[quote]Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Question…Does this mean the secret serivce won’t be carrying firearms? If that’s the case someone might be in trouble.
Was that a threat? I just want to know because I might need to call The Patriot Act for help dealing with you.[/quote]
“call the patriot act”…? for the love of god get a grip
[quote]DoubleR wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Question…Does this mean the secret serivce won’t be carrying firearms? If that’s the case someone might be in trouble.
Was that a threat? I just want to know because I might need to call The Patriot Act for help dealing with you.
“call the patriot act”…? for the love of god get a grip[/quote]
I forgot some people take things so literally that I need the crayons with me at all times.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
Anyone that polarized either right or left - means it’s an utter waste of time to try and change their minds. Best thing to do is just sit back and watch all the idiots proclaim the end of the world at Obama’s hands (just like they proclaimed the end of the world at the hands of GWB) and smugly laugh to yourself when absolutely NONE of it actually comes to pass… [/quote]
To be fair, for the weeks leading up to the election, there was ample “Palin Derangement Syndrome” to go around. It comes from all sides, no doubt.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
<<< You also thought there was no way in hell Obama would win this last election. Perspective is everything, isn’t it?[/quote]
If you can show me just one instance where I so much as implied anything like this I will send a 100 dollar donation to the DNC in my own name and publicly post proof that I have done so.
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
<<< Anyone that polarized either right or left - means it’s an utter waste of time to try and change their minds. Best thing to do is just sit back and watch all the idiots proclaim the end of the world at Obama’s hands (just like they proclaimed the end of the world at the hands of GWB) and smugly laugh to yourself when absolutely NONE of it actually comes to pass… [/quote]
Obama’s just the present face of leadership on an ideology it would have been an utter waste of time to try n change my mind about 20 years ago.
It’s the ideology I despise. Obama is almost incidental. It’s the lost citizenry who apparently have no idea any more what this country is and would put a battalion of nanny state socialists at the helm that terrify me.
Nobody is saying the world is going to end. The United States is not the world. I will however be here digging up my past posts when the things I HAVE said would happen do in fact happen. They’re not even in office yet and they’re already giving a taste of what is to come.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
I don’t think I’m a big threat to Mr. Obama since he is in a round about way my boss. Just making a point.
…and I am making the point that if similar had been written about Bush, you and many others would be all over it. Somehow, it is now ok.
I didn’t vote for Bush, but you never caught me writing anything like what you did in the several years I was writing on this board and he was my “boss” at the time as well.[/quote]
You like to blow things way out of proportion. At no point did I threaten the president elect nor am I advocating violence towards Mr. Obama. My point is about gun control the topic of this thread. If President elect Obama is so concerned about his staff not owning guns does that mean the secret service agents protecting him wont use them either? Why is it okay for them to have weapons, but not his adviser? A bit of a double standard I think.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
If President elect Obama is so concerned about his staff not owning guns… [/quote]
WHERE is this stated? Please show me where he has said with his own mouth or written with his own hand that he is “[quote]concerned about his staff NOT owning guns[/quote]”. None of those questions asked are strange for a politician to ask of prospective staff.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
If President elect Obama is so concerned about his staff not owning guns…
WHERE is this stated? Please show me where he has said with his own mouth or written with his own hand that he is “concerned about his staff NOT owning guns”. None of those questions asked are strange for a politician to ask of prospective staff.[/quote]
Here is an excerpt straight from the article, "Found in the questionnaire?s ?Miscellaneous? section, question 59 reads, ?Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun? If so, provide complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage.?
Did you even read the article? Yes it is part of his “questionnaire” clearly he is concerned about the gun ownership of his staff. I seriously doubt all other candidates made gun ownership as big of an issue or an issue at all when they were elected. I could be wrong, but I bet most of the presidents throughout our history have themselves owned guns. Some have even had to use them, but I guess that’s just another problem we face it seams the president no longer has to come from a military background to lead the nation.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
I don’t think I’m a big threat to Mr. Obama since he is in a round about way my boss. Just making a point.
