Nordic Blood: Climbing And Lifting / Lifting And Climbing

I’ll start off by saying that I’ve never used liver tabs myself, but I’ve come across them multiple times in old bodybuilding books and such. They are still being sold and from time to time they pop up as they are a classic bodybuilding supplement - people try it for nostalgia’s sake and then recommend them. From what I’ve heard most people experience increased energy levels from taking them. Could be placebo, could be that their diet is shit or they could work.

Now, what are liver tabs? Liver tabs are just what it sounds like. Desiccated liver. Nowadays bodybuilders use liver supoort pills, which are not the same thing.

To my understanding, liver tabs first got popular in the 30s due to Eugene Schiff’s Bio-foods company. In the 50s Dr. Ershoff did a study where they had rats that were either on vitamin supplements or desiccated liver. They tested the rats’ swimming endurance and the group that hard liverhhad the best results. This was the point were bodybuilders begun to use liver tabs as the study “proved they work”. That study was later debunked. Anabolic steroids first got used in sports in the 50s as well, so it could be that people were taking both steroids and liver pills but only mentioned the latter when asked, but that’s just my speculation. (remember that anabolics were not that big of a deal during that time)

In the 60s Irvin Johnson begun making whey/egg-powder blends that he sold to bodybuilders, and he also made liver tabs which he sold, and he probably helped make them become a mainstream supplement. Guys in the 60s and 70s downed a whole lot of the tabs. Vince Gironda used to recommend 20-30 tabs per day for regular trainees and even 100 for bodybuilders. He believed highly in stuff like liver pills, eggs and high protein intake. It’s been rumoured that Arnold took 150 liver tabs per day.

Now that the brief history of liver tabs is over, let’s tackle the question: where did they go?

This is all just me speculating, as it would be pretty much impossible to accurately pinpoint the reason why (at least without doing count less hours of research)

First off, I’d imagine that the liver supplement study getting debunked was one big thing. That study was one of the things that really set off the trend of taking liver tabs.

Secondly, I’d imagine that as the people who really pushed the idea of supplementing with liver either died, retired or changed their opinion on the topic, less and less people even found out about the supplement, let alone tried it.

Thirdly, as drugs got better and we learned more about how anabolics work and should be used, there was less need for additional boost in training. Also, when you’re juggling multiple drugs and supplements, it’s easy to let go of or “accidentally stop” something else.

Fourth thing would be that supplement industry has grown a lot and a lot of new supplements have been introduced since the 50s-70s, so again you may stop or forget something.

In addition to this one could speculate multiple things:are gym-goers making better dietary decisions now compared to 70s and thus less benefit is experienced from liver? How much marketing is there for liver now compared to the past? What kind of stuff do the gurus and known personalities recommend at the moment? Are people in general more skeptical than before? And so on.

So, short answer, I don’t know, but I have some guesses.

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Just to completely derail the log, where in Scandinavia do you live, @Voxel? I think you mentioned you lived in Norway, but I also think I remember seeing you saying Sweden, unless I’m wrong.

Reason I ask is that I’m trying to learn to speak Swedish, and if you happen to speak Swedish I’d appreciate any tips or resources you know of to help me along!

I live in, and am from, Sweden. I’ve worked in Norway for a brief stint.

Since Swedish is my native tongue I don’t know if I have any meaningful tips but I hear the Babel app is okay for Swedish but I haven’t checked it out myself. To learn how to speak a language I suppose you have to speak it to native speakers that can corrections your intonation.

But for general exposure and understanding here’s what I’d do if I was going to pick up another language:

  1. Google the Pareto principle together with the language to get the slab of vocabulary that gives me the greatest return
  2. Get kid’s books in a language I know, together with the same book translated into the language I want to know
  3. Listen to podcasts, ideally related to a subject I know
  4. Watch TV and movies with subtitles in a language I know
  5. Write heaps and tons on message boards related to a topic I’m interested in in that language.

Right now I’m using Duolingo. It’s not bad, but it’s throws a lot of vocabulary at you without explaining the “why” behind it. So I’ve had to do a lot of Googling or inferring on my own.

I work with a guy who’s from Sweden, but left when he was around 10, so while he speaks it fluently, he doesn’t always know the grammatical reasoning behind certain things. He’s also from Skania, while I’m learning central/northern dialect, so sometimes trying to understand what he’s saying is a biiiiitch because his accent is so different, haha.

I was looking at children’s books and TV shows, and other people have mentioned that in addition to you.

What’s the reason behind your studies?

I never really liked Duolingo as a mainstay. I used it as an auxiliary to Babel to study French for a while but lost interested. It was a good compliment to Babel but ultimately it suffers the same flaw but as far as I can recall my school years so do textbooks for learning languages as well. So, while the medium is “new” the process seems fundamentally the same.

Scania is so far down south I’d expect his pronunciation to be more reminiscent of Danish in some respects. I struggle heaps and tons with strong Swedish accents.

