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[quote]100meters wrote:

the tiny amount of pork spending previously wouldn’t have done anything to prevent this. Regulating the investment banks leveraging themselves 44 to 1 on real estate derivatives bought at their peak, now that would have prevented something. Oh, well. Lesson learned. Again.[/quote]

But gigantic pork spending, as opposed to the regretfully too small pork spending (I guess), is our only salvation!

Regulating? How about not implying they would be bailed out in the first place if the great “home ownership society” got out of hand?

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100meters continues to be the most underwhelming poster on this forum.

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Interesting article in the NYT comparing the lessons learned from the decade long japanese contraction to current US train wreck.

[i]The Japanese first tried many of the same remedies that the Bush administration tried and the Obama administration is trying ultra-low interest rates, fiscal stimulus and ineffective cash infusions, among other things. The Japanese even tried to tap private capital to buy some of the bad assets from banks, as Mr. Geithner proposed.

One reason Japan’s leaders were so ineffectual for so long was their fear of stoking public outrage. With each act of the bailout, anger grew, making politicians more reluctant to force real reform, which only delayed the day of reckoning and increased the ultimate price tag. Japanese taxpayers are estimated to have recouped less than half what it cost the government to bail out the banks.

A further lesson from Japan is that the bank rescue will determine the fate of the wider economy. While President Obama has prioritized his stimulus plan, no stimulus is likely to succeed unless the banking sector is repaired.[/i]

The part of the article that I really don’t like comes at the very beginning: “The Obama administration is committing huge sums of money to rescuing banks, but the veterans of Japan?s banking crisis have three words for the Americans: more money, faster.”

I don’t think we have the money to spend, and eventually the Chinese won’t have the money to finance us either.

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I don’t remember is anyone has posted a link to the bill. Here its is

H.R.1: American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (Public Print)

http://www.rules.house.gov/111/LegText/111_hr1_text.pdf

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[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
100meters continues to be the most underwhelming poster on this forum.[/quote]

Yea, correcting bullshit not all that exciting I guess.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
Sloth wrote:
100meters wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
I love T-Nation’s PWI. The hysteria is absolutely brilliant.

Yeah! These folks are acting like an extremely large sum of taxdollars and borrowed money was just spent without much debate on how, what, and where it should be spent. I mean, obviously our reps had ample opportunity to read the majority of this, pondering each item, and the bill in total.

Uh, the bill wasn’t wrote in its entirety yesterday.

Great. Then you should object to congressmen only having recieved a final bill to review at 12:30 the preceding night. Some of us aren’t going to rubber stamp billions of pork barrel spending just because your big government buddies called it a stimulus package. Hold it for review. Oh, I forget we’ll all die of starvation unless we jump without looking. Brilliant!

The important part is the bill passed right? It doesn’t matter if republicans didn’t read the bill (they sure jumped without looking), they don’t need to. Their strategy as dictated by Rush, hope for failure.
That might be fine for the party of head in sanders,steely D, etc., but of course some of us (most of us) still care about the fate of the country, and shedding 500k jobs a month just can’t continue (that whole dying of starvation thing).

(you’re aware of the current economic crisis right? can never remember if you pretend to be ignorant, or are genuinely ignorant.)[/quote]

You are so comprehensively lost it is almost not possible to become any loster.

The country? WTF does that mean to you? A chunk of land where you happened to be born? The country, the US of A was founded on principles of private self government and enterprise with only the broadest role for civil power in those very few arenas where civil power is an unavoidable necessary evil. That, THAT, THAT, (knocks on the guys forehead) is what allowed this nation to be the most prosperous, powerful and progressive in the history of this miserable planet. The unleashed God given potential of individual citizens unencumbered by the asphyxiating influence of centralized government.

This bullshit is exactly what we fought the cold war to defeat. It’s over folks. Sadly, enough of the voting public shares this guys perverted and distorted view of what “the country” is to guarantee we never recover.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
100meters wrote:
… and shedding 500k jobs a month just can’t continue (that whole dying of starvation thing).

Please, oh please show me where that number comes from. I implore you.[/quote]

You guys really are clueless. We’re in an economic free fall, hence the stimulus!

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
100meters wrote:
Sloth wrote:
100meters wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
I love T-Nation’s PWI. The hysteria is absolutely brilliant.

Yeah! These folks are acting like an extremely large sum of taxdollars and borrowed money was just spent without much debate on how, what, and where it should be spent. I mean, obviously our reps had ample opportunity to read the majority of this, pondering each item, and the bill in total.

Uh, the bill wasn’t wrote in its entirety yesterday.

Great. Then you should object to congressmen only having recieved a final bill to review at 12:30 the preceding night. Some of us aren’t going to rubber stamp billions of pork barrel spending just because your big government buddies called it a stimulus package. Hold it for review. Oh, I forget we’ll all die of starvation unless we jump without looking. Brilliant!

