Obama Attacks Gun Owners

Professor_X · November 18, 2008, 6:44pm

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

. I wish you would read an entire post. I said he is a politician he is never going to come straight out and say “I am against gun ownership” because that would alienate the NRA and other gun owners a pretty large group of voters in this country. [/quote]

Well then, why do you think there will suddenly be some legislation to actually ban all guns?

[quote]
That does not mean he doesn’t INTEND to regulate guns to the point where it is nearly impossible to get one legally. This is just the beginning in 10-20 years we may look back and see this is how it started and now we all have chips embedded in our hands and have mandatory curfews[/quote]

Or you could be blowing this out of proportion. One of the two.

[quote]
Further more I want to know why it is even a question on his questionnaire.[/quote]

If it were mine, there would be more personal questions than that.

[quote]
Yes he wants to know if someone on his staff used a gun to kill someone I get it. He doesn’t want to take the heat that?s fine, but answer one of my original questions. Is it okay for the secret service to use weapons then? Why can’t an advisor own a gun legally, but a secret service man can? [/quote]

Where have you read that an ‘advisor’ can’t own a gun? Quit making shit up.

Professor_X · November 18, 2008, 6:46pm

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:

How is LIMITING gun purchases to once a month the same as not wanting anyone to have guns?

Why does there need to be a limit? If the constitution does not put a limit on the number of guns, or the frequency of purchasing guns - why should Obama want to?

Columbine was an unfortunate accident. Let’s stop pretending as if we don’t have to worry about those types any longer. I am not against guns at all but can easily see why some people would want limits on purchases.

Those kids at Columbine were twisted individuals. They were the ones that committed the crimes not the guns. The triggers did not pull themselves. That is like the good old argument that it’s the spoons fault Rosie O?Donnell is fat. When it is her own damn fault. Stop blaming a piece of equipment for all the violence in this country. People were killing themselves when all they had were bows and arrows. I mean give me a break the invention of the gun did not bring about the first murder or war or anything else for that matter it is just a tool.

Should we take away the right to buy Pepsi because the High Fructose Corn Syrup makes people Fat?
[/quote]

You are comparing obesity to mass murders while school is in progress?

anon50325502 · November 18, 2008, 6:55pm

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=2322

“The results of ?gun control? have been very clear to anyone willing to see it. Those areas that restrict law abiding citizens from owning guns have the highest violent crime rates in the country, while areas that allow citizens to own guns are relatively free of gun crime.”

http://military.rightpundits.com/2005/12/14/guns-in-kennesaw/

“San Francisco has also experienced a surge in gun related crime. San Francisco has strict anti-gun legislation. Only 10 people in the San Francisco area have permits to carry firearms. TEN PEOPLE in all of San Francisco!”

In 1982 Kennesaw Georgia passed a Mandatory Gun Ownership law. The head of each household is required to keep at least one firearm in the home, with just a few exceptions.

“I?ve been to Kennesaw. I?ve seen people walking around there with guns on their hips, like in the old west.After 1982, Kennesaw Georgia saw a 74% drop in their crime rate. It?s murder rate has plummeted to 0.19 per year, almost non-existent. Other crimes, like rape and robberies have decreased at a similar rate.”

Just thougth I’d throw these out there. Pretty much proves why there should be few to no restrictions on gun purchase/ownership.

anon50325502 · November 18, 2008, 7:00pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:

. I wish you would read an entire post. I said he is a politician he is never going to come straight out and say “I am against gun ownership” because that would alienate the NRA and other gun owners a pretty large group of voters in this country.

Well then, why do you think there will suddenly be some legislation to actually ban all guns?

That does not mean he doesn’t INTEND to regulate guns to the point where it is nearly impossible to get one legally. This is just the beginning in 10-20 years we may look back and see this is how it started and now we all have chips embedded in our hands and have mandatory curfews

Or you could be blowing this out of proportion. One of the two.

Further more I want to know why it is even a question on his questionnaire.

If it were mine, there would be more personal questions than that.

Yes he wants to know if someone on his staff used a gun to kill someone I get it. He doesn’t want to take the heat that?s fine, but answer one of my original questions. Is it okay for the secret service to use weapons then? Why can’t an advisor own a gun legally, but a secret service man can?

