Nordic Blood: Climbing And Lifting / Lifting And Climbing

Hm, so, here are some intermediary notes of mine. Note that I haven’t transcribed everything that was in the image in the link (Questions on your 2A Programming Recommendation) but rather these are the things that I cared enough to note down.

A1

Similar movement pattern to the main lift. Focus on explosion and potentiation. Meaning we end up with something like,

Squat: Power Snatch from blocks (@colm_rigney sorry colm, I prefer snatch with squats and cleans with DLs)
Deadlift: Power clean from blocks (from blocks is more explosive)
Military Press: Push-press (strength-speed)
Bench Press: Plyo push-up (reactive) or speed benches (strength-speed, 70-80% of working weight, 5 reps)

A2

Muscular activation for a key muscle in the main lift. It says you can use a muscular loading scheme or method here. I’m more inclined to opt for a training method here to keep things simple. Probably superslow reps for me.

B1

ACC

Neuromuscular: either a loading schema that is oriented as such, and there waves/asc. pyramids are my favourites. I guess as far as methods go, one alternative would be starting in the neural rep range (<5), and ending in the muscular range (<20)? Effectively a desc. pyramid?

I did a workout once that had,
15/12/8/20, for squats and
12/10/8/15 for RDLs
which is a pattern I’d like to revisit. Would only work with back squats though… might be worth using for B2 during ACC.

INT

Neurohybrid… Ah, I don’t know. I’m guessing that, since the guideline for the lift is either neurological heavy or neurolical explosive that a hybrid means combining the two somehow. I don’t have any fancy weight releasers, or a training partner so maybe like an extreme drop set (start heavy ~90%, and then drop to a weight where you can be explosive). Another idea I guess is using a star complex: The Vital Whole Human - T NATION but they are a slaughterhouse (and demands occupying a lot of equipment)

B2

Antagonist to B1, muscular (ACC), neuromuscular loading (INT), neuromuscular loading (REA, less volume). Maybe use clusters and rest-pause for B1 to move heavier weights and really emphasize the neuro aspect and then use asc. pyramids/waves here (INT, REA).

Don’t really have anything worth writing down regarding C1/C2 that isn’t covered already.

If it works bettet for you, then go with it man.

For the hybrid you could try contrast loading… 1 rep at 90% strip the weight to 60% for 5 explosive reps, rest then go 92% strip the weight again to 60% and perhaps one more superset if your feeling good?

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I like that idea. Tomorrow I’ll be pairing snatches with DL btw :*

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January 5, 2019

Rest day (and fasting because dammit I can learn how to do it). Went pretty well. Will try again.

January 6, 2019

Monday workout from best damn strength. This program is not working for me so tomorrow I’m doing something else. I have a weird work week ahead and haven’t finished my destructuring of the 2A workout yet. Well, I have them figured out in isolation and now I just need to sketch up a rotation that inspires me.

I’ve also been thinking that maybe I should save up these advanced methods for later. I mean, I can make progress without them for sure.

Ideally, I’d run built for battle now but I want to be in a lower stress phase life wise before that happens.

Today I learned that Zercher squats highlight a weakness of mine.

Push/Squat

A. Squat
2-4 warm-up sets of 3 reps
1 max-rep set with the given percentage (see earlier in the article for the progression)
5@100. 6 would have been a risk. 4 was worse than 5

B. Zercher Squat
2-3 warm-up sets of 3 reps
1 rest/pause set with a starting weight of 4-6 reps 6 reps @ 70.shitty form. My back hated these so I need to do this exercise more

C. Dumbbell Bench Press
Do 1-3 warm-up sets of 6-8 reps
1 mTOR set

D. Rope Triceps Pressdown
1-2 warm-up sets (6-8 reps)
1 Myo-reps set starting with a weight you could do for 6-8 reps

E. Lateral Raise
1-2 warm-up sets (6-8 reps)
1 Myo-reps set

January 7, 2019

4 sets
A1 squat snatches 3 @ 35,35,35,40
A2 DL 5 @ 110,110,115,110 rest/pause last two sets. Doing deadlifts in oly shoes was surprisingly nice

4 sets
B1 Overhead press 5 @ 40,45(3),40,AMRAP which was 5 ironically
B2 cable curl 8 reps

4 sets
C1 Pendlay Row 5@50, AMRAP on final set which was 5 and a half reps. This is disproportionately weak to my bench.
C2 Floor Press 8@40, last set I failed on rep 7