…and I am making the point that if similar had been written about Bush, you and many others would be all over it. Somehow, it is now ok.
I didn’t vote for Bush, but you never caught me writing anything like what you did in the several years I was writing on this board and he was my “boss” at the time as well.[/quote]
You should read the thread “Treatment of Bush is a Disgrace”
You’ve post on the thread many times. I did not read you specifically saying we should kill Bush or hang Bush, but there are many posts that call for his death. Isn’t that Treason…why don’t you can the Patriot Act on them? I thought you shouldn’t be silent and should stand up against stupidity like that. Why haven’t you called them out?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
If President elect Obama is so concerned about his staff not owning guns…
WHERE is this stated? Please show me where he has said with his own mouth or written with his own hand that he is “concerned about his staff NOT owning guns”. None of those questions asked are strange for a politician to ask of prospective staff.
Here is an excerpt straight from the article, "Found in the questionnaire?s ?Miscellaneous? section, question 59 reads, ?Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun? If so, provide complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage.?
Did you even read the article? Yes it is part of his “questionnaire” clearly he is concerned about the gun ownership of his staff. I seriously doubt all other candidates made gun ownership as big of an issue or an issue at all when they were elected. I could be wrong, but I bet most of the presidents throughout our history have themselves owned guns. Some have even had to use them, but I guess that’s just another problem we face it seams the president no longer has to come from a military background to lead the nation.
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That’s not what I asked you. I asked you to find evidence of him not wanting his staff to have guns. All you’ve done is show questions that are asking if they own one legally.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
If President elect Obama is so concerned about his staff not owning guns…
WHERE is this stated? Please show me where he has said with his own mouth or written with his own hand that he is “concerned about his staff NOT owning guns”. None of those questions asked are strange for a politician to ask of prospective staff.
Here is an excerpt straight from the article, "Found in the questionnaire?s ?Miscellaneous? section, question 59 reads, ?Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun? If so, provide complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage.?
Did you even read the article? Yes it is part of his “questionnaire” clearly he is concerned about the gun ownership of his staff. I seriously doubt all other candidates made gun ownership as big of an issue or an issue at all when they were elected. I could be wrong, but I bet most of the presidents throughout our history have themselves owned guns. Some have even had to use them, but I guess that’s just another problem we face it seams the president no longer has to come from a military background to lead the nation.
That’s not what I asked you. I asked you to find evidence of him not wanting his staff to have guns. All you’ve done is show questions that are asking if they own one legally.[/quote]
President elect Obama has voted for SB1195 a provision in Illinois that would require guns owners to register with the state, He has endorsed an Illinois handgun ban, he supported the DC gun ban, he stated letting renewal of the ban on assault rifles pass by Bush was wrong, he wants to ban semi-auto weapons, he is for limiting gun purchases to 1 per month, and I’m sure there are others. He is CLEARLY against gun ownership or for very government controlled ownership. I’m sorry I don’t have the time to drive to DC and get a recording of him saying this, but it sounds to me like anyone that owns a gun legally or otherwise is going to have a hard time ending up on his team. Is that discrimination towards gun owners? I’m sure you’ll have some BS to say, but it is and that is just as wrong as discriminating against some one because of their color. Especially since guns are the reason we even have an America and are not still a British Colony.
You may be forgetting, but the reason for the 2nd amendment was to protect us against government. You like to equate everything to oppression and that is why the 2nd amendment was created because the American colonies were being oppressed by the King of England. We will always have to fear an oppressive government.
Oh and I’m not a mind reader Obama may love guns and he might love men for all I know. A politician is not going to single out one group because that would hurt his chances of election/re-election…It’s just a game to them and appearing to love and want to help everyone is just part of it whether that is his intention or not.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
If President elect Obama is so concerned about his staff not owning guns…
WHERE is this stated? Please show me where he has said with his own mouth or written with his own hand that he is “concerned about his staff NOT owning guns”. None of those questions asked are strange for a politician to ask of prospective staff.