Where have you read that an ‘advisor’ can’t own a gun? Quit making shit up.[/quote]

Obviously Obama is going to take into consideration whether or not a person owns a gun when he chooses who will be on his staff. If he didn’t care the question wouldn’t be asked. I would also ask much more personal questions. Who cares if you own a gun unless you have committed a crime with said gun? In that case of course you would probably be in jail and not looking for a job on his staff. I believe there will be more gun legislation in Obama’s presidency because of his track record in Illinois. See an above post.

I’m sorry I didn’t know an opinion counted as “making shit up” I guess all the thousands of post you have on the site, which are all your opinion, mean absolutely jack shit. So why are we even debating at all it there?s no point.

DoubleDuce · November 18, 2008, 7:01pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:

How is LIMITING gun purchases to once a month the same as not wanting anyone to have guns?

Why does there need to be a limit? If the constitution does not put a limit on the number of guns, or the frequency of purchasing guns - why should Obama want to?

Columbine was an unfortunate accident. Let’s stop pretending as if we don’t have to worry about those types any longer. I am not against guns at all but can easily see why some people would want limits on purchases.

This would have prevented them from getting guns in the months of preparation?

I don’t know or really care what would have prevented that at this point. I am making an example of them to show that everyone who wants a gun doesn’t exactly mean to simply protect themselves with it. I have no problem with gun regulation because of it.

There are more groups in this country than “gang members” and “innocent people who use guns wisely”. You also have that segment that is simply fucking crazy and may not show it openly until the deed is being committed.[/quote]

That I agree with. I’m for sensible regulation. I just don’t see limiting purchases to once a month as being a good way of regulating anything or preventing anything. They just seem like a law politicians try to pass to make it look like they are doing something when in fact it would probably never prevent a crime.

Also with combine, if the school officer didn’t have a gun to return fire, could it have been worse? A gun in that case may have also helped prevent people from dieing.

anon50325502 · November 19, 2008, 12:02am

[quote]Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:

How is LIMITING gun purchases to once a month the same as not wanting anyone to have guns?

Why does there need to be a limit? If the constitution does not put a limit on the number of guns, or the frequency of purchasing guns - why should Obama want to?

Columbine was an unfortunate accident. Let’s stop pretending as if we don’t have to worry about those types any longer. I am not against guns at all but can easily see why some people would want limits on purchases.

Those kids at Columbine were twisted individuals. They were the ones that committed the crimes not the guns. The triggers did not pull themselves. That is like the good old argument that it’s the spoons fault Rosie O?Donnell is fat. When it is her own damn fault. Stop blaming a piece of equipment for all the violence in this country. People were killing themselves when all they had were bows and arrows. I mean give me a break the invention of the gun did not bring about the first murder or war or anything else for that matter it is just a tool.

Should we take away the right to buy Pepsi because the High Fructose Corn Syrup makes people Fat?

You are comparing obesity to mass murders while school is in progress?
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I’m just making a point like you just made a point earlier.

I don’t think a couple of deaths constitutes “mass murder” either I mean who is blowing things out of proportion now.

Professor_X · November 19, 2008, 12:04am

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:

How is LIMITING gun purchases to once a month the same as not wanting anyone to have guns?

Why does there need to be a limit? If the constitution does not put a limit on the number of guns, or the frequency of purchasing guns - why should Obama want to?

Columbine was an unfortunate accident. Let’s stop pretending as if we don’t have to worry about those types any longer. I am not against guns at all but can easily see why some people would want limits on purchases.

Those kids at Columbine were twisted individuals. They were the ones that committed the crimes not the guns. The triggers did not pull themselves. That is like the good old argument that it’s the spoons fault Rosie O?Donnell is fat. When it is her own damn fault. Stop blaming a piece of equipment for all the violence in this country. People were killing themselves when all they had were bows and arrows. I mean give me a break the invention of the gun did not bring about the first murder or war or anything else for that matter it is just a tool.

Should we take away the right to buy Pepsi because the High Fructose Corn Syrup makes people Fat?

You are comparing obesity to mass murders while school is in progress?

I’m just making a point like you just made a point earlier.

I don’t think a couple of deaths constitutes “mass murder” either I mean who is blowing things out of proportion now.
[/quote]

There is a big difference between being able to eat as many Whoppers as you want to…and being able to walk into Wal-Mart and buy 15 rifles “buy one get one half off” as no one even bothers to check your id. Hell, maybe we can even get them through the self check out lane!

DoubleDuce · November 18, 2008, 7:13pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:

How is LIMITING gun purchases to once a month the same as not wanting anyone to have guns?

Why does there need to be a limit? If the constitution does not put a limit on the number of guns, or the frequency of purchasing guns - why should Obama want to?

