father allowed himself to be adopted ($$$$) and took the name Heidler — >>> Hitler, eventually.

Heil Schickelgruber? Naaahhhh…

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