Not Paying Income Tax

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[quote]Grneyes wrote:

[quote]grrrsauce wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

Do you not benefit from the safety and security our military provides? THAT SHIT AIN’T FREE. If you don’t pay taxes, then why should I have to pay for YOU? By your logic, you should just GTFO.

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I served in the military for 6 years and got paid nowhere near enough to do the same job private security was doing for like 5-6 times the pay (with better equipment no less). Tell all the people on welfare to GTFO then, because you won’t be paying for me, you are paying for the ones that don’t even have a job.[/quote]

This I agree with. Public servants, especially those in Congress get overpaid and paid when they do shit work or no work at all. The people who are out fighting for their right to do this get paid shit. When I saw what people were posting about their military pay being cut in half and how it was less than $300, I was like WTF? How can you survive, especially if you have a family, on $600 twice a month? I know your medical needs are taken care of, but there are groceries and clothing and school supplies and transportation needs. WTF? $600 would get you maybe a decent STUDIO in Chicago. Military personnel need to be paid a lot more than they are. [/quote]

This is gonna sound messed up but why would people seen as expendable get paid more/decently? Bankers get paid millions cuz their buddies know they are not gonna die anytime soon.

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[quote]grrrsauce wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

Do you not benefit from the safety and security our military provides? THAT SHIT AIN’T FREE. If you don’t pay taxes, then why should I have to pay for YOU? By your logic, you should just GTFO.

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I served in the military for 6 years and got paid nowhere near enough to do the same job private security was doing for like 5-6 times the pay (with better equipment no less). Tell all the people on welfare to GTFO then, because you won’t be paying for me, you are paying for the ones that don’t even have a job.[/quote]

You knowingly entered into a contract with the US military. You KNEW what the pay would be (and how shitty the equipment would be). If you had the skillz, why didn’t you go into the private sector? I don’t know what requirements they have to enter into a para-military outfit, but I would imagine some kind of prior SpecOps experience would warrant a higher salary than someone with no experience, but I don’t have any direct knowledge of that, so I’m not going to make any further assumptions. Suffice it to say, if you COULD have, you WOULD have, but you COULDN’T so you DIDN’T… amiright?

I would LUV to tell all the people on wellfare to GTFO!

And thank you for serving our country.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
You know, you could eliminate the income tax by scaling back the size of the federal government to the year 2000. IIRC you still had roads, air travel, defenses and all that back then.

Besides, air travel and roads belong with the private sector. A traffic jam is what happens when socialism can’t build roads fast enough to keep up with capitalism making cars.[/quote]

Either a troll job or one of the most ignorant posts I’ve ever seen.

You have any idea how much it would cost to fly anywhere if people were responsible for paying the salaries of air traffic controllers and the airspace infrastructure if it wasn’t gov’t funded? You don’t think people should be allowed to cross the ocean unless they are millionaires?[/quote]

Yes, actually I do.

Not that only millionaires should be able to fly, but that the true cost of flying should be shouldered by those that fly.

In related news, trucks wear down the roads orders of magnitudes faster than private cars and should pay that too.

Amtrak, same story.

Because, you know, if someone enjoys the benefits, he should pay for the privilege.

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If you asked it to be paid by only the people that CURRENTLY fly, ridership would decrease exponentially. The airspace system is obscenely complex and requires a lot of money to prop up.

A single passenger jet costs over $4,000 per hour it’s in the air. There are well over 30,000 commercial flights a day (50,000-60,000 total flights per day). Certified Air Traffic Controllers make well over $100k (closer to 150) and there are many thousands of them. Not to mention Airline’s Operations Centers that are responsible for flight planning. And the governance required to make sure all planes are inspected every 3-6 days for routine checks and various other time periods for more comprehensive maintenance.

I am sure ground travel is equally complex and military is far more so.

Edit: Completely forgot about the insane number of technicians and engineers employed to keep all the hardware/software running smoothly at every location

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]byukid wrote:
Okay Beans, this is probably retarded,[/quote]

No it is not at all.

