Obama - Black Man?

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]btm62 wrote:
Prof X brought up black history month. It was interesting to see how he described why it existed.

My personal opinion is that it is a crock of shit from the standpoint that no one else gets a month. Why does history always have to be taught as some kind of self-esteem therapy? Why do we have to stand it up as a race thing. Doesn’t GW Carver’s work stand on its own merits for instance. I believe that most every item that is put forward during black history month can be put forward at any time of the year on its own merit without propping it up as a race issue. Enough already.

Sorry ProfX thats how I see it. [/quote]

And this is why this whole argument was addressed…do you really not know why things such as black history month,etc. exist??? It didn’t just pop up out of nowhere…what was the reasons behind it?? Keep an open mind and think about it. Besides this is bigger than just “black” history month.

From some of your previous posts,what you just wrote is really no surprise…just saying.

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[quote]entheogens wrote:
Sloth wrote:
To me, Tubman, Parks, King, Carver, etc. are AMERICAN (i.e. my) historical figures. They and others can, and should be, covered within general history courses. Oddly, my schools did this, and still had a “black” history month.

Why leave it there? Celine Dion isn’t quebecoise, she is Canadian. No, she’s not Canadian, she’s human. No, she isn’t human, she’s a simian. No, she isn’t a simian. She’s a mammal. No, she’s not a mammal, she’s an animal. No, she’s not an animal, she’s actually just a collection of atoms. Hey, Celine Dion is no different than me, has no particular history that makes her special, since, just like me, she’s a collection of atoms.

What is this nominalism?!!!

It occurs to me that this “we are all americans” is just a convenient form of amnesia about racism. That’s one extreme. Though, I do agree that a member of a given a given group can over-identify. That’s possible and certainly does happen.

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You know what? Screw this. I’m not going to walk off because someone wants to get pissy. And, a kind PM from a good-natured member helps.

Now, what is the point of your question? Do you want me to label people as black americans? Or, just Americans? Because, frankly, I’m being told that’s bad, and is resented. Yet, from your line of questioning, it seems you take exception to the fact that I didn’t label them as “blacks.” If you had some other motivation, please share. And what do you mean “amnesia?” Did I not say these figures should be absorbed from “black history” into “American History.” Meaning they, and all the subjects surrounding them and their period in history would be covered during instuction about…well, that period in history. It would simply be American History. Our history.

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I have so much to add to this discussion…but I have to get on post for work…I might be able squeeze out some time with the laptop later tonight…holla.

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YES! Another Race thread…You negroes and us crackers really should come together and start blaming the wetbacks.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
I have so much to add to this discussion…but I have to get on post for work…I might be able squeeze out some time with the laptop later tonight…holla.[/quote]

It won’t make a difference. Anyone who acts as if Black History Month or any focus on Black Pride in this country is wrong or was never necessary is completely blind to American History itself. Trying to reason with someone like that is pointless. They will forever act like The Civil Rights Movement was just for kicks and that there never was a large problem with this country as a whole concerning race just 3 decades ago or less.

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[quote]dk44 wrote:
YES! Another Race thread…You negroes and us crackers really should come together and start blaming the wetbacks.

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What about us mixed folk?

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[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
dk44 wrote:
YES! Another Race thread…You negroes and us crackers really should come together and start blaming the wetbacks.

What about us mixed folk?

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You gonna either need to add a lil mo’ Hershey Syrup or a lil mo’ milk.

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[quote]dk44 wrote:
xXSeraphimXx wrote:
dk44 wrote:
YES! Another Race thread…You negroes and us crackers really should come together and start blaming the wetbacks.

What about us mixed folk?

You gonna either need to add a lil mo’ Hershey Syrup or a lil mo’ milk. [/quote]

I’ll take more of both. But please, hold the resentment and hangups from either. I like my chocolate milk smooth and agreeable.

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[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Why is Barack Obama considered a black man? Isn’t his mother white? I have six cousins of mixed racial background, 3 are white/chinese, 3 are white/black, and none of them consider themselves as one or the other. The white/black cousins accurately describe themselves as “brown.” So why does everyone call Obama black?

Personally, I don’t give a rat’s ass what color he is. He’s an inspirational speaker and I think he would make a good leader.[/quote]

Even Al Sharpton says Obama is not really black! (;D)

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
dk44 wrote:
xXSeraphimXx wrote:
dk44 wrote:
YES! Another Race thread…You negroes and us crackers really should come together and start blaming the wetbacks.

What about us mixed folk?

You gonna either need to add a lil mo’ Hershey Syrup or a lil mo’ milk.

