Yes, he needs to stop using his trump card…It’s petty and arrogant and will lead to his lynching if he doesn’t start giving actual answers to questions…Yes he won, but so did all those Republican Senators he used it against. He is there to represent the people every day not every 4 years.
The sentiment I get even in the most liberal media is there is too much garbage in the current plan. “I won” doesn’t make it any better. He has used this line twice, he needs to stop it.
He also needs to take into account that a lot of people who voted for him did so because of an incendiary hatred of G.W.B and anything associated, and not because of hope, change or his policies.
It’ seems he is finding out that even with a favorable house and senate he can’t get things done just 'cause he wants to. Believe it or not, he does not have the votes to pass this bill in the senate. I did not realize that it requires a 60% majority to pass it. [/quote]
In theory, the bill does not require 60% in favor of the bill itself to pass it. The bill only requires a simple majority in favor of the bill itself to pass it, if the bill gets to a vote on the Senate floor.
But it requires 60% who are at least willing to vote in favor of ending the debate – i.e. it requires 60% who vote to break the filibuster. Given the drastic nature of this bill, it is possible that everyone who opposes it will vote to continue the filibuster indefinitely, in which case for all practical purposes the bill will need 60% to pass.
Yes, he needs to stop using his trump card…It’s petty and arrogant and will lead to his lynching if he doesn’t start giving actual answers to questions…Yes he won, but so did all those Republican Senators he used it against. He is there to represent the people every day not every 4 years.
The sentiment I get even in the most liberal media is there is too much garbage in the current plan. “I won” doesn’t make it any better. He has used this line twice, he needs to stop it.
He also needs to take into account that a lot of people who voted for him did so because of an incendiary hatred of G.W.B and anything associated, and not because of hope, change or his policies.
It’ seems he is finding out that even with a favorable house and senate he can’t get things done just 'cause he wants to. Believe it or not, he does not have the votes to pass this bill in the senate. I did not realize that it requires a 60% majority to pass it.
In theory, the bill does not require 60% in favor of the bill itself to pass it. The bill only requires a simple majority in favor of the bill itself to pass it, if the bill gets to a vote on the Senate floor.
But it requires 60% who are at least willing to vote in favor of ending the debate – i.e. it requires 60% who vote to break the filibuster. Given the drastic nature of this bill, it is possible that everyone who opposes it will vote to continue the filibuster indefinitely, in which case for all practical purposes the bill will need 60% to pass.[/quote]
Neal,
I have to admit that I’ve been hoping to see Collins/Snowe/Specter change their minds.
It’s also hard to believe that there isn’t a single moderate democrat that would break ranks.
[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
Jeff R wrote:
a little payback is in order after eight years of vitriolic invective against GWB.
Ahhh tit for tat politics,well aren’t you the model citizen.
When someone cuts you off on the road, do you speed up to them and do the same immediately?[/quote]
Well, well, well. Another liberal crawls out of the hole.
To answer your question about being a “model citizen” I need more information.
What do you consider a “model citizen?”
For instance, is paying your taxes a mark of a model citizen?
If yes, then I am certainly a model citizen.
However, I suspect that that has recently been dropped from your criteria.
As far as tit for tat, I was doing something your party has trouble understanding: telling the truth. Even though your party (especially your Congress) have spent the past 8 years doing nothing but “tit for tat” you act surprised that payback is in order.
Barack Obama: The first Jewish president? - Chicago circle nurtured him all the way to the top
Chicago Tribune - Dec 2008
Putting aside which of the three great Abrahamic religions can lay claim to Obama’s soul, it is clear that his political career, from its South Side inception to the audacious run for the White House, was nurtured and enabled by a close-knit network of Chicago Jews. http://www.njdc.org/blog/post/obama1stjewishpresident121208
The Fraud of Neoconservative “Anti-Communism”
It is a well-established fact that many of the early luminaries of neoconservatism (most famously Irving Kristol in the 1940’s, a more recent famous example being David Horowitz) came from Marxist backgrounds, and that neoconservatism (like Marxism itself) began and continues to be a largely a phenomenon of Jewish intellectualism. http://www.originaldissent.com/shpak051502.html
Henry Ford (1921) - Bolshevism And Zionism
[quote][i]"The first step of the Jewish organizations supporting Communism in the United States was the control and expansion of the Hebrew labor movement among the millions of immigrants during 50 years; with the view to eventual Jewish control of all labor unions. The Jews have captured American trade union movements as completely as if they had stormed them with the bayonet…
There are more Communists in the United States than there are in Soviet Russia. Their aim is the same and their racial character is the same. If they have not yet been able to do in America what they have done in Eastern Europe, it is because of the greater dissemination of information, the higher degree of intelligence, and particularly the wider diffusion of the agencies of government, than ever obtained in Russia and Eastern Europe.
