'Nuke, nuke Israel!'

[quote]Terrace Lad wrote:
1996, UN Camp of Cana? Ring a bell? And Baruch Goldstein’ s actions certainly don’ t reflect general Israeli contempt. That is why he is buried where he is.

I would like to hear the " false accusations, misrepresentations, and repeated misstatements pieced together to assert an unsustainable thesis " in Finkelstein’ s work. Please elaborate.

Furthermore, I would like to hear the full message of the " Jewish scholars that I distort ". Other than trying to justify their crimes with false pretexts of superiority and divine rights.

If you did read all these, then carry on with Garaudy’ s book. You didn’ t seem to mention him.

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I did not read Garaudy’s book.

Here’ s Ari Shavit’ s view on Cana/ Qana. http://www.cam.org/~rsilver/faceless.htm

If you choose to take sides, it’ s your concern. As far as I’ m concerned, there is no good or bad side, just two bad sides in this game. Garaudy’ s book will provide further enlightenment in that direction.

I would like to hear the elaborations I requested.

Last but not least, good night to you. ( at least here it is )

[quote]Terrace Lad wrote:
1996, UN Camp of Cana? Ring a bell?

I would like to hear the " false accusations, misrepresentations, and repeated misstatements pieced together to assert an unsustainable thesis " in Finkelstein’ s work. Please elaborate.

Furthermore, I would like to hear the full message of the " Jewish scholars that I distort ". Other than trying to justify their crimes with false pretexts of superiority and divine rights.

If you did read all these, then carry on with Garaudy’ s book. You didn’ t seem to mention him.

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For one thing, the issue of reparations. He barely acknowledges the wrongs committed by the Swiss and German institutions. These include the burying of Jewish bank accounts and the use of slave labor, which gave rise to the recent reparations drive. The idea that survivors have been routinely swindled by Jewish institutions is a gross distortion. The main reason why survivors have so far seen nothing of the $1.25 billion Swiss settlement, reached in 1998, is that U.S. courts have yet to rule on a method of distribution.

Just take a look at the reviews of the book for further distorions. It’s been universally slammed by most main stream critics. Not because it doesn’t raise legitimate questions. But many of his assertions are so wild and unsubstantied and his tone so vitriolic that it raises questions about his agenda much less the accuracy of his protrayal. He’s equally guilty of sins of omission.

[quote]Terrace Lad wrote:
Here’ s Ari Shavit’ s view on Cana/ Qana. http://www.cam.org/~rsilver/faceless.htm

If you choose to take sides, it’ s your concern. As far as I’ m concerned, there is no good or bad side, just two bad sides in this game. Garaudy’ s book will provide further enlightenment in that direction.

I would like to hear the elaborations I requested.

Last but not least, good night to you. ( at least here it is )[/quote]

It is night in New York as well…and I can’t talk about this anymore tonight either. Things to do. But I’ll take a look at Garaudy’s book when I have the time.

But you’re mistaken if you think I’ve drawn my conclusions out of ignorance. I’ve never claimed Israel’s tactics are always justified or that it’s blameless. Just that it merts support against terrorists who continuously and systematically attack civilians (nowhere near Israeli military targets), use their own citizens as human shields to drum up international support, and openly call for genocide.

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Palestine? Lebanon? London? Nope: Fort Lauderdale, FL.

Also heard, “You need a big oven!” No antisemitism there. I’m sure they’re ignoring Surah 3:112 and the other Qur’anic antisemitic motifs.

Boy am I glad the protesters featured here are only a Tiny Minority of Extremists! [/quote]

Speaking of “extremists”… do you think God ACTUALLY wanted the Jews to return to Israel?

Are you familiar at all with sarcasm?

Israel Bombs Anti-Semitism Out Of Lebanon
The Onion, DECEMBER 18, 2006

After decades of periodic conflict with Lebanon that cost thousands of lives, Israel successfully eradicated all traces of anti-Semitism from its northern neighbor with a series of heavy bombing attacks in July.

“Israel really turned us around on the whole Jew-hating thing,” said Hezbollah leader Sheikh Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah, shortly after a U.N.-brokered ceasefire was declared on Aug. 14. “After destroying much of our infrastructure and displacing nearly 1 million civilians, we’ve come to respect Israel as a legitimate power and a beacon of democracy, and not a pack of lying, usurping, hook-nosed dogs.”

The last-ever Israel-Lebanon conflict began on July 12, when Hezbollah militants launched Katyusha missiles into Northern Israel, killed three Israeli soldiers, and kidnapped two others. Despite this initial success, Israel eventually prevailed in ridding the majority-Arab nation of a pervasive prejudice, the roots of which extend to Phoenician times.

