NYC Council Votes to Ban Weight Discrimination

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There is no good reason for rent to be as high as it is here.

That’s the primary complaint I have. The costs of servicing small apartments that cost 600-1000$/wk in rent don’t justify the ridiculous price hikes that are getting worse every year.

It drives people out rurally. Eventually you find most suburbs/areas in the city are either inhabited by people who lucked out and purchased property decades ago and/or people why fly in or reside in the upper echelons of society.

Otherwise people are becoming homeless despite making a normal wage (say 50K/year)… there’s actually an issue with families making normal incomes having to resort to living in homeless shelters and/or living at motels while they wait for government assisted housing… and the wait time if you get on that list is years.

Otherwise you can re-locate rurally… if you can get a job rurally. You can choose from methamphetaminetingtown, New South Wales, Ice city, queensland or shardsville, Western Australia.

Joking… but some rural issues here have really, REALLY bad problems with ice. Rural Aus can be beautiful to look at… but god is it depressing to go down to a town in the middle of nowhere and take a gander at the living conditions

Atrocious access to medical services, people with nothing to do, rampant alcoholism, drug use and crime (depending on area).

Hence people don’t want to go rural… look at Alice Springs for reference. Alice Springs is not the only rural Aussie area like that.

It’s a clusterfuck, a brimming recession. Australia’s economy is remarkably lacking in diversity. Soooo many people have invested in predominantly property/real estate

Once the property market crashes… Australia will suddenly get a whole lot poorer overnight… and it has to crash soon considering there is an abundance of supply but demand is starting to dwindle due to costs of living.

Either Australia relaxes immigration restrictions substantially to allow a lot of rich folk to fly in (not happening) or eventually only 2% of Aussies can actually afford to purchase property and maybe less than half can afford rent… then the market crashes because the value of property here is so ridiculously inflated to begin with.

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Same here.

A “victim” of nature if you are going to use that term.

One cannot raise a doctor/physicist/engineer/surgeon if the brains aren’t there, just as one cannot raise an athlete if the physical disposition isn’t there.

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“Throws chair at wall”

DAMMIT!

You tend to find a doctor tends to have a family full of doctors, lawyers, scientists and whatnot

I guess they all worked for it whereas the hundreds of thousands of people who fail med school just didn’t try hard enough

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There are several factors that drive up rent which can be corrected that cannot even be discussed in peace.

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Yup, just like there are families of cops, firemen, and tradesmen.

As said elsewhere, there’s a blank-slate-man/egalitarian notion that if we just make sure a kid eats breakfast and is nudged in the right direction, he too can can be an industrialist, a physicist, a surgeon, a mathematician, and so on.

What’s interesting is that some blank-slaters do not have this outlook on physical prowess and other characteristics. We inherit eye color, height, stature, and so on, but somehow inheritance of superior brains gets lost in the ether. “Anyone can be a doctor so long as he puts the work in.” “Anyone can be a millionaire, including you!” :grinning:

“But like, to be an athlete you need the genes bro!”

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“Flips dinner table”

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There is a general outlook harboured by the majority that I call ‘the hollywood scenario’

Everyone wants to believe that the best outcomes are achieved through ‘pulling up your bootstraps’ and trudging through the grind.

This entails a PORTION of what mediates a successful outcome… for some… I mean lots of people with money get rich through inheritance.

How’s that for a kick in the urethra? Young people won’t ever be able to afford property except for that one guy who chose the right parents and inherits 100 mil

For the most part? Life isn’t fair

People are either born with certain attributes or they aren’t. You can accentuate pre-existing traits to the best of your ability… but there’s a limit.

Life isn’t a movie. Don’t expect to have a hollywood movie outcome unless you have hollywood star attributes…

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What factors?

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Good luck with that and getting around property rights.

I’d burn my shit to the ground before I’ll let government dictate what I can and can’t charge on property I own.

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Taboo to discuss. And I believe ameliorating them would have it so that limiting what landlords charge would not even need to be considered.

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Why are these factors taboo to discuss?

I’m confused on what you mean.

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Real estate has gone up
Property taxes have gone up
HOAs have gone up
Homeowners insurance has gone up

therefore, cost of rent goes up

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Human greed has gone up :exploding_head:

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Unfortunately, this seems to be the norm not just in America, but all the western western world.
Even poor(er) European countries (like the PIGS) are suffering from a housing crisis situation, in part due to American digital nomads moving there, curiously. At least according to an article I’ve read (maybe here? i’m sure someone posted about Californians moving and jacking up house prices everywhere).

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As I understand it, that is the norm (or was) in Mediterranean countries like Italy (partly a cultural thing also, I guess).

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Yes, it is. There were Greek-American enclaves in and around my old neighborhood in Queens and I went to school and a gym with a fair share of Greeks. I also would spend a lot of time in Astoria, which is like a “little Greece”. Hardly any of them moved out until marriage, were generally not lazy. Actually most of the families were upper middle class, so space for younger people staying home for some time wasn’t an issue.

I don’t know where the meme of allowing young people to live home for some time absolutely makes them lazy-do nothings. If they are that, something else is wrong, and likely went wrong long ago.

Anyway, I don’t value financial martyrdom in 2023 (“I been on my own since I could walk.”)

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I think if parents and children get along, and neither party has a need for space and distance from the other, I see nothing wrong either, especially if it makes sense financially.

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Noting that weight discrimination was banned, not weight criticism.

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It’s a slippery slope though, is it not?

Next precedent, reduce of remove physical fitness requirements for physically intensive jobs. This has already been done to meet gender diversity quotas within certain professions like law enforcement

I’ve never seen ‘weight discrimination’ in the manner of “oh you want this desk job that you are perfectly qualified for? Tough shit, you have a BMI of 29.5 biiiitttttcccchhhh!”

Weight discrimination along the lines of “oh you want to be a firefighter up in the ranges where we see horrendous forrest fires yearly … hmmm… you are morbidly obese… can you run for miles with heavy equipment on your back? Oh… you have Pickwickian syndrome associated with your morbid obesity… I’m sorry, you ARE qualified but this job isn’t for you!”

Perhaps I’m just young, naieve and ignorant. But I don’t see the need for this to be codified into law. New York is a VERY accepting society… you can be jewish, muslim, christian, buddhist, black, white, asian, gay, straight, italian, greek, South African, fat, skinny… you name it

No matter your roots, hobbies, lifestyle etc… chances are there is a community for you in New York

It’s one thing to try and protect potentiallt disenfranchised demographics, or to try and support those who are legitimately down on their luck. It’s another thing to coddle people who are in poor health. Trying set a new ‘fat positive’ precedent in the country that has the highest rate of obesity in the world befuddles me. Shouldn’t we be trying to curb obesitt

If America keeps doing things like this (amongst a number of mounting concerns I have about the states) I’m going to slowly but surely become far more critical of the country.

As is… I still believe it is one of the better countries to live in provided you are middle class or above and/or lower middle class + with health/dental insurance.

I should be coddled DAMMIT! Where’s my coddling? Give me money! Give me free groceries and gas!!! If only there was something seriously wrong with me… like if I was a woman or a TRANS woman (JOKING PLZ DON’T BAN ME!)

Get this… obesity related deaths are on par with tobacco related deaths. Look at what a hissy fit we are throwing over cigarettes and e cigarettes whereas seemingly every second ad (at least in Aus) is for fast food or alcoholic beverages.

Politicians don’t care about your health… they care about money.

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I’m pretty sure there’s no distinction, once you reach Peak Woke.