The important part is the bill passed right? It doesn’t matter if republicans didn’t read the bill (they sure jumped without looking), they don’t need to. Their strategy as dictated by Rush, hope for failure.
That might be fine for the party of head in sanders,steely D, etc., but of course some of us (most of us) still care about the fate of the country, and shedding 500k jobs a month just can’t continue (that whole dying of starvation thing).

(you’re aware of the current economic crisis right? can never remember if you pretend to be ignorant, or are genuinely ignorant.)

You are so comprehensively lost it is almost not possible to become any loster.

The country? WTF does that mean to you? A chunk of land where you happened to be born? The country, the US of A was founded on principles of private self government and enterprise with only the broadest role for civil power in those very few arenas where civil power is an unavoidable necessary evil. That, THAT, THAT, (knocks on the guys forehead) is what allowed this nation to be the most prosperous, powerful and progressive in the history of this miserable planet. The unleashed God given potential of individual citizens unencumbered by the asphyxiating influence of centralized government.

This bullshit is exactly what we fought the cold war to defeat. It’s over folks. Sadly, enough of the voting public shares this guys perverted and distorted view of what “the country” is to guarantee we never recover.[/quote]

Thankfully, yes, deranged wingnuts like yourself remain the fringe.

What the rest of your post has to do with fixing the republican created mess is beyond me.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
<<< Thankfully, yes, deranged wingnuts like yourself remain the fringe.

What the rest of your post has to do with fixing the republican created mess is beyond me.
[/quote]

Deranged wingnuts who believed what I believe, some of them from your state, set this country in motion pal, in direct opposition to moral and social weaklings like you.

This is a liberal mess with much participation by the Republicans. My commitment is to principle not party. Yes, there was much debate in the early days of this nation, but no signer of the declaration of independence could overcome the urge to fall to their knees and weep bitterly at what people like you have done with what they left us. Their tears would flow over this abomination of a 1000 page attack on everything they fought for.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
100meters wrote:
<<< Thankfully, yes, deranged wingnuts like yourself remain the fringe.

What the rest of your post has to do with fixing the republican created mess is beyond me.

Deranged wingnuts who believed what I believe, some of them from your state, set this country in motion pal, in direct opposition to moral and social weaklings like you.

This is a liberal mess with much participation by the Republicans. My commitment is to principle not party. Yes, there was much debate in the early days of this nation, but no signer of the declaration of independence could overcome the urge to fall to their knees and weep bitterly at what people like you have done with what they left us. Their tears would flow over this abomination of a 1000 page attack on everything they fought for. [/quote]

No, deranged conservative wingnuts like you supported the King you idiot. And how in the hell this is a liberal mess, when we’re fixing the results of excessive deregulation supported universally by economic idiots like you and your party, while dealing with the financial constraints put on us by 8 years of crazy Republican big govt. spending, borrowed tax cuts for the rich, and countless stimulus packages for Iraq.

Again reality would point you to the end result of 8 years of total republican control. The philosophy has again been proven an utter failure. Your post has proven you, a total moron.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
100meters wrote:
<<< Thankfully, yes, deranged wingnuts like yourself remain the fringe.

What the rest of your post has to do with fixing the republican created mess is beyond me.

Deranged wingnuts who believed what I believe, some of them from your state, set this country in motion pal, in direct opposition to moral and social weaklings like you.

This is a liberal mess with much participation by the Republicans. My commitment is to principle not party. Yes, there was much debate in the early days of this nation, but no signer of the declaration of independence could overcome the urge to fall to their knees and weep bitterly at what people like you have done with what they left us. Their tears would flow over this abomination of a 1000 page attack on everything they fought for.

No, deranged conservative wingnuts like you supported the King you idiot. And how in the hell this is a liberal mess, when we’re fixing the results of excessive deregulation supported universally by economic idiots like you and your party, while dealing with the financial constraints put on us by 8 years of crazy Republican big govt. spending, borrowed tax cuts for the rich, and countless stimulus packages for Iraq.

Again reality would point you to the end result of 8 years of total republican control. The philosophy has again been proven an utter failure. Your post has proven you, a total moron.[/quote]

Yes, and you fix that big spending Bush government by…spending $787 billion…so far.

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And wait until the politicians realize they can’t keep kicking Social Sec. and Medicare down the road forever. I keep saying it, but it deserves repeating. Upcoming generations of taxpayers are going to despise us.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
100meters wrote:
An abomination, but YOU haven’t read it. Weird. Almost hypocritical.

Not hypocritical at all. I reject it at face value. I only need to know one thing in the bill that I wouldn’t spend a penny on it to veto it. No money spent, no one hurt.

However, to certainly place my grandchildren in debt for reasons that I don’t know seems at best reckless, irresponsible, and immoral.

