Obama - Black Man?

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Professor X wrote:

I didn’t ask you if you heard him speaking. Not only that, but he speaks no differently than I do.

Why not answer the question asked?

Further, are you saying speaking properly defines “speaking like a white man”?

I answered your first question in my last post. I definitely would not think he had any European blood in him, but I wouldn’t think he was pure black either.

I meant that his voice does not tell me what race he is. With most people, you can tell what race they are or where they are from by hearing them speak, whether by voice or by manner of speaking. Lots of black people speak properly but still sound like black people. I speak properly (I think) but still speak like a meathead from western PA. My boss speaks properly but he still sounds like an Indian. Maybe it’s an accent, I don’t know, but it’s definitely something that can be recognized.[/quote]

My grandmother spoke French. I had a slight accent from growing up around her when I started school. That means you might think I was white also. Ask Rainjack how I sound over the phone.

The bottom line is, perception is the issue and not one of you would think he was a white man if you saw him for the first time walking down the street…yet you claim you can’t understand why he associates himself with black people. Your comprehension of the issue leaves much to be desired.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
…and this point was answered early on, even though many of you seemed to not be able to comprehend the response at the time. It doesn’t matter if his background doesn’t directly involve slavery. By appearance alone, he has had to deal with every single issue that every other Black male has in this country. He is not thought of as ONLY black. However, every black person in this country knows that he has been treated just like a black man just like the rest of us. That was WHY I mentioned my own “racial background”.

Why did it take this many pages to get us back to the beginning? Honestly, why do so many of YOU have such a hard time understanding this?[/quote]

I have a hard time understanding because I’m not in your shoes. I haven’t experienced what you have. I think I understand your point now, but I can’t really relate. I guess that’s what my friends mean when they say “you wouldn’t understand.”

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Professor X wrote:
…and this point was answered early on, even though many of you seemed to not be able to comprehend the response at the time. It doesn’t matter if his background doesn’t directly involve slavery. By appearance alone, he has had to deal with every single issue that every other Black male has in this country. He is not thought of as ONLY black. However, every black person in this country knows that he has been treated just like a black man just like the rest of us. That was WHY I mentioned my own “racial background”.

Why did it take this many pages to get us back to the beginning? Honestly, why do so many of YOU have such a hard time understanding this?

I have a hard time understanding because I’m not in your shoes. I haven’t experienced what you have. I think I understand your point now, but I can’t really relate. I guess that’s what my friends mean when they say “you wouldn’t understand.”[/quote]

If you didn’t understand, why didn’t you “and company” shut up and listen from the beginning? Because you all thought I didn’t know what I was talking about?

It took 4 pages for you to finally listen to what was mentioned on the FIRST page?

I think the better question you should ask yourself is why so many of you think your perception is superior to that of many black people in this country.

I don’t know - if I didn’t know who he was and just saw his picture and had to guess, I’d probably think he was a Sri Lankan, or some other ethnicity from around the Indian subcontinent.

Here are a few pictures of Sri Lankans:

http://www.peterlanger.com/Countries/Asia/Srilanka/pages/LKNCPOL00190.htm

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
I don’t know - if I didn’t know who he was and just saw his picture and had to guess, I’d probably think he was a Sri Lankan, or some other ethnicity from around the Indian subcontinent.

Here are a few pictures of Sri Lankans:

http://www.peterlanger.com/Countries/Asia/Srilanka/pages/LKNCPOL00190.htm

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You are so full of shit it isn’t funny.

Laughing out loud at assuming he was Sri Lankan.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Varqanir wrote:
Yes. Obama is a black man.

The question to ask, though, is, “is he a black man in the same sense that most black men in America are black men?” The answer to that is no.

He is not the descendent of slaves. Nobody in his family was ever forcibly transported across the Atlantic. None of his relatives were ever whipped by a white foreman on a tobacco plantation, nor chased by bloodhounds through a swamp with broken chains around their ankles. None of his ancestors were ever spit on in a public street, or forced to drink from a different faucet, go to a different school, swim at a different beach, or ride at the back of the bus. None of his family ever lived in a sharecropper’s shack, a tenement, or a ghetto. None of his family ever died in a gang shooting, nor were they ever falsely arrested or beaten by white police.

His skin is… well, not black so much as khaki, but at least as dark as, say, Jesse Jackson’s. He is well and truly African-American, being equal parts of each, but his African side is from a different side of Africa than that of 99 percent of black Americans. In short, he doesn’t share the culture of the vast majority of black Americans, any more than the son of an aristocrat from Madrid shares the same culture of the vast majority of Hispanic Americans. This is not a criticism of the man. It is merely an observation.

Does it matter? I don’t know. Should it? Or is black only skin deep?

This is an excellent observation, Varq, and I am not sure that it should matter, but most likely it does.

After all, we often hear about the importance of authenticity of experience - as in, “you have no idea what it is like to be a [minority] in this country, so you have no moral authority to [criticize, suggest remedies, etc.]”.

If that be true, then by those lights, Obama lacks the authentic experience as much as the rest of the “majority”. In fact, Obama has less of it than most of the majority, given his privileged background.

And yet. Obama - by sheer virtue of blood quantum - gets a pass on the authentic experience test, while everyone else must be measured by it. It’s an odd - and hypocritical - phenomenon.

In this election, there will be two sub-groups among the general electorate: those who will vote for Obama because he is black, and those who will vote against him because he is black. These two camps couldn’t last five minutes in a room together - on paper, they likely hate each other - but, in fact, they are both guilty of the same, stupid crime and have very similar mindsets. They have more in common than they want to admit, and they drag the rest of us down.