Columbine was an unfortunate accident. Let’s stop pretending as if we don’t have to worry about those types any longer. I am not against guns at all but can easily see why some people would want limits on purchases.

Those kids at Columbine were twisted individuals. They were the ones that committed the crimes not the guns. The triggers did not pull themselves. That is like the good old argument that it’s the spoons fault Rosie O?Donnell is fat. When it is her own damn fault. Stop blaming a piece of equipment for all the violence in this country. People were killing themselves when all they had were bows and arrows. I mean give me a break the invention of the gun did not bring about the first murder or war or anything else for that matter it is just a tool.

Should we take away the right to buy Pepsi because the High Fructose Corn Syrup makes people Fat?

You are comparing obesity to mass murders while school is in progress?

I’m just making a point like you just made a point earlier.

I don’t think a couple of deaths constitutes “mass murder” either I mean who is blowing things out of proportion now.

There is a big difference between being able to eat as many Whoppers as you want to…and being able to walk into Wal-Mart and buy 15 rifles “buy one get one half off” as no one even bothers to check your id. Hell, maybe we can even get them through the self check out lane![/quote]

Have you ever bought a gun at Wal-mart? I have. I was initially denied one because I had moved from the address on my drivers license a couple of weeks prior. It isn’t like you can scoop up a handful lay down a couple of bills and walk out. They don’t even let you carry the gun in the store, they walk you out and hand it to you outside the building.

Professor_X · November 18, 2008, 7:27pm

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:

How is LIMITING gun purchases to once a month the same as not wanting anyone to have guns?

Why does there need to be a limit? If the constitution does not put a limit on the number of guns, or the frequency of purchasing guns - why should Obama want to?

Columbine was an unfortunate accident. Let’s stop pretending as if we don’t have to worry about those types any longer. I am not against guns at all but can easily see why some people would want limits on purchases.

Those kids at Columbine were twisted individuals. They were the ones that committed the crimes not the guns. The triggers did not pull themselves. That is like the good old argument that it’s the spoons fault Rosie O?Donnell is fat. When it is her own damn fault. Stop blaming a piece of equipment for all the violence in this country. People were killing themselves when all they had were bows and arrows. I mean give me a break the invention of the gun did not bring about the first murder or war or anything else for that matter it is just a tool.

Should we take away the right to buy Pepsi because the High Fructose Corn Syrup makes people Fat?

You are comparing obesity to mass murders while school is in progress?

I’m just making a point like you just made a point earlier.

I don’t think a couple of deaths constitutes “mass murder” either I mean who is blowing things out of proportion now.

There is a big difference between being able to eat as many Whoppers as you want to…and being able to walk into Wal-Mart and buy 15 rifles “buy one get one half off” as no one even bothers to check your id. Hell, maybe we can even get them through the self check out lane!

Have you ever bought a gun at Wal-mart? I have. I was initially denied one because I had moved from the address on my drivers license a couple of weeks prior. It isn’t like you can scoop up a handful lay down a couple of bills and walk out. They don’t even let you carry the gun in the store, they walk you out and hand it to you outside the building.[/quote]

Good.

My opinion is that regulation is needed. If you want a gun, get registered. Have your finger prints on file. I also believe in mandatory training whether that be every 5 years or every other year, something that indicates the person is still competent.

This isn’t the 1700’s. In a world where I can’t even drive down the street without being on 15 street cameras, yes, I want people with guns registered.

anon50325502 · November 18, 2008, 7:19pm

God your fucking dumb…you always miss the point. The point is you can buy 15 gun/you can buy 15 whooper. You can go kill someone/you can get so fat you have to be put on a flat bed to go to the bathroom. The point is you have to be responsible and do “the right thing”. I know in today?s world were the government gives everyone free rides and rapist only spend 5 years in jail no one get the concept of doing the right thing. If people did what they are suppose to do i.e. work hard, pay the bill, be friendly to people(not kill them…you know that do unto other thing) we would have almost no problems in this country. The minute you let someone regulate anything you just let their foot in the door and they will eventually weasel their way through it. If we let them ban rifles, then they will ban shot-guns, then hand guns, then knives, and then God knows we are in trouble. I am looking at the big picture. All you can do is pick a few times in history when guns have been used to hurt other people in a negative way like Columbine.

I can do that too.

