[quote]Sloth wrote:
Jeff R wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
So, do you think that while the US military, as large as it is, was greatly extended or even overextended by the fight in Iraq, in contrast Al-Qaeda’s resources were so mighty that it was a drop in the bucket to them, and thus stupid or mistaken to argue that fighting on that front reduced, probably greatly reduced, their ability to wage their war on America in other ways?
How do you overextend an organization that isn’t going to attack the US as a combined army, using expensive military equipment? Do they have entitlements to pay for? Banks to rescue? Deficits to explain away to constituents? A populace with the option of voting them out of office?
When they’e ready, maybe a dozen guys already here, or waiting to slip over our border, will carry out an attack that doesn’t require costly precision guided missiles and armored vehicles.
Hell, they don’t even have to attack us here anymore! That’s their victory in all of this. They can damage us politically, fiscally, and physically without having to activate one single cell in the US. How many lives, and how much have they cost us in Iraq? In chasing them back and forth over the Pahk-ee-stahn border? And again, a deeply divided country with one party already bloodied to hell and back.
Don’t think this is the case? Look at what happened to not Bush, but the Republicans. Smacked down. Hard.
Oh, so al qaeda won?
Therefore, obama?
You might want to think this through. Especially in the context of you not voting for McCain in “protest.”
Bush could have managed his party much better and made 2006 and 2008 much less painful for the Republicans.
Yes, Al Qaeda won. What’s the issue? Did they get voted out of office or something because of their handling of the war? [/quote]
al qaeda won and, thus, obama got elected.
Therefore, you didn’t vote for McCain?
Not real good, if you think about it.
By the way, of course al qaeda didn’t win. They got their ass kicked in Iraq and are getting it kicked in Pakistan (even with obama at the helm).
[quote]orion wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
orion wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
So you don’t have any explanation you’d like to offer yourself for our success in keeping Al-Qaeda from conducting further terror attacks on US soil?
By the way, citing excellent US border security would not be a plausible answer.
My last post offers one, but please use the quote button, I am getting a headache.
Actually, you are the one who needs to use the quote button. Your alleged already-made alternate explanation (besides the possible explanation I offered) for what I asked is nowhere to be found.
Sure it is.
They do not need to.
If you want to pull out, they probably will to pull you back in.
Until then, it is just a waste of resources.
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Oh, pretty little bota.
How’s it going in Iraq?
The surge troops still there?
Quagmire?
Did Iraq fall apart?
Civil War?
You must have missed the talk about massive U.S.troop withdrawl?
Oh, let me guess, Iraq will fall apart and our brave leader will decide, suddenly, that Iraq really is the central front on terror. Then, he’ll send the same number of troops back in.
Remind me again when our brave leader defied his own party?
Hint: He let left wing loons write the defining bill of his Presidency.
Again, put me in front of the press press day after freakin’ day, and I guarantee Americans would get it.
Maybe I’ll run.
JeffR
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No. No, they wouldn’t. They’d wonder why you were still pushing a hypothetical threat, when your stockpiles in known locations, turned into old gas shells buried in the sand. They’d ask you why we’re happy to build, blow up, and rebuild bridges in Iraq. Not to mention, hospitals, utilities, sewage, etc. Yet, oppose a democrat’s plan to spend on infastructure here as spendulus.
So, what are you guys for pushing next, following the “hey, it could happen. Well, maybe it could!” justification? Going into Iran? Pakistan? Taking on N. Korea? “Win” the war in Afghanistian (basically, going into Pakistan)?
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Try to keep up, 100meters.[/quote]
Well it’s hard because you’re tossing alot of b.s. You seem to confusing the people of Iraq with the terrorists who attacked us, and who are still right where we left them. Meanwhile since the invasion the folks you say have been distracted have been blowing stuff up all over the world, factually un-distracted.
So now that Iran has won the war in Iraq, we now have to deal with them and afghanistan/pakistan where terrorists have been so distracted we now have to send thousands of troops there.
[i]Don?t know much about economics, but the economists I?ve been hearing lately don?t seem to know much either. To this ordinary guy, it looks like a rough road ahead, so I?m just going to trust my instincts and hang on tight.
A couple of months ago, I paid off my mortgage. For the first time since I was eighteen, I don?t owe anybody anything - no car payments, no student loans, nothing. My old truck still runs, but it?s rusting out underneath - kind of like our country. I?ll drive it until the frame breaks while I save up for another. I don?t feel too bad about junking my old pickup, but it?s hard watching Congress and the President junk my country.
