Obama Battling Foreclosures

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/28/obama-administration-plans-new-efforts-battle-foreclosure-crisis/?test=latestnews

WASHINGTON – The Obama administration, battling a foreclosure crisis that shows no signs of relenting, will step up pressure on mortgage companies to do more to help people remain in their homes, officials said Saturday.

The administration will announce its expanded program on Monday, Treasury spokeswoman Meg Reilly said.

“We are taking additional steps to enhance servicer transparency and accountability,” Reilly said. She said the goal was to increase the rate that troubled home loans were converted into new loans with lower monthly payments.

Industry officials said the new effort would include increased pressure on mortgage companies to accelerate loan modifications by highlighting firms that are lagging in that area.

The Treasury is also expected to announce that it will wait until the loan modifications are permanent before paying cash incentives to mortgage companies that lower loan payments.

Under the $75 billion Treasury program, companies that agree to lower payments for troubled borrowers collect $1,000 initially from the government for each loan, followed by $1,000 annually for up to three years.

The government support, which is provided from the $700 billion financial bailout program, is aimed at providing cash incentives for mortgage providers to accept smaller mortgage payments rather than foreclosing on homes.

The program has come under heavy criticism for failing to do enough to attack a tidal wave of foreclosures. Analysts said the foreclosure crisis is likely to persist well into next year as high unemployment pushes more people out of their homes.

Rising foreclosures depress home prices and threaten the sustainability of the fledgling economic recovery.

A report last week from the Mortgage Bankers Association found that 14 percent of homeowners with mortgages were either behind on payments or in foreclosure at the end of September, a record level for the ninth straight quarter.

The Congressional Oversight Panel, a committee that monitors spending under Treasury’s bailout program, concluded in a report last month that foreclosures are now threatening families who took out conventional, fixed-rate mortgages and put down payments of 10 to 20 percent on homes that would have been within their means in a normal market.

Treasury’s program, known as the Home Affordable Modification Program, “is targeted at the housing crisis as it existed six months ago, rather than as it exists right now,” the report said.

Scott Talbott, senior vice president of government affairs for the Financial Services Roundtable, said the industry supported many of the changes Treasury was proposing.

But he said the foreclosure problem, which began with heavy defaults on subprime mortgages, was expanding to more traditional types of mortgages because of unemployment which has now hit a 26-year high of 10.2 percent.

“The subprime problem has regrettably morphed into an unemployment problem,” Talbott said. He said there was no government program to help the unemployed who are in danger of losing their homes but “many private lenders are modifying loans for the unemployed on their own.”

Treasury’s Reilly said the expanded program would, among other steps, make more aid available to struggling borrowers and expand the number of organizations providing help.

I guess having the bubble blow up once was not enough for these people.

And my string of bad spelling mistakes continues. request to fix name of thread on the way.

It’s like you have an epileptic fit every time you type a title.

You see, they create that bubble again on purpose. This way, when the next “crisis” happens resulting from this, they can power grab even more. That has to be it. They can’t possibly be that stupid, can they?

The whole thing stinks, but what really got me was “Industry officials said the new effort would include increased pressure on mortgage companies to accelerate loan modifications by highlighting firms that are lagging in that area.” You can’t accelerate loan modifications without hiring more loan modifiers, training them, and then paying them. Finding people shouldn’t be that hard, but training them takes some time as well as distracts other mods from doing their job. Then comes paying these extra employees. Mortgage companies are obviously not making that much money since people aren’t paying their mortgages.

If people are unemployed, then how are they going to even pay a reduced monthly payment? Plus, you can’t modify all loans, and have to follow guidelines when seeing if someone qualifies for a mod or not.

What I don’t get is that the government is asking mortgage companies to take a hit, but what about home owners insurance, property taxes, school taxes, etc.? For instance, my property taxes just went up. People are having a hard time, but those taxes still keep getting raised.

On the other hand, it’s sad, but we can’t keep rewarding failure.

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
It’s like you have an epileptic fit every time you type a title.[/quote]

I really don’t know what happens when it comes to titles. I really need to pay more attention.

[quote]Scuba19 wrote:
You see, they create that bubble again on purpose. This way, when the next “crisis” happens resulting from this, they can power grab even more. That has to be it. They can’t possibly be that stupid, can they?

The whole thing stinks, but what really got me was “Industry officials said the new effort would include increased pressure on mortgage companies to accelerate loan modifications by highlighting firms that are lagging in that area.” You can’t accelerate loan modifications without hiring more loan modifiers, training them, and then paying them. Finding people shouldn’t be that hard, but training them takes some time as well as distracts other mods from doing their job. Then comes paying these extra employees. Mortgage companies are obviously not making that much money since people aren’t paying their mortgages.

If people are unemployed, then how are they going to even pay a reduced monthly payment? Plus, you can’t modify all loans, and have to follow guidelines when seeing if someone qualifies for a mod or not.

What I don’t get is that the government is asking mortgage companies to take a hit, but what about home owners insurance, property taxes, school taxes, etc.? For instance, my property taxes just went up. People are having a hard time, but those taxes still keep getting raised.