Loved this workout. Got the layout from here Full Body Training Every Day? - #2 by Christian_Thibaudeau Chose the exercises based on what I did yesterday

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January 8, 2019

5 sets
A1 squat cleans 3 @ 50, 55, 60, 70 (front squat), 50 (front squat with pause at bottom). Really out of breath on these ones. Probably because of undersleeping
A2 Lying leg curl. The final set was a 6-8-10 drop set

4 sets
B1 Wide grip BP, 5 reps @ 65, no intensification
B2 Barbell curl with fat gripz, started strong with 12 reps, had one set at like… 6, most were 8-10

4 sets
C1 Lat pull-down with pause in bottom position, AMRAP on final set
C2 French Press, AMRAP on final set

This workout was not great.
I slept poorly, around 5 hours, very restless. I came in to the gym, stressed, because I let myself sleep for an added 30 minutes to offset some of the “damage”. I also didn’t get my morning cup of joe, because somehow the coffee filter had gotten jammed up when I closed the coffee maker before bed (I have it on a timer) so the water had been running along the side. It’s hard to explain. So, very meh as far as workouts go.

While I like the layout of these workouts I’m finding it difficult to pace myself, there is no ebb-and-flow in how much intensity I’m bringing except for on my lower body exercises where I try to be mindful of it.

Climbed in the PM for 2.5 hours. Lovely!

January 9, 2019

4 sets
A1 Leg extension, final set was 6-8-10 (I like these okay)
A2 DB romanian deadlift with toes elevated. Started out very heavy, had a great first work set, but no MMC on the second set. Went down in weight and slowed down my tempo and cleaned up my form and got it back

4 sets
B1 Behind the neck press, 20 reps first set, then 6, then 3, then 3 on the final followed by AMRAP strict press and AMRAP push press. I should have rested 15 seconds between the variants but I did not do that
B2 Preacher curl 10-12 reps, final set was a mechanical drop set. Wide grip, narrow grip, standing

4 sets
C1 Seated row 1+1/2 reps, every set was to muscular failure
C2 Rope cable triceps push down

I mentioned earlier I’m trying to be mindful of how much intensity I’m bringing to bear to not burn out so I figured I’d keep with isolation exercises today for LB. I think I went even harder than normal :slight_smile:

Still continuing to like the layout, I think it would go great with a 2-on, 1-off, 1-on, 1-off schema. @danteism, if you ever program for a 2A and run out of ideas, you could give them this:

But, the 2-on, … won’t fit well with my life right now, and I’m going to burn out if I continue running this every day.

I have found a program that I’ll run, I’ll post about that later.

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Thanks for the suggestion man, I appreciate it

Speaking of programs and 2As, I posted the wrap up of my 2A client the other day, it’s not really a program that fits the recommendation 100%, but I’d say it worked pretty well.

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January 10, 2019

4 sets
A1 Bulgarian split squats for 5 reps. Wanted to do proper back squats/Anderson squats today but my lower back is too fatigued from yesterdays DB DLs
A2 Lying leg curl 2/1 method for 8 reps

Hated the above pairing, maybe because I generally dislike split squats, or because I struggled to make it into a quad exercise (especially with my right leg where it became nothing but glutes).

4 sets
B1 Incline BP for 3-5 reps
B2 Lying Guillotine Curl with a peak contraction of 2s, 8-10 reps. Loved these!

4 sets
C1 Weighted Chins for 5 reps
C2 Weighted Dips (triceps emphasis) for 8-10 reps.

Loved that pairing. I love movements overall

January 11, 2019

4 sets
A1. Front Squat Heels Elevated 15/12/8/20 (reps)
A2. Started with Single leg good morning but after 2 sets my lower back was fried, did pilates ball hamstring curls for the remaining two sets

4 sets
B1. Seated Zavickas Press <3, 6-8 reps
B2. EZ-Bar reverse curl 10-12 reps. Final set was a drop set

4 sets
C1. Snatch-grip High Pull 3 reps
C2. Triceps extension 10-12 reps, followed by AMRAP JM press, followed by AMRAP close-grip bench press

Lovely workout. Woke up with so much pain in my upper-back I almost decided to send someone for my work computer so that I could work from home but I got up, did some chins and stretches and went to the gym and had the most productive workout I’ve had all week.