Here is an excerpt straight from the article, "Found in the questionnaire?s ?Miscellaneous? section, question 59 reads, ?Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun? If so, provide complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage.?
Did you even read the article? Yes it is part of his “questionnaire” clearly he is concerned about the gun ownership of his staff. I seriously doubt all other candidates made gun ownership as big of an issue or an issue at all when they were elected. I could be wrong, but I bet most of the presidents throughout our history have themselves owned guns. Some have even had to use them, but I guess that’s just another problem we face it seams the president no longer has to come from a military background to lead the nation.
That’s not what I asked you. I asked you to find evidence of him not wanting his staff to have guns. All you’ve done is show questions that are asking if they own one legally.
President elect Obama has voted for SB1195 a provision in Illinois that would require guns owners to register with the state, He has endorsed an Illinois handgun ban, he supported the DC gun ban, he stated letting renewal of the ban on assault rifles pass by Bush was wrong, he wants to ban semi-auto weapons, he is for limiting gun purchases to 1 per month, and I’m sure there are others. [/quote]
How is LIMITING gun purchases to once a month the same as not wanting anyone to have guns?
I am tired of exaggeration or twisting words. I want QUOTES of him stating that he does not want staff with guns working for him. If you can’t find it, then please stop trying to make an issue where there isn’t much of one.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
How is LIMITING gun purchases to once a month the same as not wanting anyone to have guns?[/quote]
Why does there need to be a limit? If the constitution does not put a limit on the number of guns, or the frequency of purchasing guns - why should Obama want to?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
How is LIMITING gun purchases to once a month the same as not wanting anyone to have guns?
Why does there need to be a limit? If the constitution does not put a limit on the number of guns, or the frequency of purchasing guns - why should Obama want to?
[/quote]
Columbine was an unfortunate accident. Let’s stop pretending as if we don’t have to worry about those types any longer. I am not against guns at all but can easily see why some people would want limits on purchases.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
How is LIMITING gun purchases to once a month the same as not wanting anyone to have guns?
Why does there need to be a limit? If the constitution does not put a limit on the number of guns, or the frequency of purchasing guns - why should Obama want to?
Columbine was an unfortunate accident. Let’s stop pretending as if we don’t have to worry about those types any longer. I am not against guns at all but can easily see why some people would want limits on purchases. [/quote]
This would have prevented them from getting guns in the months of preparation?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
How is LIMITING gun purchases to once a month the same as not wanting anyone to have guns?
Why does there need to be a limit? If the constitution does not put a limit on the number of guns, or the frequency of purchasing guns - why should Obama want to?
Columbine was an unfortunate accident. Let’s stop pretending as if we don’t have to worry about those types any longer. I am not against guns at all but can easily see why some people would want limits on purchases.
This would have prevented them from getting guns in the months of preparation?[/quote]
I don’t know or really care what would have prevented that at this point. I am making an example of them to show that everyone who wants a gun doesn’t exactly mean to simply protect themselves with it. I have no problem with gun regulation because of it.
There are more groups in this country than “gang members” and “innocent people who use guns wisely”. You also have that segment that is simply fucking crazy and may not show it openly until the deed is being committed.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
How is LIMITING gun purchases to once a month the same as not wanting anyone to have guns?
Why does there need to be a limit? If the constitution does not put a limit on the number of guns, or the frequency of purchasing guns - why should Obama want to?
Columbine was an unfortunate accident. Let’s stop pretending as if we don’t have to worry about those types any longer. I am not against guns at all but can easily see why some people would want limits on purchases.
This would have prevented them from getting guns in the months of preparation?[/quote]
I don’t know or really care what would have prevented that at this point. I am making an example of them to show that everyone who wants a gun doesn’t exactly mean to simply protect themselves with it. I have no problem with gun regulation because of it.