On the other hand, it’s sad, but we can’t keep rewarding failure.[/quote]

Eventually we will finally reap what we sow. This is just an attempt to delay the inevitable. They may be able to inflate it for 2-3 years but in the end it will pop and be even worse then before.

This could be solved by just giving the homes away for free?! [sarcasm]

Honestly tho…if these things are just going to become unoccupied foreclosures, perhaps refinancing them for a price that is equivalent to the current market (severely depressed) and more manageable by the owner would be good.

[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
This could be solved by just giving the homes away for free?! [sarcasm]

Honestly tho…if these things are just going to become unoccupied foreclosures, perhaps refinancing them for a price that is equivalent to the current market (severely depressed) and more manageable by the owner would be good.[/quote]

It’s not that easy. I’d like to elaborate, but can’t go into too great of detail since my experience working for a mortgage company is limited to loan modifications for people who filed bankruptcy.

If the prices of homes increase from that of the loan amount, do debtors pay more? No, so why should loan companies have to accept less because people can’t follow through on their commitments?

[quote]Scuba19 wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
This could be solved by just giving the homes away for free?! [sarcasm]

Honestly tho…if these things are just going to become unoccupied foreclosures, perhaps refinancing them for a price that is equivalent to the current market (severely depressed) and more manageable by the owner would be good.

It’s not that easy. I’d like to elaborate, but can’t go into too great of detail since my experience working for a mortgage company is limited to loan modifications for people who filed bankruptcy.

If the prices of homes increase from that of the loan amount, do debtors pay more? No, so why should loan companies have to accept less because people can’t follow through on their commitments?[/quote]

I agree with what you’re saying and the capitalist motive behind it. Perhaps their should be an engineered stipulation that equity must be split in some way with the company, when real equity is restored, in a required refinance.

If a person can pay, but not the amount stipulated, and also has no motive to do so, if his house is no longer work that. Rather than collapse the system entirely fucking the investors, the bankers and ruining the reputation of the client. A new negotiation should take place. I don’t say this from some moral bleeding heart stand point but rather a practical one. Why have everything fail when you can at least sustain it. Why take zero when you can have 1/2?

[quote]Scuba19 wrote:
3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
This could be solved by just giving the homes away for free?! [sarcasm]

Honestly tho…if these things are just going to become unoccupied foreclosures, perhaps refinancing them for a price that is equivalent to the current market (severely depressed) and more manageable by the owner would be good.

It’s not that easy. I’d like to elaborate, but can’t go into too great of detail since my experience working for a mortgage company is limited to loan modifications for people who filed bankruptcy.

If the prices of homes increase from that of the loan amount, do debtors pay more? No, so why should loan companies have to accept less because people can’t follow through on their commitments?[/quote]

You know your whole life depends on the powers that be and how they influence and direct the market. The market that gives us loans and jobs. So when the market tanks and companies go under and people lose their jobs, how can you say someone didn’t follow through with their commitment? It’s no fault of theirs their life is turned up side down and are out in the cold. Then the banker comes along and says, too bad, Get out on the street, you broke your commitment.

Seems so very wrong, but alas it is reality. It is in fact, the dark side of capitalism.

[quote]ephrem wrote:
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LOL. Exactly.

[quote]Gregus wrote:

You know your whole life depends on the powers that be and how they influence and direct the market. The market that gives us loans and jobs. So when the market tanks and companies go under and people lose their jobs, how can you say someone didn’t follow through with their commitment? It’s no fault of theirs their life is turned up side down and are out in the cold. Then the banker comes along and says, too bad, Get out on the street, you broke your commitment.

Seems so very wrong, but alas it is reality. It is in fact, the dark side of capitalism. [/quote]

If you can not pay your debt on the house you lose it, it is that simple. We can’t keep bailing everyone out. This is not the fault of Capitalism, this is the fault of Fascism.

[quote]John S. wrote:
Gregus wrote:

You know your whole life depends on the powers that be and how they influence and direct the market. The market that gives us loans and jobs. So when the market tanks and companies go under and people lose their jobs, how can you say someone didn’t follow through with their commitment? It’s no fault of theirs their life is turned up side down and are out in the cold. Then the banker comes along and says, too bad, Get out on the street, you broke your commitment.

Seems so very wrong, but alas it is reality. It is in fact, the dark side of capitalism.

If you can not pay your debt on the house you lose it, it is that simple. We can’t keep bailing everyone out. This is not the fault of Capitalism, this is the fault of Fascism.[/quote]

And so there fore the investors who bought the stocks and derivatives that make the backbone of the loans get completley burned as well. Great idea, so in the future, they will just be sure to NEVER EVER GET FUCKING BURNED AGAIN, and it will be impossible to get financing on a house without 80 percent down. House construction will fall short and millions in related fields will be out of a job. Your astute capitalist strategy is robust and adaptable!


In some ways, bubbles are good. They spur investment and innovation as everyone tries to catch a piece of the booming economy. The following collapse weeds out those who didn’t prepare. And part of preparing involves avoiding allowing the G fom taking money from you to make the losers whole (one reason elites hate gold).