Would they? Who knows…

Could they? Absolutely.

The thing to really think about is your future. The IRS can go back longer than you can, and it is fraud. Are you a big potato like Al? No, but they can and will seize your accounts, years later when your trying to pay a mortgage and feed your daughter. This shit adds up fast. Next thing you know you’ll be 30 and owe 40k. Just ask my buddy, kid is fucked.

THIS IS NOT TAX ADVICE.

Also, with your last 3 years returns showing no income, you better have a killer job when you apply for your mortgage.

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Okay, so say your fiance is working under the table and you don’t report HER income. Less sketchy?

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[quote]byukid wrote:
Okay, so say your fiance is working under the table and you don’t report HER income. Less sketchy?[/quote]

LOL!

Not reporting income is not reporting income, doesn’t matter if you have boobs or not.

You are going to file separate until you get married, once you “say I do” then you file jointly.

You run into the same type problems with declaring low amounts of income and looking to get a loan for a home, car, etc etc etc…

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Own multiple businesses and declare “losses” each year. I have a friend who is a very successful Realtor who makes ~$3000 on paper every year. Find an accountant who understands how to navigate the “grey area” of tax law (but expect to pay him ALMOST as much as you would have in taxes).

Bottom line, if you are a W-2 employee, forget about it. If you are a business owner you have some wiggle room. But don’t complain for getting your ass handed to you if/when you get audited.

Question: why do you think that you “shouldn’t” have to pay taxes? Do you not enjoy the economic benefits of living in the United States? Do you not benefit from the safety and security our military provides? THAT SHIT AIN’T FREE. If you don’t pay taxes, then why should I have to pay for YOU? By your logic, you should just GTFO.

While I agree that our tax system is bullshit and IMHO needs to be overhauled, I still recognize the need for everyone to be taxed. Roads and bridges don’t repair themselves. Armies don’t just assemble and protect us for free. Why WOULDN’T you want to pay your share? We live in a REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY. That means that YOU elected the mutherfucker that is spending your tax money un-wisely. If you have that much of a problem with it. Become a political activist and get the message out to not elect a certain congressman again. That would have a far greater impact than just refusing to pay taxes. That will ultimately just land you in jail.[/quote]

Im glad people like you exist. QFT

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â??“Whatever you wish me to do, I will do it at the point of a gun. If you sentence me to jail, you will have to send armed men to carry me thereâ??I will not volunteer to move. If you fine me, you will have to seize my property to collect the fineâ??I will not volunteer to pay it. If you believe that you have the right to force meâ??use your guns openly. I will not help you to disguise the nature of your action.”

Atlas Shrugged

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[quote]grrrsauce wrote:
I have heard that if I write the IRS and ask what law states that I have to pay taxes they will just ignore it. So I asked, and they never got back to me. I am trying to get literature from the save a patriot foundation but due to litigation they can’t disperse any information that is relevant. Any tax lawyers out there that can help me figure out if I have to actually pay taxes?

I have tried to read about the USA v. Kuglin using Black’s law dictionary to help, but legal jargon is not my thing.

The reason I ask is because since I read the Grace Commission Report I have decided I don’t want my hard earned money going to private lenders to pay off a debt because the government hasn’t had fiscal responsibility since everything got turned over to International Monetary Fund and the Federal Reserve in the early 1900’s.

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I think you should do a federal prisoner look-up (Can be done on the internet) and search for Wesley Snipes and get his present address. Write to Wesley - he’s got some great advice about not paying taxes.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:
To anybody arguing the point ask Mr. Snipes do you think he could afford some legal advice?[/quote]

Damn. I’m defeated. You got there first!

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
You know, you could eliminate the income tax by scaling back the size of the federal government to the year 2000. IIRC you still had roads, air travel, defenses and all that back then.

Besides, air travel and roads belong with the private sector. A traffic jam is what happens when socialism can’t build roads fast enough to keep up with capitalism making cars.[/quote]

Either a troll job or one of the most ignorant posts I’ve ever seen.