Obama said last Saturday he has a plan for ?restoring fiscal discipline.? Uh-huh. That was a few days after announcing he wants to give $75,000,000,000 to people who can?t make their mortgage payments. We all know someone who bought more house than they could afford and defaulted, and someone else who could make payments until they burned through their equity and can?t anymore. According to CBS.com: ?Homeowners in states without significant foreclosures will subsidize those in states like California, Arizona, and Florida. And borrowers who initially had affordable mortgages – but then refinanced during the housing bubble and used their homes as ATMs – stand to benefit.?
Now you want wagon pullers like me to pull harder because they?re jumping on? This is ?restoring fiscal discipline?? Bailing out speculators and irresponsible borrowers? When the re-default rate on them is over 55% in six months? And sending the bill to people like me, my children, and my grandchildren? We?re not going to take this.
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Good stuff Steely. Your friend does indeed get it.
Comrade Chairman Obamov just concluded his destroy the United States as we know it and rebuild it in the image of her historical enemies, it looks like you’re finally ready to roll over after all these years and thanks for finally getting there, bridge to socialism speech.
Protocol No. 1 6. Political freedom is an idea but not a fact. This idea one must know how to apply whenever it appears necessary with this bait of an idea to attract the masses of the people to one’s party for the purpose of crushing another who is in authority. This task is rendered easier if the opponent has himself been infected with the idea of freedom, SO-CALLED LIBERALISM, and, for the sake of an idea, is willing to yield some of his power. It is precisely here that the triumph of our theory appears; the slackened reins of government are immediately, by the law of life, caught up and gathered together by a new hand, because the blind might of the nation cannot for one single day exist without guidance, and the new authority merely fits into the place of the old already weakened by liberalism.
Protocol No. 10 When we introduced into the State organism the poison of Liberalism its whole political complexion underwent a change. States have been seized with a mortal illness - blood poisoning. All that remains is to await the end of their death agony.
Protocol No. 13
[i]3. Growing more and more unaccustomed to reflect and form any opinions of their own, people will begin to talk in the same tone as we because we alone shall be offering them new directions for thought… of course through such persons as will not be suspected of solidarity with us.
The part played by the liberals, utopian dreamers, will be finally played out when our government is acknowledged…
When we come into our kingdom, our orators will expound great problems which have turned humanity upside down in order to bring it at the end under our beneficent rule.
Who will ever suspect then that ALL THESE PEOPLES WERE STAGE-MANAGED BY US ACCORDING TO A POLITICAL PLAN WHICH NO ONE HAS SO MUCH AS GUESSED AT IN THE COURSE OF MANY CENTURIES?[/i]
Protocol No. 15
[i]20. OUR GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE THE APPEARANCE OF A PATRIARCHAL PATERNAL GUARDIANSHIP ON THE PART OF OUR RULER. Our own nation and our subjects will discern in his person a father caring for their every need…
They will be rejoiced that we have regulated everything in their lives as is done by wise parents who desire to train children in the cause of duty and submission…[/i]
[quote][i]"The use of the word Jew may be illustrated by this passage from the Eighth section [of the Protocols]:
“For the time being, until it will be safe to give responsible government positions to our brother Jews, we shall entrust them to people whose past and whose characters are such that there is an abyss between them and the people.” *
This is the practice known as using “Gentile fronts” which is extensively practiced in the financial world today in order to cover up the evidences of Jewish control…
There is no function of the American Presidency in which the Jews have not already secretly assisted in a very important degree. Actual occupancy of the office is not necessary to enhance their power, but to promote certain things which parallel very closely the plans outlined in the Protocols…
The criticisms which these Protocols pass upon the Gentiles for their stupidity are just. It is impossible to disagree with a single item in the Protocol’s description of Gentile mentality and venality. Even the most astute of the Gentile thinkers have been fooled into receiving as the motions of progress what has only been insinuated into the common human mind by the most insidious systems of propaganda."[/i][/quote]
–Henry Ford
Barack Obama: The first Jewish president? - Chicago circle nurtured him all the way to the top
Chicago Tribune - Dec 2008
Putting aside which of the three great Abrahamic religions can lay claim to Obama’s soul, it is clear that his political career, from its South Side inception to the audacious run for the White House, was nurtured and enabled by a close-knit network of Chicago Jews. http://www.njdc.org/blog/post/obama1stjewishpresident121208
[quote][i]"Everyone knows that, in spite of the fact that the air was never as full of theories of liberty and wild declarations of “rights,” there has been a steady curtailment of “personal freedom.”
Instead of being socialized, the people, under a cover of socialistic phrases, are being brought under an unaccustomed bondage to the state; laws of every kind are hedging upon the harmless liberties of the people.