Guns during the revolutionary war were used to free America
Guns in the civil war were used to free slaves
Guns in WWII we used to defeat the Nazi’s

Do I need to continue? Your argument is a dumb one. Guns do not kill people. Idiots kill people and they can do it with their bare hands. Should we hack off everyone?s hands because you can strangle someone with them if you want?

Professor_X · November 18, 2008, 7:23pm

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
There is a big difference between being able to eat as many Whoppers as you want to…and being able to walk into Wal-Mart and buy 15 rifles “buy one get one half off” as no one even bothers to check your id. Hell, maybe we can even get them through the self check out lane!

God your fucking dumb…you always miss the point. The point is you can buy 15 gun/you can buy 15 whooper. You can go kill someone/you can get so fat you have to be put on a flat bed to go to the bathroom. The point is you have to be responsible and do “the right thing”. I know in today?s world were the government gives everyone free rides and rapist only spend 5 years in jail no one get the concept of doing the right thing. If people did what they are suppose to do i.e. work hard, pay the bill, be friendly to people(not kill them…you know that do unto other thing) we would have almost no problems in this country. The minute you let someone regulate anything you just let their foot in the door and they will eventually weasel their way through it. If we let them ban rifles, then they will ban shot-guns, then hand guns, then knives, and then God knows we are in trouble. I am looking at the big picture. All you can do is pick a few times in history when guns have been used to hurt other people in a negative way like Columbine.

I can do that too.

Guns during the revolutionary war were used to free America
Guns in the civil war were used to free slaves
Guns in WWII we used to defeat the Nazi’s

Do I need to continue? Your argument is a dumb one. Guns do not kill people. Idiots kill people and they can do it with their bare hands. Should we hack off everyone?s hands because you can strangle someone with them if you want?
[/quote]

Your argument is a dumb one as well. I have not seen legislation indicating all guns are about to be banned and I doubt any such legislation would even survive. Democrats have guns too, especially in Texas.

You are paranoid and until you present direct quotes or written dialog indicating Obama’s plan is to get rid of all guns domestically, you are simply making things up at this point.

DoubleDuce · November 18, 2008, 7:31pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
There is a big difference between being able to eat as many Whoppers as you want to…and being able to walk into Wal-Mart and buy 15 rifles “buy one get one half off” as no one even bothers to check your id. Hell, maybe we can even get them through the self check out lane!

God your fucking dumb…you always miss the point. The point is you can buy 15 gun/you can buy 15 whooper. You can go kill someone/you can get so fat you have to be put on a flat bed to go to the bathroom. The point is you have to be responsible and do “the right thing”. I know in today?s world were the government gives everyone free rides and rapist only spend 5 years in jail no one get the concept of doing the right thing. If people did what they are suppose to do i.e. work hard, pay the bill, be friendly to people(not kill them…you know that do unto other thing) we would have almost no problems in this country. The minute you let someone regulate anything you just let their foot in the door and they will eventually weasel their way through it. If we let them ban rifles, then they will ban shot-guns, then hand guns, then knives, and then God knows we are in trouble. I am looking at the big picture. All you can do is pick a few times in history when guns have been used to hurt other people in a negative way like Columbine.

I can do that too.

Guns during the revolutionary war were used to free America
Guns in the civil war were used to free slaves
Guns in WWII we used to defeat the Nazi’s

Do I need to continue? Your argument is a dumb one. Guns do not kill people. Idiots kill people and they can do it with their bare hands. Should we hack off everyone?s hands because you can strangle someone with them if you want?

Your argument is a dumb one as well. I have not seen legislation indicating all guns are about to be banned and I doubt any such legislation would even survive. Democrats have guns too, especially in Texas.

You are paranoid and until you present direct quotes or written dialog indicating Obama’s plan is to get rid of all guns domestically, you are simply making things up at this point.

[/quote]

Like I said, I agree with sensible measures.

What I have a problem with is in places like California. They made the laws their so ridiculously complicated and unintelligible they forced people to give up their legal guns even. Did they ban guns? No. But they might as well have.

It was so screwed up the police were confiscating and destroying legal guns, because they weren’t sure on how to interpret some of the laws.

That isn’t sensible. And actually encourages gun crimes. I don’t see a plus side to that kind of regulation.

I like the idea of training classes though, but they already do that. To get a license to carry you have to take a class every year, and pay an absorbent fee in Mississippi. You have to take safety classes for a hunting license too.

anon50325502 · November 18, 2008, 7:32pm

[quote]Your argument is a dumb one as well. I have not seen legislation indicating all guns are about to be banned and I doubt any such legislation would even survive. Democrats have guns too, especially in Texas.