On a local political board, we have a press release that our Senators (Snowe and Collins), two of the clown Republican Senators who voted for the bill. The amount of money that they secured for the state is 0.1% of the total. My Senators sold out you and your grandchildren (and everyone else’s) for a handful of peanuts.[/quote]

So you put your head in the sand, I get it.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
<<< No, deranged conservative wingnuts like you supported the King you idiot. And how in the hell this is a liberal mess, when we’re fixing the results of excessive deregulation supported universally by economic idiots like you and your party, while dealing with the financial constraints put on us by 8 years of crazy Republican big govt. spending, borrowed tax cuts for the rich, and countless stimulus packages for Iraq.

Again reality would point you to the end result of 8 years of total republican control. The philosophy has again been proven an utter failure. Your post has proven you, a total moron.[/quote]

You’re an incurable, substanceless and still comprehensively lost label-ling. I’m talking about principles with content, not camp ID tattoos. You are right about one thing though. The philosophy has been proven an utter failure.

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[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
100meters wrote:
An abomination, but YOU haven’t read it. Weird. Almost hypocritical.

Not hypocritical at all. I reject it at face value. I only need to know one thing in the bill that I wouldn’t spend a penny on it to veto it. No money spent, no one hurt.

However, to certainly place my grandchildren in debt for reasons that I don’t know seems at best reckless, irresponsible, and immoral.

On a local political board, we have a press release that our Senators (Snowe and Collins), two of the clown Republican Senators who voted for the bill. The amount of money that they secured for the state is 0.1% of the total. My Senators sold out you and your grandchildren (and everyone else’s) for a handful of peanuts.

So you put your head in the sand, I get it.[/quote]

Say wha? Please explain.

What I find utterly moronic is the notion that if one doesn’t accept this abomination of a bill, as written, in it’s entirety that they aren’t in favor of, or looking for a solution.

Hell, even a couple Dems from Idaho were able to shave about 70% off the total and pare it down to basic infrastructure money allocations.

To think that every clause in this bill ‘creates jobs’ is idiocy at best. It’s a ramrod for social programs draped in a thin vail of ‘economic stimulation’.

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Are this stupid liberal really that stupid and naive? Tribulus this will have the opposite effect to the conservative movement, we will grow in strength and have our day soon. The power that this Dumocrats have created for the fed. gov. will be seized by the Republicans in 2010.
I cannot believe there are people like 10 meters as naive and retarded to not see the true nature of nobama.

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[quote]jre67t wrote:

Are this stupid liberal really that stupid and naive? [/quote]

Fucking priceless.

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Why thank you tme.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
100meters wrote:
An abomination, but YOU haven’t read it. Weird. Almost hypocritical.

Not hypocritical at all. I reject it at face value. I only need to know one thing in the bill that I wouldn’t spend a penny on it to veto it. No money spent, no one hurt.

However, to certainly place my grandchildren in debt for reasons that I don’t know seems at best reckless, irresponsible, and immoral.

On a local political board, we have a press release that our Senators (Snowe and Collins), two of the clown Republican Senators who voted for the bill. The amount of money that they secured for the state is 0.1% of the total. My Senators sold out you and your grandchildren (and everyone else’s) for a handful of peanuts.

So you put your head in the sand, I get it.

Say wha? Please explain.

What I find utterly moronic is the notion that if one doesn’t accept this abomination of a bill, as written, in it’s entirety that they aren’t in favor of, or looking for a solution.

Hell, even a couple Dems from Idaho were able to shave about 70% off the total and pare it down to basic infrastructure money allocations.

To think that every clause in this bill ‘creates jobs’ is idiocy at best. It’s a ramrod for social programs draped in a thin vail of ‘economic stimulation’.

[/quote]

Am I reading right? $1 Billion for the Census?

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[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
100meters wrote:
An abomination, but YOU haven’t read it. Weird. Almost hypocritical.

Not hypocritical at all. I reject it at face value. I only need to know one thing in the bill that I wouldn’t spend a penny on it to veto it. No money spent, no one hurt.

However, to certainly place my grandchildren in debt for reasons that I don’t know seems at best reckless, irresponsible, and immoral.

On a local political board, we have a press release that our Senators (Snowe and Collins), two of the clown Republican Senators who voted for the bill. The amount of money that they secured for the state is 0.1% of the total. My Senators sold out you and your grandchildren (and everyone else’s) for a handful of peanuts.

So you put your head in the sand, I get it.

Say wha? Please explain.

What I find utterly moronic is the notion that if one doesn’t accept this abomination of a bill, as written, in it’s entirety that they aren’t in favor of, or looking for a solution.

Hell, even a couple Dems from Idaho were able to shave about 70% off the total and pare it down to basic infrastructure money allocations.

To think that every clause in this bill ‘creates jobs’ is idiocy at best. It’s a ramrod for social programs draped in a thin vail of ‘economic stimulation’.

Am I reading right? $1 Billion for the Census?[/quote]

You have to gather as much information as possible on a the people of a nation before you can save them from themselves.

This is important.