Obama’s candidacy has done one good thing - it has educated us to the ignorance of the race-obsessed on both sides of the transaction. 2008 is a perfect opportunity to cast a pox on both houses.[/quote]

I think many of you who’ve never had to live a day with black (brown, khaki, mocha or whatever) skin are going to have a terribly difficult time understanding this. The Black experience is not something based solely on your ancestral roots. It’s also based in what you have to face on a day to day basis. I’m willing to bet Obama has been called and treated black his entire life regardless of who his parents are or where they’re from.

I’m half asian but I promise you I’ve never been called the “asian guy”…I look black, even after people meet my asian mother they still describe me as black. Now, 99% of the time I think being black is no different from being white…but then there’s that other 1%.

I deal with clients all over the country and from time to time I run into those who on the phone think I’m the best thing since sliced bread. They fly in, come to our building, speak with my secretary who gladly walks them into my office and BAM…there’s a black guy sitting at what they knew was a white guys desk. They clam up, get all nervous and you can immediately tell they’re uncomfortable. This doesn’t bother me at all but to tell me it doesn’t happen is just saying you’ve never experienced it because you’re not black. Ask any black professional in the corporate world and I’d be willing to bet they’ve had a similar experience.

Granted, being black today is not what it was the fifties but there are still challenges involved, even for a “khaki” black man like Obama, that white men are rarely subject to.


Not so far fetched. He has features one could easily attribute to many various ethnicities.

Here’s a picture of a Yemeni.

Here’s a picture an Indian kid.

Here’s a Native Hawaiian

[quote]deuce2 wrote:

I think many of you who’ve never had to live a day with black (brown, khaki, mocha or whatever) skin are going to have a terribly difficult time understanding this. The Black experience is not something based solely on your ancestral roots. It’s also based in what you have to face on a day to day basis. I’m willing to bet Obama has been called and treated black his entire life regardless of who his parents are or where they’re from.
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They are too busy downplaying or denying that we still face racism today to acknowledge that.

They still claim that anyone who mentions they experience it is “seeing racism everywhere” as if we don’t know what we are talking about.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Further, are you saying speaking properly defines “speaking like a white man”?[/quote]

Uh-oh! The paranoid hunt for racism everywhere begins!!

Where’s Aleksandr?

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
btm62 wrote:
Prof X brought up black history month. It was interesting to see how he described why it existed.

My personal opinion is that it is a crock of shit from the standpoint that no one else gets a month. Why does history always have to be taught as some kind of self-esteem therapy? Why do we have to stand it up as a race thing. Doesn’t GW Carver’s work stand on its own merits for instance. I believe that most every item that is put forward during black history month can be put forward at any time of the year on its own merit without propping it up as a race issue. Enough already.

Sorry ProfX thats how I see it.

And this is why this whole argument was addressed…do you really not know why things such as black history month,etc. exist??? It didn’t just pop up out of nowhere…what was the reasons behind it?? Keep an open mind and think about it. Besides this is bigger than just “black” history month.

From some of your previous posts,what you just wrote is really no surprise…just saying.[/quote]

Black History Month was created by white libs, to make them feel good. It also bought off black leaders, so they’d help supress rioting. Welfare, affirmative action, all that crap, is extortion paid by white libs. That’s why we voted 'em out finally in 1994.

But vampires do arise from the grave.

Them big bad evil “white” americans!

Anyways. The “ok for me, but not for you to say or do” rule has consistently shown up in these threads.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Them big bad evil “white” americans![/quote]

do you think racism exits at all in this country?

and more often than not they’re small petty men, not big, bad or evil.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Them big bad evil “white” americans![/quote]

This is funny. You just had someone of mixed racial background just log on in this thread and confirm what we have written, but your response is STILL to act as if we don’t know what we are talking about.

I am not sure there is a word for this.

Denial?

Ignorance?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Them big bad evil “white” americans!

This is funny. You just had someone of mixed racial background just log on in this thread and confirm what we have written, but your response is STILL to act as if we don’t know what we are talking about.

I am not sure there is a word for this.

Denial?

Ignorance?[/quote]

Ingorance of what?

[quote]deuce2 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Them big bad evil “white” americans!

do you think racism exits at all in this country?

and more often than not they’re small petty men, not big, bad or evil.
[/quote]

Of course racism exists. It will always exist. So will paranoia of it.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Them big bad evil “white” americans!

This is funny. You just had someone of mixed racial background just log on in this thread and confirm what we have written, but your response is STILL to act as if we don’t know what we are talking about.

I am not sure there is a word for this.

Denial?

Ignorance?

Ingorance of what? [/quote]

The word was “ignorance”, and if you have to ask, you have a severe case of it.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Them big bad evil “white” americans!

This is funny. You just had someone of mixed racial background just log on in this thread and confirm what we have written, but your response is STILL to act as if we don’t know what we are talking about.

I am not sure there is a word for this.

Denial?

Ignorance?

Ingorance of what?

The word was “ignorance”, and if you have to ask, you have a severe case of it.[/quote]

Does anyone else love it when a bigot lectures people about racial issues?

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Them big bad evil “white” americans!

This is funny. You just had someone of mixed racial background just log on in this thread and confirm what we have written, but your response is STILL to act as if we don’t know what we are talking about.

I am not sure there is a word for this.

Denial?

Ignorance?

Ingorance of what?

The word was “ignorance”, and if you have to ask, you have a severe case of it.

Does anyone else love it when a bigot lectures people about racial issues?
[/quote]

Laughable. I’m a bigot for acknowledging that we still deal with racism today that outweighs that of most social groups?

Please, find the “bigoted” posts that you claim have been written.

Several people have now written almost exactly what I have so why single me out as if I am saying something different than they are?