Since G won’t give up fiat money any time soon, use the bubbles to further and further remove yourself from their reach. Buy physical assets, like gold or land in isolated areas (you can go hunting there, at the very least ;).

[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:

And so there fore the investors who bought the stocks and derivatives that make the backbone of the loans get completley burned as well. Great idea, so in the future, they will just be sure to NEVER EVER GET FUCKING BURNED AGAIN, and it will be impossible to get financing on a house without 80 percent down. House construction will fall short and millions in related fields will be out of a job. Your astute capitalist strategy is robust and adaptable![/quote]

And yet with the bubble that is being created along with everything else that is happening is going to destroy the dollar. Maybe you are willing to allow 300 million people to go belly up but I am not.

We have been given so many chances to stop this madness and we continue it under the lie that we are helping people.

When we made the switch to fascism in the .com bust we put this on ourselves.

Eventually we will have to pay the price, and as I have said with this administration and with people like you we will all be finding out what true poverty looks like.

Once you look past the end of your noes you will realize that what we are doing is hurting you me and everyone else.

I wonder how long it will be before you are bitching about the increase in prices that are about to happen.

And one more thing if you really think that the people losing their homes are the ones that put down 20% then you must be smoking some really good shit.

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If we return to 20% down payment for loans people would have no problem investing in the loan market. Saying they would never go into it again is retarded. that is like saying no one would invest in the stock market after the crash.

[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
John S. wrote:
Gregus wrote:

You know your whole life depends on the powers that be and how they influence and direct the market. The market that gives us loans and jobs. So when the market tanks and companies go under and people lose their jobs, how can you say someone didn’t follow through with their commitment? It’s no fault of theirs their life is turned up side down and are out in the cold. Then the banker comes along and says, too bad, Get out on the street, you broke your commitment.

Seems so very wrong, but alas it is reality. It is in fact, the dark side of capitalism.

If you can not pay your debt on the house you lose it, it is that simple. We can’t keep bailing everyone out. This is not the fault of Capitalism, this is the fault of Fascism.

And so there fore the investors who bought the stocks and derivatives that make the backbone of the loans get completley burned as well. Great idea, so in the future, they will just be sure to NEVER EVER GET FUCKING BURNED AGAIN, and it will be impossible to get financing on a house without 80 percent down. House construction will fall short and millions in related fields will be out of a job. Your astute capitalist strategy is robust and adaptable![/quote]

That’s only part of the equation. The other part is the 10 year long attack on lending standards so that more non-Asian minorities could own homes. After lending standards were attacked on diversity grounds, the effect spread countrywide. These bad loans were packaged, securitized (LOL), and sold on the margin.

We could return to normal lending standards (20% down, no more than 33% of income), but Barney Frank and Company appear to be trying to expand the CRA to credit unions. Moreover, Fannie and Freddie are still making bad loans to the un-creditworthy.

They’ll partially re-blow the housing bubble and then it’ll crash even harder come 2012 or later. Kongress is starting to actually feel the heat about the public debt.

Looks like my home purchase plans need to go on hold.

I wouldn’t so much blame capitalism for this as I would blame Politically Correct Diversity Capitalism - the capitalism of equal racial outcomes in lending regardless of FICO score.

Lending standards are there for a reason.

A really important thing to keep in mind is that just because you are approved for a loan, doesn’t mean you should take it. What this all comes down to, is that people live above their means. Taking out a loan for the maximum amount possible to buy a new house is never a good idea. You should always leave yourself somewhat of a cushion.

I can’t tell you how many people request loan modifications because they “can’t afford it”. However, their monthly bills still include:

-$300 for cellphones
-$150 for cable
-$1000 for 2 car payments (at least)
-$500 for some type of lessons for their kids (ballet, dance, etc.)
-$1000 in food for 4 people
-etc.

[quote]3IdSpetsnaz wrote:
This could be solved by just giving the homes away for free?! [sarcasm]

Honestly tho…if these things are just going to become unoccupied foreclosures, perhaps refinancing them for a price that is equivalent to the current market (severely depressed) and more manageable by the owner would be good.[/quote]

It’s funny you mention that, there were some homes in Victorville being built, which the banks gave up on because the market would have them just sit there. This is a city with a high level of foreclosures, unemployment, and homelessness. The banks decided to bulldoze them, rather than have them sit and have squatters destroy them over time.

[quote]Scuba19 wrote:
A really important thing to keep in mind is that just because you are approved for a loan, doesn’t mean you should take it. What this all comes down to, is that people live above their means. Taking out a loan for the maximum amount possible to buy a new house is never a good idea. You should always leave yourself somewhat of a cushion.

I can’t tell you how many people request loan modifications because they “can’t afford it”. However, their monthly bills still include:

-$300 for cellphones
-$150 for cable
-$1000 for 2 car payments (at least)
-$500 for some type of lessons for their kids (ballet, dance, etc.)
-$1000 in food for 4 people
-etc.[/quote]

Agreed in general, but on that last item: $250/month in food per person, assuming adults or teens, is hardly extravagant.