A steady tendency toward systematization, every phase of the tendency leased upon some very learnedly stated “principle,” has set in, and curiously enough, when the investigator pursues his way to the authoritative center of these movements for the regulation of the people’s life, he finds Jews in power!"[/i][/quote]
–Henry Ford
“One would have thought that the systematic dismantling of the Constitution of the United States would have been enough to satisfy even the most Jacobin neoconservative, but there is more on the horizon, and it is coming from people who call themselves Democrats. The mainstream media has made no effort to inform the public of the impending Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act. The Act, which was sponsored by Congresswoman Jane Harman of California Rep. Jane Harman's Connections With AIPAC , was passed in the House by an overwhelming 405 to 6 vote on October 24th and is now awaiting approval by the Senate Homeland Security Committee, which is headed by Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut.” The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act | HuffPost Latest News
Remember when we were howling about mere billions? We just as well start measuring in zillions now. It really won’t make any difference. These dollars have so little chance of ever being paid back that they are truly arbitrary.
Trillions, zillions, it’s all irrelevant at this point. We have hit the critical point where bankruptcy is a near certainty. The time to react in a way that will yield a positive result is quickly fading.
Remember when we were howling about mere billions? We just as well start measuring in zillions now. It really won’t make any difference. These dollars have so little chance of ever being paid back that they are truly arbitrary.
Trillions, zillions, it’s all irrelevant at this point. We have hit the critical point where bankruptcy is a near certainty. The time to react in a way that will yield a positive result is quickly fading.[/quote]
Ah, the joys of recovering from Republican decimation.
Remember when we were howling about mere billions? We just as well start measuring in zillions now. It really won’t make any difference. These dollars have so little chance of ever being paid back that they are truly arbitrary.
Trillions, zillions, it’s all irrelevant at this point. We have hit the critical point where bankruptcy is a near certainty. The time to react in a way that will yield a positive result is quickly fading.
Ah, the joys of recovering from Republican decimation.[/quote]
ah, more intellectual retardation from 100meters. what a shock.
Remember when we were howling about mere billions? We just as well start measuring in zillions now. It really won’t make any difference. These dollars have so little chance of ever being paid back that they are truly arbitrary.
Trillions, zillions, it’s all irrelevant at this point. We have hit the critical point where bankruptcy is a near certainty. The time to react in a way that will yield a positive result is quickly fading.
Ah, the joys of recovering from Republican decimation.[/quote]
here’s why you used the word wrong and it pisses me off. Decimation is the reduction by 1/10 in numbers in the Roman Legion as punishment. when the soldiers were not rpoducing, they would select 10% and kill them. It was a uniquie motivational technique.
Bush didn’t decimate anything. Faggy Frank, Dodd, Jimmy Carter with the Community Reinvestment Act and the other usual suspects did this.
Remember when we were howling about mere billions? We just as well start measuring in zillions now. It really won’t make any difference. These dollars have so little chance of ever being paid back that they are truly arbitrary.
Trillions, zillions, it’s all irrelevant at this point. We have hit the critical point where bankruptcy is a near certainty. The time to react in a way that will yield a positive result is quickly fading.
Ah, the joys of recovering from Republican decimation.
ah, more intellectual retardation from 100meters. what a shock.[/quote]
Remember when we were howling about mere billions? We just as well start measuring in zillions now. It really won’t make any difference. These dollars have so little chance of ever being paid back that they are truly arbitrary.
Trillions, zillions, it’s all irrelevant at this point. We have hit the critical point where bankruptcy is a near certainty. The time to react in a way that will yield a positive result is quickly fading.
Ah, the joys of recovering from Republican decimation.
here’s why you used the word wrong and it pisses me off. Decimation is the reduction by 1/10 in numbers in the Roman Legion as punishment. when the soldiers were not rpoducing, they would select 10% and kill them. It was a uniquie motivational technique.
Bush didn’t decimate anything. Faggy Frank, Dodd, Jimmy Carter with the Community Reinvestment Act and the other usual suspects did this.
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Actually Bush is very much to be blamed. The Great Homeownership society was one of his hobbies.
Remember when we were howling about mere billions? We just as well start measuring in zillions now. It really won’t make any difference. These dollars have so little chance of ever being paid back that they are truly arbitrary.
Trillions, zillions, it’s all irrelevant at this point. We have hit the critical point where bankruptcy is a near certainty. The time to react in a way that will yield a positive result is quickly fading.
Ah, the joys of recovering from Republican decimation.
here’s why you used the word wrong and it pisses me off. Decimation is the reduction by 1/10 in numbers in the Roman Legion as punishment. when the soldiers were not rpoducing, they would select 10% and kill them. It was a uniquie motivational technique.
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You left out the most interesting part of it:
The legions had to do it themselves, sometimes without weapons.