The power house of Communist influence and propaganda in the United States is in the Jewish trade unions which, almost without exception, adhere to a Bolshevik program for the respective industries and for the country as a whole…
Russian Bolshevism was helped to its objective by Jewish gold from the United States - and by the ignorance and indolence of the Gentile citizens of the United States whose crimes of omission are almost as grave as those of Bolshevik commission.
Now that the influence of Communism is found to be numerically stronger here than in Russia, the fact causes no little embarrassment to “patriotic” Jews. The big Jewish labor organizations are the direct offspring of the Jewish Socialist Bund of Russia…
What amazes the student of the Jewish Question in the United States is the stupidity which permitted Jewish Bolshevism to flaunt itself so openly…
The Jewish leaders must admit that the Jewish Question does not consist in American citizens uncovering the facts and helping other citizens to become aware of them; the Jewish Question inheres in the facts themselves and in Jewish responsibility for the facts.
If it is “anti-Semitism” to say that Communism in the United States is Jewish, so be it; but to the unprejudiced mind it will look very like Americanism."[/i][/quote]
What the…?!
Remembering Jimmy Hoffa as a friend of Israel
February 5, 2008
A little-known chapter in the life of the legendary Teamsters leader is about to come to light in a tribute planned for Feb. 13, when the American Friends of the Yitzhak Rabin Center will have a commemorative dinner. Former President Bill Clinton will address the gathering.
Later in the month, a memorial to Hoffa will be dedicated at the Rabin Center in Tel Aviv.
James Hoffa said his father’s attachment to Israel was a natural affinity for the outsider struggling for empowerment.
The elder Hoffa learned of Israel’s struggles from his Jewish friends in the labor movement during Israel’s struggle for independence in the late 1940s, when Hoffa was a union official in Detroit…
Among Israeli union leaders he is remembered for his unstinting support for the Jewish state - a tradition that remains strong in the American labor movement, although unions overseas in recent years have tended to favor the Palestinians.
James Hoffa suggests a simple reason for the support of Israel: the central role Jews have played in building up American labor.
“The leaders have been Jewish,” he said…
“When we first brought this up, a lot of people on my board did not know the story of my father’s involvement in Israel, didn’t know the story of Rabin’s death,” he said…
"People were visibly moved by the story and the connection of the Teamsters" to the Zionist movement, James Hoffa said, and by the Rabin story.
Protocol No. 10
[quote][i]4. WHEN WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED OUR COUP D’ETAT WE SHALL SAY THEN TO THE VARIOUS PEOPLES: "EVERYTHING HAS GONE TERRIBLY BADLY, ALL HAVE BEEN WORN OUT WITH SUFFERING. WE ARE DESTROYING THE CAUSES OF YOUR TORMENT - NATIONALITIES, FRONTIERS, DIFFERENCES OF COINAGES.
YOU ARE AT LIBERTY, OF COURSE, TO PRONOUNCE SENTENCE UPON US, BUT CAN IT POSSIBLY BE A JUST ONE IF IT IS CONFIRMED BY YOU BEFORE YOU MAKE ANY TRIAL OF WHAT WE ARE OFFERING YOU."… [b]THEN WILL THE MOB EXALT US AND BEAR US UP IN THEIR HANDS IN A UNANIMOUS TRIUMPH OF HOPES AND EXPECTATIONS.
VOTING, WHICH WE HAVE MADE THE INSTRUMENT WHICH WILL SET US ON THE THRONE OF THE WORLD[/b] BY TEACHING EVEN THE VERY SMALLEST UNITS OF MEMBERS OF THE HUMAN RACE TO VOTE BY MEANS OF MEETINGS AND AGREEMENTS BY GROUPS, WILL THEN HAVE SERVED ITS PURPOSES AND WILL PLAY ITS PART…[/i][/quote] http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion4.htm#Protocol%20%20No.%2010
Obama Rejects ‘Car Czar,’ Naming Geithner, Summers to Head Team
Feb. 16 (Bloomberg) – President Barack Obama opted against naming a “car czar,” instead asking Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and White House economic adviser Lawrence Summers to head a task force on revamping the U.S. auto industry… http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aNpLdwT2Frs4&refer=home
So how can someone like Jeff, as an example, be so AGAINST COMMUNISM and so FOR ZIONISM??