You have any idea how much it would cost to fly anywhere if people were responsible for paying the salaries of air traffic controllers and the airspace infrastructure if it wasn’t gov’t funded? You don’t think people should be allowed to cross the ocean unless they are millionaires?[/quote]

Yes, actually I do.

Not that only millionaires should be able to fly, but that the true cost of flying should be shouldered by those that fly.

In related news, trucks wear down the roads orders of magnitudes faster than private cars and should pay that too.

Amtrak, same story.

Because, you know, if someone enjoys the benefits, he should pay for the privilege.

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Agree with you in spirit but road travel and airline flight are for the public good. Are you telling me we’re better off when the average person wouldn’t be able to fly? I agree there should be some additional tax for trucks that goes directly to road repair.

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[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
Orly? What about the examples throughout history to the contrary caveman? For example, Iceland had no taxes for hundreds of years in a period where they churned out the best literature of the time.[/quote]

Orly? so they didnt get raided at all because of poems, and not because they had a lord/thegn to protect them. and iceland is a small rock in the artic sea, not a seat of civilisation
Name a large civilised population in any point in history who didnt pay ‘taxes’ to a form of government - tithes, skilled/military service, labour

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[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
You know, you could eliminate the income tax by scaling back the size of the federal government to the year 2000. IIRC you still had roads, air travel, defenses and all that back then.

Besides, air travel and roads belong with the private sector. A traffic jam is what happens when socialism can’t build roads fast enough to keep up with capitalism making cars.[/quote]

Either a troll job or one of the most ignorant posts I’ve ever seen.

You have any idea how much it would cost to fly anywhere if people were responsible for paying the salaries of air traffic controllers and the airspace infrastructure if it wasn’t gov’t funded? You don’t think people should be allowed to cross the ocean unless they are millionaires?[/quote]

Who the fuck do you think funds government…?

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[quote]caveman101 wrote:

[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
Orly? What about the examples throughout history to the contrary caveman? For example, Iceland had no taxes for hundreds of years in a period where they churned out the best literature of the time.[/quote]

Orly? so they didnt get raided at all because of poems, and not because they had a lord/thegn to protect them. and iceland is a small rock in the artic sea, not a seat of civilisation
Name a large civilised population in any point in history who didnt pay ‘taxes’ to a form of government - tithes, skilled/military service, labour [/quote]

Violent crime in that period was lower than it is in America today. Even in the Sturlungaöld, a time considered extremely violent, it was about even with what America has now.

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[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
You know, you could eliminate the income tax by scaling back the size of the federal government to the year 2000. IIRC you still had roads, air travel, defenses and all that back then.

Besides, air travel and roads belong with the private sector. A traffic jam is what happens when socialism can’t build roads fast enough to keep up with capitalism making cars.[/quote]

Either a troll job or one of the most ignorant posts I’ve ever seen.

You have any idea how much it would cost to fly anywhere if people were responsible for paying the salaries of air traffic controllers and the airspace infrastructure if it wasn’t gov’t funded? You don’t think people should be allowed to cross the ocean unless they are millionaires?[/quote]

Who the fuck do you think funds government…?
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My point is air travel doesn’t happen for anyone but millionaires if it’s privatized, and oh by the way that gets rid of an awful lot of jobs

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[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:

[quote]caveman101 wrote:

[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
Orly? What about the examples throughout history to the contrary caveman? For example, Iceland had no taxes for hundreds of years in a period where they churned out the best literature of the time.[/quote]

Orly? so they didnt get raided at all because of poems, and not because they had a lord/thegn to protect them. and iceland is a small rock in the artic sea, not a seat of civilisation
Name a large civilised population in any point in history who didnt pay ‘taxes’ to a form of government - tithes, skilled/military service, labour [/quote]

Violent crime in that period was lower than it is in America today. Even in the Sturlunga�¶ld, a time considered extremely violent, it was about even with what America has now. [/quote]

And how many people are we talking about in the Sturlunga…? I don’t see how your Icelandic example is relevant to a discussion on the U.S. in 2011. There were periods in North American history where there were no taxes, but they are completely irrelevant to today as well. The point is, you can’t compare tribal eras to modern civilizations when it comes to taxation and national welfare. It’s as relevant as comparing homerun totals in the deadball era to those of the steroid era. Or, in Viking terms, it’s like comparing the diesel fuel usage of a Viking warship with that of the Emma Maersk.