There are more groups in this country than “gang members” and “innocent people who use guns wisely”. You also have that segment that is simply fucking crazy and may not show it openly until the deed is being committed.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
If President elect Obama is so concerned about his staff not owning guns…
WHERE is this stated? Please show me where he has said with his own mouth or written with his own hand that he is “concerned about his staff NOT owning guns”. None of those questions asked are strange for a politician to ask of prospective staff.
Here is an excerpt straight from the article, "Found in the questionnaire?s ?Miscellaneous? section, question 59 reads, ?Do you or any members of your immediate family own a gun? If so, provide complete ownership and registration information. Has the registration ever lapsed? Please also describe how and by whom it is used and whether it has been the cause of any personal injuries or property damage.?
Did you even read the article? Yes it is part of his “questionnaire” clearly he is concerned about the gun ownership of his staff. I seriously doubt all other candidates made gun ownership as big of an issue or an issue at all when they were elected. I could be wrong, but I bet most of the presidents throughout our history have themselves owned guns. Some have even had to use them, but I guess that’s just another problem we face it seams the president no longer has to come from a military background to lead the nation.
That’s not what I asked you. I asked you to find evidence of him not wanting his staff to have guns. All you’ve done is show questions that are asking if they own one legally.
President elect Obama has voted for SB1195 a provision in Illinois that would require guns owners to register with the state, He has endorsed an Illinois handgun ban, he supported the DC gun ban, he stated letting renewal of the ban on assault rifles pass by Bush was wrong, he wants to ban semi-auto weapons, he is for limiting gun purchases to 1 per month, and I’m sure there are others.
How is LIMITING gun purchases to once a month the same as not wanting anyone to have guns?
I am tired of exaggeration or twisting words. I want QUOTES of him stating that he does not want staff with guns working for him. If you can’t find it, then please stop trying to make an issue where there isn’t much of one.[/quote]
. I wish you would read an entire post. I said he is a politician he is never going to come straight out and say “I am against gun ownership” because that would alienate the NRA and other gun owners a pretty large group of voters in this country. That does not mean he doesn’t INTEND to regulate guns to the point where it is nearly impossible to get one legally. This is just the beginning in 10-20 years we may look back and see this is how it started and now we all have chips embedded in our hands and have mandatory curfews
Further more I want to know why it is even a question on his questionnaire. Yes he wants to know if someone on his staff used a gun to kill someone I get it. He doesn’t want to take the heat that?s fine, but answer one of my original questions. Is it okay for the secret service to use weapons then? Why can’t an advisor own a gun legally, but a secret service man can? That 2nd amendment did grant freedom to bear arms only to those using them in the line of duty.
I would question any president that doesn’t want guns. It is not an Obama problem it is an issue problem. Like I said most presidents have owned guns in the past. Obama doesn’t like them…FINE…I do so leave my rights alone and concentrate on the bigger issues like spending all my tax money on bailouts and other shit!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
How is LIMITING gun purchases to once a month the same as not wanting anyone to have guns?
Why does there need to be a limit? If the constitution does not put a limit on the number of guns, or the frequency of purchasing guns - why should Obama want to?
Columbine was an unfortunate accident. Let’s stop pretending as if we don’t have to worry about those types any longer. I am not against guns at all but can easily see why some people would want limits on purchases. [/quote]
Those kids at Columbine were twisted individuals. They were the ones that committed the crimes not the guns. The triggers did not pull themselves. That is like the good old argument that it’s the spoons fault Rosie O?Donnell is fat. When it is her own damn fault. Stop blaming a piece of equipment for all the violence in this country. People were killing themselves when all they had were bows and arrows. I mean give me a break the invention of the gun did not bring about the first murder or war or anything else for that matter it is just a tool.
Should we take away the right to buy Pepsi because the High Fructose Corn Syrup makes people Fat?