I’ll take more of both. But please, hold the resentment and hangups from either. I like my chocolate milk smooth and agreeable.[/quote]

So you wouldn’t drink ProX? He isn’t so bad, but he does keep sending me PM’s asking if I really want to poop with him.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Steel Nation wrote:
Why is Barack Obama considered a black man? Isn’t his mother white? I have six cousins of mixed racial background, 3 are white/chinese, 3 are white/black, and none of them consider themselves as one or the other. The white/black cousins accurately describe themselves as “brown.” So why does everyone call Obama black?

Personally, I don’t give a rat’s ass what color he is. He’s an inspirational speaker and I think he would make a good leader.

I am amazed anyone is this clueless to be asking this question. He is considered black by many because if you didn’t know who his parents were, you would think he was a black man. If you saw Tiger Woods years ago with his father, you would consider Tiger to be black. It is based on PERCEPTION. I am French-creole, American Indian, White and African. People will still label me as being black.

There are very few BLACK PEOPLE in this country who are 100% African by blood which means just about NONE of us should technically be considered black…yet has that stopped the rest of the world from calling us that? [/quote]

I think you mean that very few people who appear black are actually African. The term “black” is not African, it’s American.

But I totally agree that it is not what Obama considers himself, it’s what others label him as and how he is treated as a result. The same thing occurs in Mexico. The darker skinned people are looked down upon by those who are lighter. The distinction being that those who are darker must be more Indian and those lighter must be more Spanish.

Everybody always has to label people based on what they look like.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
dk44 wrote:
xXSeraphimXx wrote:
dk44 wrote:
YES! Another Race thread…You negroes and us crackers really should come together and start blaming the wetbacks.

What about us mixed folk?

You gonna either need to add a lil mo’ Hershey Syrup or a lil mo’ milk.

I’ll take more of both. But please, hold the resentment and hangups from either. I like my chocolate milk smooth and agreeable.[/quote]

“agreeable”? You must be gay? Not many women of any color are agreeable, and I have tasted almost all of them!

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
hypocritical son of a bitch who can’t understand what is being typed at all.

And I’m seeing the exact opposite. Frankly, I think you’re a closet bigot. You’ve been quick to stereotype “white america” and defend others who do so. You self identify, but don’t want others to acknowledge it. You hate labels, but want to defend labeling.

Frankly, I think you have a chip on your shoulder, and are more hinderance to honest racial “discussion” and reconcillation in this country, than a help. And, I think all children, of all heritages, in this nation will be better off when your type of attitude disappears into the dust-bin of history. Good day, as I have nothing further to say to you.[/quote]

Said like a true gentleman. I’m not one, but can recognize one. Since I’m not a gentleman, may I continue in your stead?

Most black people are VERY racist. Want proof? Look at how Pennsylvania went 89% for Obama. When have 89% of people agreed on ANYTHING in politics? Its so rare as to make the history books, like 9/11. It didn’t matter if Obama said or did anything, he got votes because of skin color.

Why are pundits practically guaranteeing Obama a victory in North Carolina? Well, duh, there’s lots of black people. They know that most black people are very racist and will vote for Obama.

Look how many criminals, like Kwame Kilpatrick in Detroit or Congressman Jefferson (NOLA) can get away with anything yet black people vote these evil people in year after year.

I guess when most black people don’t want to bother graduating from high school (less than 33% here in Cleveland), and 80% of black kids are born out of wedlock, one has to conclude that black people vote not by issues (which involves thinking) but by tribal affiliation. Sounds a lot like Africa…

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
Sloth wrote:
dk44 wrote:
xXSeraphimXx wrote:
dk44 wrote:
YES! Another Race thread…You negroes and us crackers really should come together and start blaming the wetbacks.

What about us mixed folk?

You gonna either need to add a lil mo’ Hershey Syrup or a lil mo’ milk.

I’ll take more of both. But please, hold the resentment and hangups from either. I like my chocolate milk smooth and agreeable.

“agreeable”? You must be gay? Not many women of any color are agreeable, and I have tasted almost all of them!

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Hold up now! I thought we were talking chocolate milk here! Honest!

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
btm62 wrote:
Prof X brought up black history month. It was interesting to see how he described why it existed.

My personal opinion is that it is a crock of shit from the standpoint that no one else gets a month. Why does history always have to be taught as some kind of self-esteem therapy? Why do we have to stand it up as a race thing. Doesn’t GW Carver’s work stand on its own merits for instance. I believe that most every item that is put forward during black history month can be put forward at any time of the year on its own merit without propping it up as a race issue. Enough already.

Sorry ProfX thats how I see it.