DB

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[quote]Stan Darsh wrote:

This is gonna sound messed up but why would people seen as expendable get paid more/decently? Bankers get paid millions cuz their buddies know they are not gonna die anytime soon.[/quote]

Newsflash: most bankers do NOT get paid millions, contrary to public opinion.

Btw, I do agree that the military is underpaid, on average.

DB

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
To anybody arguing the point ask Mr. Snipes do you think he could afford some legal advice?[/quote]

Damn. I’m defeated. You got there first![/quote]

Hahahahahahaha sometimes youth has its advantages. :slight_smile:

I remember having these discussions with older guys I worked with when I was in my 20’s. Reading this is like reliving my youth.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

LOL!

Not reporting income is not reporting income, doesn’t matter if you have boobs or not.

You are going to file separate until you get married, once you “say I do” then you file jointly.

You run into the same type problems with declaring low amounts of income and looking to get a loan for a home, car, etc etc etc…

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You have basically posted everything I would have.

First off, at some point in time you will have to provide verification of income and if you’re understating and someone get’s paid ‘under the table’ this could be problematic. In particular if you don’t have a return to even produce.

Additionally, take it from a guy who had to revise a 2 year old return by $33K due to a fee missed that was basically my fault.

YOU DO NOT want to be in the IRS crosshairs. They are relentless and this little episode I described cost me a couple grand in penalties plus back tax, plus literally getting countless certified letters (it became almost comical and my postman would say, "you got another letter from your uncle).

Not to mention, when I approached them about installments they told me not until they had received my 2010 return which forced me to file that earlier than I would have liked.

From my perspective there is no upside to not paying taxes and a good tax attorney/accountant can help you plan for upcoming years and maximize deductions, etc. in ways that will sometimes literally amaze you.

The reality of things is if I had to guess, OP, you would probably be around 10% actual any way by the time earnings, etc. were taken into effect. You sound young and I doubt if you have even earned enough for it to be that big of an issue.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]scj119 wrote:

[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
You know, you could eliminate the income tax by scaling back the size of the federal government to the year 2000. IIRC you still had roads, air travel, defenses and all that back then.

Besides, air travel and roads belong with the private sector. A traffic jam is what happens when socialism can’t build roads fast enough to keep up with capitalism making cars.[/quote]

Either a troll job or one of the most ignorant posts I’ve ever seen.

You have any idea how much it would cost to fly anywhere if people were responsible for paying the salaries of air traffic controllers and the airspace infrastructure if it wasn’t gov’t funded? You don’t think people should be allowed to cross the ocean unless they are millionaires?[/quote]

Yes, actually I do.

Not that only millionaires should be able to fly, but that the true cost of flying should be shouldered by those that fly.

In related news, trucks wear down the roads orders of magnitudes faster than private cars and should pay that too.

Amtrak, same story.

Because, you know, if someone enjoys the benefits, he should pay for the privilege.

[/quote]

Agree with you in spirit but road travel and airline flight are for the public good. Are you telling me we’re better off when the average person wouldn’t be able to fly? I agree there should be some additional tax for trucks that goes directly to road repair. [/quote]

If it was indeed true that the average person could not fly were it not sub subsidized we would indeed be better off because then we would be wasting money flying.

Given the off chance that people would get to keep the money that is used to subsidize flying.

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So, you can’t just boycott paying your taxes and then call that fat dude from Tax Masters to save the day when the IRS comes knocking?