Many in the international community were greatly surprised by the development. “We assumed this was just another regional war of attrition, a short-term, semi-effective defensive measure at best, a conflict-feeding ‘eye for an eye’ tactic at worst,” French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy said. “But we see that we were being far too cynical. It’s basically resolved now.”

Strobe Talbott, president of the Brookings Institution, a Washington-based think tank, said that there was “very strong” evidence that not only was a virulent anti-Jewish sentiment completely wiped out in Israel’s bombing campaign against Lebanon, but so was any hard-line political opposition to Israel’s existence or its annexing of the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Golan Heights following the Six-Day War in 1967, and general anger over Israel’s treatment of Palestinians.

“It’s remarkable to think that, had Hezbollah been capable of making surgical pre-emptive strikes against Israeli military installations and densely populated urban centers, Israel would most likely be renouncing Zionism and abandoning the region at this very moment,” Talbott said in August.

The bombings have had the most significant impact on Lebanon’s youth. Many who saw parents and friends killed in the attacks said they will now spend the rest of their lives supporting Israel.

“I was upset at first when a bomb destroyed my school and killed many of my schoolmates and left me without legs,” said Tyre bombing victim Sherifa Ayoub, 14, as she wheeled down her rubble-strewn street. “But as the days went on, and the bombs continued to fall, I began to realize that I had spent my whole young life arbitrarily lashing out at a people I thought I hated, when, all along, what I really hated was myself.”

Israel’s crushing victory has led Talbott and other Mideast experts to speculate that the nation may go on to bomb the anti-Semitism out of such hostile neighbors as Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen.
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/56637

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
But you’re mistaken if you think I’ve drawn my conclusions out of ignorance. I’ve never claimed Israel’s tactics are always justified or that it’s blameless. Just that it merts support against terrorists who continuously and systematically attack civilians (nowhere near Israeli military targets), use their own citizens as human shields to drum up international support, and openly call for genocide. [/quote]

You draw your conclusions COMPLETELY out of ignorance. The terrorist nation is Israel… always has been. Some of the most prominent people of the past hundred years have been SCREAMING about the dangers of fascist Zionism.

Btw, WHO uses human shields!?

Israeli high court bans military use of Palestinians as human shields
The Israeli high court yesterday ruled that the army’s long-standing practice of using Palestinian civilians as human shields in combat is illegal under international law.

Israeli General Orders Army to Stop Using Palestinians as Human Shields
The court ruling grew out of a 2002 case brought by Israeli and Palestinian human rights groups, after a Palestinian teenager was forced to knock on the door of a suspected West Bank militant. The teenager was shot dead when gunfire erupted moments later.

In August of 2002, the court issued a temporary injunction against the practice.

But a 2004 photograph of a Palestinian boy strapped to the front of an Israeli jeep under attack by Palestinian stone-throwers prompted human rights activists to complain the army was ignoring the court order.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2005/10/mil-051006-voa16.htm

Now imagine the fucking NEWS THE WORLD OVER if some Muslim country (ANY country) strapped a JEW to the hood of a military vehicle!!! But I know, Israel is “justified”

Palestinian doctors despair at rising toll of children shot dead by army snipers

Gaza Power Plant Hit by Israeli Airstrike is Insured by US Agency
WASHINGTON - The Palestinian power plant bombed by Israeli forces Tuesday is insured by a US government agency, and US officials say they expect American funds to be used to pay for the damage.

The destruction of the 140-megawatt reactor, the only one in the Gaza Strip, threatens to create a humanitarian disaster because the plant supplies electricity to two-thirds of Gaza’s 1.3 million residents and operates pumps that provide water supplies…
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0629-07.htm

One of those “military targets”

IDF commander: We fired more than a million cluster bombs in Lebanon
“What we did was insane and monstrous, we covered entire towns in cluster bombs,” the head of an IDF rocket unit in Lebanon said regarding the use of cluster bombs and phosphorous shells during the war.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/761781.html

Israeli pilots refuse to fly assassination missions
The 27 pilots sent a letter to the commander of Israel’s airforce refusing to carry out duties, which include track and kill operations, in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. One of the pilots told Israeli television that the letter said: "We, veteran pilots and active pilots alike…are opposed to carrying out illegal and immoral attacks, of the type carried out by Israel in the territories.

Bishops equate Israel’s actions to Holocaust
Hours after historic visit to Jerusalem holocaust museum, group of German bishops tour Palestinian Authority, say Israel behaving like Nazis

How’s THAT for an endorsement? Poor Israel…

STUPIDITY and IGNORANCE is Zionism’s ONLY support.

[quote]Chushin wrote:
Terrace Lad wrote:

But hey, what else can I expect from a typical American?

Do tell. Please elaborate.[/quote]

My bad for the last rhetorical question, it was too brash.