And this is why this whole argument was addressed…do you really not know why things such as black history month,etc. exist??? It didn’t just pop up out of nowhere…what was the reasons behind it?? Keep an open mind and think about it. Besides this is bigger than just “black” history month.

From some of your previous posts,what you just wrote is really no surprise…just saying.[/quote]

Again, why should I have to think about it? No one is striving to understand the other point of view. That is the problem. Why did it really come into existence? Other than to appease? The elephant in the room to me is just what I said. Enough already of “Yay for everyone because of skin color.”

I can really see where at one time it may have served a need, but I think its time has passed. I agree its bigger than black history month, I was using that as an example. The focus doesn’t need to be on “we” anymore, it needs to be on the “us”. Maybe its where I live, but I see the we’s having all the trouble and the us’s living good lives in harmony for the most part. That is oversimplification but its true.

I don’t want this to turn into a discussion about how “us” means white or acting white and blah, blah, blah…Its not about that.

And if you want to discuss any previous posts, I would be glad to do it via PM. I am open to discussion and may learn something.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
I have so much to add to this discussion…but I have to get on post for work…I might be able squeeze out some time with the laptop later tonight…holla.

It won’t make a difference. Anyone who acts as if Black History Month or any focus on Black Pride in this country is wrong or was never necessary is completely blind to American History itself. Trying to reason with someone like that is pointless. They will forever act like The Civil Rights Movement was just for kicks and that there never was a large problem with this country as a whole concerning race just 3 decades ago or less.[/quote]

I feel the same way basically, only on the other “side” of the issue. Frustrating huh?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
hypocritical son of a bitch who can’t understand what is being typed at all.

And I’m seeing the exact opposite. Frankly, I think you’re a closet bigot. You’ve been quick to stereotype “white america” and defend others who do so. You self identify, but don’t want others to acknowledge it. You hate labels, but want to defend labeling.

Frankly, I think you have a chip on your shoulder, and are more hinderance to honest racial “discussion” and reconcillation in this country, than a help. And, I think all children, of all heritages, in this nation will be better off when your type of attitude disappears into the dust-bin of history. Good day, as I have nothing further to say to you.

LOL. Yes, because any black man who speaks up as a black man is labeled “militant”. This thread, again, is ridiculous.[/quote]

Another screw it, where I go back on saying I was done with Prof X. Only because I already decided to hang around the thread, after saying I wouldn’t. And, because another glaring double standard oozes forth.

"Yes, because any black man who speaks up AS A BLACK MAN is labeled “miliant.” Your words, not mine.

This started off with you resentful of being labeled a black man. And I argued that as Americans, the racial subdividing (the racial labeling) of our history, and our culture, and our “pride” was counter-productive. These two should have gone together. It didn’t.

Anways, at one point during our argument I pointed out that as much you despised the labeling, you’d adopt those labels when you saw fit. And here you are, as you’ve described, speaking as a “BLACK” man. Throwing the label on when needed? Good enough for you, but not for me?

And the inferred “typical white guy,” saying the “black fella is militant” is another classic double standard. Do you know how often that gets used? That’s inheritated guilt trip 101. No, I can speak for myself, I don’t need your bigotry to put words in my mouth (because hey, I’m “white” america, you know what I’m REALLY thinking). You’re just a sad, bitter, and angry man. You’re no militant. Militants would commit violence for their cause. So no, not a black militant. Just a bitter man.

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Just on a side not, based on appearance alone I doubt many people outside the US would describe that Jeremiah Wright guy as “black”.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

Remember the “African-American” craze? I didn’t know what the hell to say in situations where I needed to physically describe someone. I’ve had people get offended because I hyphenated their Americanism. Yet, I’ve had people offended because I didn’t.

I’m fine with not labeling someone as a “black man” in a way that has anymore meaning than a quick descriptive refrence. But, at the same time, I have a feeling that someone would probably turn around and talk about “black” history or culture. I mean, we do have a “Black” history month, after all.[/quote]

Why even worry about it?

If someone wants to get offended over a minor issue of semantics, just let them be offended. There is no point attempting to censor yourself to the point where you never offend anyone at all.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am amazed anyone is this clueless to be asking this question. He is considered black by many because if you didn’t know who his parents were, you would think he was a black man. If you saw Tiger Woods years ago with his father, you would consider Tiger to be black. It is based on PERCEPTION. I am French-creole, American Indian, White and African. People will still label me as being black.

There are very few BLACK PEOPLE in this country who are 100% African by blood which means just about NONE of us should technically be considered black…yet has that stopped the rest of the world from calling us that? [/quote]

But if you do know who his parents are, are you still supposed to consider him a black man? That’s my point/question.