I’m quite sure I tried babel for swedish for like three days when I decided I’d give it a try. Basically it was a learn how to say Hi in swedish simulator. For basics and some vocabulary it could work but past that, not so much.

Now I’ll have to tell you that with all of these language apps I really just try to beat them by logic and resoning. At one point I went though 75% of Duolingo’s french course and I do not speak a single word of french.

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Both sides of my family are almost entirely Swedish, but neither of my parents speak a lick of Swedish (their parents moved to Canada when it wasn’t socially acceptable to be an immigrant, so they ensured their kids were fully Canadian). I’ve always cared about my Nordic heritage, but never got around to learning Swedish. Now that my son’s born, I thought it would be fun to work on gaining fluency, in an effort to help him know a second language.

Duolingo has definitely helped (I’m able to construct basic sentences) but yeah, it’s far from perfect. My buddy from work always sends me Swedish newspaper articles and lends me his old books from when he was a kid, and that’s definitely helped me commit things to memory.

To sum up: jag vill tala svenska därför att mitt barn och min familj.

Right, sorry, forgot to reply. Admirable goal. I can probably refer you to additional news outlets, and maybe recommend some podcasts worth listening to that are in Swedish.

I can tell what you are trying to express here, but expressing the same sentiment in Swedish requires a few changes.

Translating your Swedish back into English basically yields,

I want to speak Swedish because of my kid/child/son and my family

Given the context of what else you wrote then I’d say if I were to express the sentiment in English, one way to write it, would be

I want to speak Swedish because of my kid/child/son and my family heritage

But in Swedish, you’d want to at least replace “därför att” with “pågrund av” and “familj” with “arv” (i.e., heritage)

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2019-12-11

Hybrid-split: 5-9 Mk. 0 (Let’s Get STRONK)
Week 1

Wednesday
A. Deadlift 3x3-5 @ 140
5
5
3

B. Bench 3x5-9 @ 70
9
8
10

C1. Front Squat 4x6-8
8 @ 70, maybe 6 were good
8 @ 70, maybe 4 were good
8 @ 60, about 4 were good
8 @ 70, w/ belt about all of them were “good”

By good/bad I mean my elbows came down. What should my thinking be here @danteism @isdatnutty @anyone_else_that_wants_to_chime_in, should I go for a weight wherein all the reps are pristine (that means a lot of kilos coming off of the bar) or just do as many good as possible and accept that degree of form failure?

C2. Pull-ups 4x5-9
5 @ 16
5 @ 16
7 @ 12
7 @ 12

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My 2c says ‘just do it !!’

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You’re asking the man that can do a front squat good morning.

But in all seriousness, just try to push your elbows up as far as you can and also try to bring them a bit towards each other. The reason your elbows drop could also just be that the bar was positioned poorly, so making sure that’s in check is the first thing to do.

Other than that, I don’t mind a bit of elbow drop, but the movement should look like a front squat - if you’re completely collapsing and being folded over you should drop the weight. But a slight deviation from your best technique isn’t that big of a deal. Being OVERLY obsessed on technique rarely is a good thing.

Just pick your borders man, decide what degree of deviation is fine for you and get strong within those borders.

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It was still a front squat, just not a pretty one. I’ll video it next time!

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Let’s do so. It’s hard to judge without video as one persons mistake may be neglible for another.

I’m far less knowledgeable than others here, but to my understanding and from experience you want to do the opposite; bringing your elbows up and out facilitates a stronger upper back, which is where most people begin failing on the front squat. I know for myself at least if I let my elbows sneak closer together, they start to drop, and then my upper back rounds.

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Depends on who you ask, really. Up and out could work if upper back tightness is a problem for you and thus it could help with bar positioning and performance. When I say in, it’s not like your elbows would touch or even close to that. Just a little squeeze so instead of straight forward, they come closer to each other by a bit. (an inch or so)

Up and in usually just helps to get the bar tighter into position, and (anecdotally) a lot of people flare their elbows when they fail. Depends on the person really, if your elbows cave when you fail, out would probably be better.

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For me, I’m not sure which one would be preferable. I know that I’ll abandon the front-rack,

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For something that is almost a crossed grip, but instead my right hand is touching my right clavicle and vice versa, which I believe forces my elbows out to the side somewhat, I honestly couldn’t find a single picture of this online, but imagine this without the crossing of the arms,

Why so?

I’m literally unable to get into this position without bending my wrists. But if it feels good for you, go ahead. Have you ever tried frankenstein squats?

I mean as the set progresses and I lose my elbows, not as a general rule

I have to rotate my wrists, but I can keep them straight. I suppose my upper arm / lower am length ratio is different than yours

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I finally got around to measuring my arms and legs, with this as reference Limb Length Measurement? - #2 by Christian_Thibaudeau

I’m 52% legs and my wingspan is 14cm more than my length. Will I ever press bodyweight overhead? We’ll see.

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I have. Doing them from pins is an exercise I love/hate

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