You are paranoid and until you present direct quotes or written dialog indicating Obama’s plan is to get rid of all guns domestically, you are simply making things up at this point.

[/quote]

Obama isn’t even president yet so of course there is no legislation yet, but if you look at his record he voted for gun control over and over again in his shot political career. I have already provided that information. I may be “paranoid” about the government taking over, but you are ignorant about that possibility. Think about how much the government already controls your life and tell me it isn’t cause for concern. Combine that with Obama’s healthcare plan…which would increase the size of the government and some of his other policies and you have the beginning of what could be a problem.

I also never said in a month after he become president guns will be banned. I said he would “get his foot in the door” so 10-15 years down the road someone can walk right through it.

once again he is a politician and is going to say what ever the ignorant masses want to hear and do another…what ever he wants to. As long as he has everyone pulled in he can do as he pleases.

Hitler sure was great speaker and you can’t deny a great leader and look at all the bullshit, hatred, and violence he created.

And no before you go off and not even read the whole post I am not comparing Obama to Hitler. My point is you just have to convince your country you are doing the right thing to be able to do anything.

anon50325502 · November 18, 2008, 7:34pm

This is what happens when you take people rights away.

apbt55 · November 18, 2008, 7:35pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
There is a big difference between being able to eat as many Whoppers as you want to…and being able to walk into Wal-Mart and buy 15 rifles “buy one get one half off” as no one even bothers to check your id. Hell, maybe we can even get them through the self check out lane!

God your fucking dumb…you always miss the point. The point is you can buy 15 gun/you can buy 15 whooper. You can go kill someone/you can get so fat you have to be put on a flat bed to go to the bathroom. The point is you have to be responsible and do “the right thing”. I know in today?s world were the government gives everyone free rides and rapist only spend 5 years in jail no one get the concept of doing the right thing. If people did what they are suppose to do i.e. work hard, pay the bill, be friendly to people(not kill them…you know that do unto other thing) we would have almost no problems in this country. The minute you let someone regulate anything you just let their foot in the door and they will eventually weasel their way through it. If we let them ban rifles, then they will ban shot-guns, then hand guns, then knives, and then God knows we are in trouble. I am looking at the big picture. All you can do is pick a few times in history when guns have been used to hurt other people in a negative way like Columbine.

I can do that too.

Guns during the revolutionary war were used to free America
Guns in the civil war were used to free slaves
Guns in WWII we used to defeat the Nazi’s

Do I need to continue? Your argument is a dumb one. Guns do not kill people. Idiots kill people and they can do it with their bare hands. Should we hack off everyone?s hands because you can strangle someone with them if you want?

Your argument is a dumb one as well. I have not seen legislation indicating all guns are about to be banned and I doubt any such legislation would even survive. Democrats have guns too, especially in Texas.

You are paranoid and until you present direct quotes or written dialog indicating Obama’s plan is to get rid of all guns domestically, you are simply making things up at this point.

[/quote]

Obamas record in Chicago may be an indication:

FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.17

FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate ?assault weapons,? but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18

FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and ?research.?8

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase restrictions.16

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9

United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. (U.S. Senate: U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress - 1st Session)
Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in ?Obama had greater role on liberal survey,? Politico, March 31, 2008. (Obama had greater role on liberal survey - POLITICO)
United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. (U.S. Senate: U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress - 1st Session)
David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, “Obama: ‘Common Sense Regulation’ On Gun Owners’ Rights,” ABC News’ “Political Radar” Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html)
Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3.
?Fact Check: No News In Obama’s Consistent Record.? Obama ?08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_obamas_c.php)
?Candidates’ gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,? Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and “Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns,” Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html)
1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.
?Obama and Gun Control,? The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (The Volokh Conspiracy - Obama and Gun Control:)
Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.
Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.
?Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,? Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (Radio Iowa)
Chicago Tribune blogs, ?Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,? February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_shoot.html)
Barack Obama campaign website: ?As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .? (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement.)
Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (Barack Obama on Gun Control and Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes) Oct 21, 2004.
Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.
United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005 and vote 2, January 31, 2006 and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008.
Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, March 13, 2003. To see the vote tally go to: Age Verification - NRA.

Professor_X · November 18, 2008, 7:44pm

[quote]apbt55 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
There is a big difference between being able to eat as many Whoppers as you want to…and being able to walk into Wal-Mart and buy 15 rifles “buy one get one half off” as no one even bothers to check your id. Hell, maybe we can even get them through the self check out lane!