Confused? Thats the point…
[quote][i]"Amazing as is the technique of the Jewish political process, the readiness with which the American people can be counted on to do their part in forwarding the game is still more amazing…
People who are confused and discouraged by the various voices and discordant theories of today, each seeming to be plausible and promising, may find a clear clue to the value of the voices and the meaning of the theories if they understand that their confusion and discouragement comprise the very objective which is sought."[/i][/quote]
–Henry Ford
Obama is what you get when the losers actually get off their asses and vote. Don’t worry. The chances that they’ll muster the energy next time around are fairly low.
[quote]ProwlCat wrote:
Obama is what you get when the losers actually get off their asses and vote. Don’t worry. The chances that they’ll muster the energy next time around are fairly low.[/quote]
I encourage voting (even losers). But, literate people who voted for obama (in spite of massive warning bells) should be ashamed.
Not to mention the so-called Conservatives who stayed home.
[quote]Jeff R wrote:
ProwlCat wrote:
Obama is what you get when the losers actually get off their asses and vote. Don’t worry. The chances that they’ll muster the energy next time around are fairly low.
I encourage voting (even losers). But, literate people who voted for obama (in spite of massive warning bells) should be ashamed.
Not to mention the so-called Conservatives who stayed home.
Thanks (sarcasm) to those two groups.
JeffR
[/quote]
To the lazy conservatives who sat home on their asses and the conservatives who just couldn’t vote for McCain…take a look, friends! Like what you see? Obama is what those of us who were paying attention thought he was (“They are who we THOUGHT they were!”): An unqualified bafoon with a gift for reading a telepromoter. Too bad telepromoters can’t make policy!
To those who jumped on his bandwagon…I’m reminded of something the great Charlton Heston said in ‘Planet of the Apes’, “You got what you wanted, tiger. How does it taste?”
I stayed home because the GoP has become the biggest threat to conservatism. So, I really didn’t have much choice. In fact, I now cringe every time someone uses ‘conservative’ and ‘Republican’ interchangeabley. The Democrats are who they are, a foe of conservatism. You know where they stand.
But, the Republicans are associated with Conservatism in most people’s mind. And boy, did they ever destroyed the hell out of that brand. Republicans got Obama into the White House, not me. You know who should despise Bush and the GoP the most? Democrats? Nope. Conservatives.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
I stayed home because the GoP has become the biggest threat to conservatism. So, I really didn’t have much choice. In fact, I now cringe every time someone uses ‘conservative’ and ‘Republican’ interchangeabley. The Democrats are who they are, a foe of conservatism. You know where they stand.
But, the Republicans are associated with Conservatism in most people’s mind. And boy, did they ever destroyed the hell out of that brand. Republicans got Obama into the White House, not me. You know who should despise Bush and the GoP the most? Democrats? Nope. Conservatives. [/quote]
I get what you are saying, but I’d rather have a half-assed conservative than a socialist pig who things the most inefficient entity on earth, governement, has all the answers.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
I stayed home because the GoP has become the biggest threat to conservatism. So, I really didn’t have much choice. In fact, I now cringe every time someone uses ‘conservative’ and ‘Republican’ interchangeabley. The Democrats are who they are, a foe of conservatism. You know where they stand.
But, the Republicans are associated with Conservatism in most people’s mind. And boy, did they ever destroyed the hell out of that brand. Republicans got Obama into the White House, not me. You know who should despise Bush and the GoP the most? Democrats? Nope. Conservatives. [/quote]
Sloth,
That’s fine if it happened in a vacuum. Or, if the alternative wasn’t so incredibly toxic and dangerous.
What you, and others like you, have done is handed the election to a socialist.
That, in my humble opinion, is far more dangerous than a guy like McCain.
[quote]pat wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I stayed home because the GoP has become the biggest threat to conservatism. So, I really didn’t have much choice. In fact, I now cringe every time someone uses ‘conservative’ and ‘Republican’ interchangeabley. The Democrats are who they are, a foe of conservatism. You know where they stand.
But, the Republicans are associated with Conservatism in most people’s mind. And boy, did they ever destroyed the hell out of that brand. Republicans got Obama into the White House, not me. You know who should despise Bush and the GoP the most? Democrats? Nope. Conservatives.