Here go the Misunderstanders of Islam again:

[quote]jsbrook wrote:

Entirely irrelevant to the issue of ethnic cleansing. Besides which, wherever the Jews may have campaigned for their state to be founded back in the 1940s, Israel is where it is because of the British Mandate of Palestine and UN backing. And the UN’s ultimate partition into of Palestine in 1947. They ultimately took what was given to them.

Even if it had not gone to Israel, there were other international efforts to keep that land in the hands of others. The Vatican, the Italian, and the French governments all continued to press their own legal claims on the land on the basis of the former Protectorate of the Holy See and the French Protectorate of Jerusalem[/quote]

But it was a bad idea to put Israel where it is. Or does the UN not make mistakes? They could given the Jews a part of Alaska for example, and they would not be in a controversial religious place and surrounded by enemies. If the UN had sent them some place less contentious, we wouldn’t have all of these problems that we have today.

[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
jsbrook wrote:

Entirely irrelevant to the issue of ethnic cleansing. Besides which, wherever the Jews may have campaigned for their state to be founded back in the 1940s, Israel is where it is because of the British Mandate of Palestine and UN backing. And the UN’s ultimate partition into of Palestine in 1947. They ultimately took what was given to them.

Even if it had not gone to Israel, there were other international efforts to keep that land in the hands of others. The Vatican, the Italian, and the French governments all continued to press their own legal claims on the land on the basis of the former Protectorate of the Holy See and the French Protectorate of Jerusalem

But it was a bad idea to put Israel where it is. Or does the UN not make mistakes? They could given the Jews a part of Alaska for example, and they would not be in a controversial religious place and surrounded by enemies. If the UN had sent them some place less contentious, we wouldn’t have all of these problems that we have today.
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I am not claiming it was the best decision. But what’s done is done. And I think Israel has a right to exist and retain most of its land. Isreal and any other country would’ve taken what was given. And Israel has been willing to make numerous concessions. The Camp david accords represented a good compromise under which Israel was willing to give up a huge amount of the disputed land. The Palestinians sould’ve accepted.

I’m not sure about the Alaska thing either. Doesn’t seem viable to me. Putting aside ancient claims to land in that area, Alaska has been an official U.S. organized territory since 1912. Not sure establising a sovereign nation there was really a good possibility.

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
Funny I never hear you make a big deal when numerous people in this forum make comments about nuking various Arab nations.

Only matters if it’s Israel, right?

lol.

Who on these forums is calling for the nuking of various Arab nations? Besides a few chuckleheads who can’t be taken seriously. [/quote]

The OP to this very thread called for the nuking of Pakistan “if we have brains.” Although he later claimed that he didn’t really mean it like that.

You might also take note of how others on this site, while not themselves calling for ‘nukular’ bombings or mass killings, so strongly defend those that do.

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

I consider it pretty much inevitable that the Muslims will use WMD on some non-Muslim nation. The impetus of Iran’s entire nuclear program is to use the weapons against Israel, which is a country only the size of Rhode Island. I can totally picture the Taliban taking Pakistan and using the nukes there against the Hindus or giving them to Al Qaeda to use against us or Israel. Then there’s the demographic issue in Europe. France is a nuclear power, what will happen when the perpetual intifada there finally causes the French government to collapse in 10-20 years? What about the UK?

I think you may be overacting a little bit…As bad as many of the Arab nations are, the Muslims aren’t all some ubiquitous evil. Unfortunately, there are enough extremist elements that it is cause for serious concern.[/quote]

QFT. Good luck trying to show others this.

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

I consider it pretty much inevitable that the Muslims will use WMD on some non-Muslim nation. The impetus of Iran’s entire nuclear program is to use the weapons against Israel, which is a country only the size of Rhode Island. I can totally picture the Taliban taking Pakistan and using the nukes there against the Hindus or giving them to Al Qaeda to use against us or Israel. Then there’s the demographic issue in Europe. France is a nuclear power, what will happen when the perpetual intifada there finally causes the French government to collapse in 10-20 years? What about the UK?

I think you may be overacting a little bit…As bad as many of the Arab nations are, the Muslims aren’t all some ubiquitous evil. Unfortunately, there are enough extremist elements that it is cause for serious concern.

QFT. Good luck trying to show others this. [/quote]

Oh, extremist, fundamentalist Muslisms are still one the biggest scourges and most real threats to the world at large. I’m just unconvinced there will be an extremist revolution in Europe.

More from the moderates, this time in Los Angeles. The video gets real interesting around 4:30:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024341.php

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
Funny I never hear you make a big deal when numerous people in this forum make comments about nuking various Arab nations.

Only matters if it’s Israel, right?

lol.

Who on these forums is calling for the nuking of various Arab nations? Besides a few chuckleheads who can’t be taken seriously.

The OP to this very thread called for the nuking of Pakistan “if we have brains.” Although he later claimed that he didn’t really mean it like that.

You might also take note of how others on this site, while not themselves calling for ‘nukular’ bombings or mass killings, so strongly defend those that do. [/quote]

“Waaaaaah!”

http://fun.mivzakon.co.il/flash/video/2673/2673.html

[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
archiewhittaker wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Palestine? Lebanon? London? Nope: Fort Lauderdale, FL.

Also heard, “You need a big oven!” No antisemitism there. I’m sure they’re ignoring Surah 3:112 and the other Qur’anic antisemitic motifs.

Boy am I glad the protesters featured here are only a Tiny Minority of Extremists!

Let them say what they want. Freedom of speech right?
This makes me happy that their monkey asses are dying in Gaza.

I think you’re under the illusion that this conflict will confine itself to Palestine:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024168.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024167.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024163.php

Here they are attacking the Jews in Belgium:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024162.php

Excellent unbiased sources.

What, you’re incapable of following the links and watching the various videos and reading the links at the site? You can’t look at photographs? The photographs and videos are ‘biased’?

LOL.
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Sorry I’m late to this show, I have taken a break fro this part of the forum (can only handle in small doses). PRCal, I believe I said the exact same thing to you in a thread not too long ago when you wouldn’t watch terrorstorm, a documentary by alex jones. I even provided you links directly to the movie on youtube. You said it was bullcrap sources or whatever, but here you say, oh just watch and you can see for yourself. I’m going to dig up that thread and finally nail your hypocritical ass once and for all. P.S. you are a peice of shit.

V

[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
jsbrook wrote:

Entirely irrelevant to the issue of ethnic cleansing. Besides which, wherever the Jews may have campaigned for their state to be founded back in the 1940s, Israel is where it is because of the British Mandate of Palestine and UN backing. And the UN’s ultimate partition into of Palestine in 1947. They ultimately took what was given to them.

Even if it had not gone to Israel, there were other international efforts to keep that land in the hands of others. The Vatican, the Italian, and the French governments all continued to press their own legal claims on the land on the basis of the former Protectorate of the Holy See and the French Protectorate of Jerusalem

But it was a bad idea to put Israel where it is. Or does the UN not make mistakes? They could given the Jews a part of Alaska for example, and they would not be in a controversial religious place and surrounded by enemies. If the UN had sent them some place less contentious, we wouldn’t have all of these problems that we have today.
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You guys should study up on the history because you are making some seriously incorrect assumptions. The UN had nothing to do with Israel being where it is. The same goes for the British who fought to keep Jews out of Palestine even when the Holocaust was going on.

At the end of the world war two a lot of the Jews who had been rounded up and put in camps by the Nazis had nowhere to go. The term that was used for them was “displaced persons”. There was a group that tried to return to their home village in Poland and the Poles slaughtered several hundred of them. All the allies could think to do was force the Jews back into the concentration camps because there was nowhere else they could go.

Finally the Jews took it upon themselves to do something about it since no one else would help them. There was a unit in the British army that was made up of Palestinian Jews who started organizing trucks to transport people to ports on the Mediterranean, where they would get on boats to try and get through the British blockade.

Here are some informational videos for you.

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

I consider it pretty much inevitable that the Muslims will use WMD on some non-Muslim nation. The impetus of Iran’s entire nuclear program is to use the weapons against Israel, which is a country only the size of Rhode Island. I can totally picture the Taliban taking Pakistan and using the nukes there against the Hindus or giving them to Al Qaeda to use against us or Israel. Then there’s the demographic issue in Europe. France is a nuclear power, what will happen when the perpetual intifada there finally causes the French government to collapse in 10-20 years? What about the UK?

I think you may be overacting a little bit…As bad as many of the Arab nations are, the Muslims aren’t all some ubiquitous evil. Unfortunately, there are enough extremist elements that it is cause for serious concern.

QFT. Good luck trying to show others this.

Oh, extremist, fundamentalist Muslisms are still one the biggest scourges and most real threats to the world at large. I’m just unconvinced there will be an extremist revolution in Europe.[/quote]

You obviously haven’t taken the time to study what is happening over in Europe. There has been massive immigration of Muslims into Europe.

The Muslims have a much higher birth rate. The most popular name for newborn boys in Britain is Mohammad.

The EU has plans to bring 50 million people out of Africa into Europe. There is a concerted effort amongst the governments to bring a massive demographic change to Europe.

Another thing that Europe is pushing for is that in order for Turkey to join the EU they must first dismantle constitutional safeguards that were put in place to keep the country secular.

Also the leftists are pushing to bring the entire middle east and Mahgreb into the EU.

Europe is very much in danger of a take over.