I get what you are saying, but I’d rather have a half-assed conservative than a socialist pig who things the most inefficient entity on earth, governement, has all the answers.
[/quote]
[quote]Jeff R wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I stayed home because the GoP has become the biggest threat to conservatism. So, I really didn’t have much choice. In fact, I now cringe every time someone uses ‘conservative’ and ‘Republican’ interchangeabley. The Democrats are who they are, a foe of conservatism. You know where they stand.
But, the Republicans are associated with Conservatism in most people’s mind. And boy, did they ever destroyed the hell out of that brand. Republicans got Obama into the White House, not me. You know who should despise Bush and the GoP the most? Democrats? Nope. Conservatives.
Sloth,
That’s fine if it happened in a vacuum. Or, if the alternative wasn’t so incredibly toxic and dangerous.
What you, and others like you, have done is handed the election to a socialist.
That, in my humble opinion, is far more dangerous than a guy like McCain.
JeffR
[/quote]
Nope. Those that kept up their support for Bush, and the Iraq war, handed this election over. And, as a nice little gift wrapped present for the Dems, the GoP’s performance now has Conservatism associated with big government spending, democracy crusades, overextended military, paying mere lip service to immigration issues, etc.
And, I think your focus on us, only proves my point. The GoP can always rely on it’s “Well, still, we’re not as bad as the other guys…” No, they’re not. They’re worse. After all, they’re the ones who can (and may already have} forever destroy conservatism as a responsible and prudent force for governance. Save conservatism, if it can be saved. Don’t vote GoP.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Jeff R wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I stayed home because the GoP has become the biggest threat to conservatism. So, I really didn’t have much choice. In fact, I now cringe every time someone uses ‘conservative’ and ‘Republican’ interchangeabley. The Democrats are who they are, a foe of conservatism. You know where they stand.
But, the Republicans are associated with Conservatism in most people’s mind. And boy, did they ever destroyed the hell out of that brand. Republicans got Obama into the White House, not me. You know who should despise Bush and the GoP the most? Democrats? Nope. Conservatives.
Sloth,
That’s fine if it happened in a vacuum. Or, if the alternative wasn’t so incredibly toxic and dangerous.
What you, and others like you, have done is handed the election to a socialist.
That, in my humble opinion, is far more dangerous than a guy like McCain.
JeffR
Nope. Those that kept up their support for Bush, and the Iraq war, handed this election over. And, as a nice little gift wrapped present for the Dems, the GoP’s performance now has Conservatism associated with big government spending, democracy crusades, overextended military, paying mere lip service to immigration issues, etc.
And, I think your focus on us, only proves my point. The GoP can always rely on it’s “Well, still, we’re not as bad as the other guys…” No, they’re not. They’re worse. After all, they’re the ones who can (and may already have} forever destroy conservatism as a responsible and prudent force for governance. Save conservatism, if it can be saved. Don’t vote GoP.[/quote]
Sloth, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
While I agree that I’m much for comfortable with Conservatives like Palin and Jindal, I’d pick McCain over obama every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Jeff R wrote:
Sloth wrote:
I stayed home because the GoP has become the biggest threat to conservatism. So, I really didn’t have much choice. In fact, I now cringe every time someone uses ‘conservative’ and ‘Republican’ interchangeabley. The Democrats are who they are, a foe of conservatism. You know where they stand.
But, the Republicans are associated with Conservatism in most people’s mind. And boy, did they ever destroyed the hell out of that brand. Republicans got Obama into the White House, not me. You know who should despise Bush and the GoP the most? Democrats? Nope. Conservatives.
Sloth,
That’s fine if it happened in a vacuum. Or, if the alternative wasn’t so incredibly toxic and dangerous.
What you, and others like you, have done is handed the election to a socialist.
That, in my humble opinion, is far more dangerous than a guy like McCain.
JeffR
Nope. Those that kept up their support for Bush, and the Iraq war, handed this election over. And, as a nice little gift wrapped present for the Dems, the GoP’s performance now has Conservatism associated with big government spending, democracy crusades, overextended military, paying mere lip service to immigration issues, etc.
And, I think your focus on us, only proves my point. The GoP can always rely on it’s “Well, still, we’re not as bad as the other guys…” No, they’re not. They’re worse. After all, they’re the ones who can (and may already have} forever destroy conservatism as a responsible and prudent force for governance. Save conservatism, if it can be saved. Don’t vote GoP.[/quote]
By the way, sloth, what was the alternative to the Iraq War?