January 12, 2019

Rest day. Fasting 24h

January 13 (Bulgarian Training Simplified: BTS), 2019

Worked up to 3 RMs,

Zercher 85 kg (could probably have gotten 90, but not with decent form)
Deficit DL 130 kg
Floor Press 70 kg

Finished with Barbell rows in-between floor presses as I was in a hurry

January 14, 2019 (BTS)

4x3 @ 80% of 3RM
Zercher 67.5 kg (68)
Deficit DL 105 kg (104)
Floor Press 55 kg (56)

Pull-ups, pronated. Both weighted and unweighted. Struggling a bit with the final cm on the “lift” when weighted. 4 sets, 10-12 reps.

January 15, 2019 (BTS)

Recovery day,
Yoga in the AM,
Climbing in the PM.

Low-carb day (~70g+veggies, 15g intra during climbing, ~50g after. Trace carbs make up the rest). Might make this day run even lower in carbs in the future and have more on the day after.

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How was that? I’ve fasted from dinner to dinner a couple times and it’s been rough. I need to be pretty busy to keep from giving in to my hunger.

It’s fine now, the first two or three times were hard and triggered unwanted behavior (binge-eating) but now I’m feeling completely in control. It’s not enjoyable, but my feelings towards it are just shy of positive but better than neutral.

It’s not something I’d run around recommending though.

Are you running the program from the BTS article here on the site? It looks interesting, but that’s a lot of time in the gym for me.

As far as 24h fasting goes, I’ve done it before out of necessity, but I’m not sure it’s something I want to do to myself on purpose.

January 16, 2019 (BTS)

Strapped for time, supersets ftw
A1. Zercher 77.5 kg
A2. Floor Press 62.5 kg
B1. Deficit DL 117.5 kg
B2. Seated Cable Row

January 17, 2019 (BTS)

AM:
4x3 @ 70% of 3RM
Zercher 60 kg
Deficit DL 90 kg
Floor Press 50 kg

PM: Climbing!

Yup, workouts take about one hour and I’m expecting for it to take slightly less than that. I’ve been using small increments between my warm-up sets, arguably too small. But, I’ve offset the time the workouts take by supersetting exercises when I need to as you can see in my latest point. Afraid I’ll grow bored with the lack of variety, but right now it’s nice to focus on getting stronger and not do as much volume.

January 18, 2019 (BTS)

Worked up to a 3RM
Back squat: 110 kg (no progress)
Deadlift: 140 kg (last rep was bad. Lost my upper back)
Bench press: 2 reps at 77.5 kg

On the back squat, I started out trying to ramp for a ATG squat, as my back was feeling fucky and doing ATG would be more inline with my performance goals for the year (cleans/snatches etcetera.) however my hip didn’t like the depth and so I switched over to a low-bar back squat instead but I was a bit fatigued. Also, sleep has been poor all week. Not unhappy, not happy. Happy about the deadlifts though. The hip pain is probably a form/ankle flexibility issue. I’m a tall guy, with long femurs to boot, and who knows, maybe I just don’t have the hips for ATG squatting: The Vital Whole Human - T NATION The Vital Whole Human - T NATION @danteism you ATG squat if I recall correctly, do you have short legs and a long torso?

Diet thoughts

I’m trying to figure out how to structure my diet. If I arrive at anything here, with your help, I won’t be able to implement that immediately as I’ve already stocked up on some goods for the coming week. But, I still want to write my thoughts down and hopefully get some guidance.

First, to frame the discussion, let’s mention weight and activity levels:

  • Weight: 160 pounds
  • Training days: strength-oriented workouts, no real hypertrophy work. Full-body workouts (The Vital Whole Human - T NATION). 5 times a week. Sometimes climb on a workout day as well.
  • Off-days: yoga (sometimes) and climbing (sometimes)
  • All workweek days: 40 minutes on the bike in the snow, primarily downhill to work/gym, 15 minutes, and 25 minutes to get home as it is uphill.
  • Daily walks after lunch.

I’d like to add more activity but right now I’m a bit too beat up to get to the walks. This is because I’ve been bad at upping my calories after my diet as I’m afraid of getting fat by taking on too much of a surplus before my metabolism adapts to the increase in calories. I went deep into a deficit, 1400 calories. Not sure what exactly I’m eating right now as I’ve been clearing the freezer from some homemade baked protein goodies, but around 2400 and my weight remains stable on that.

My normal day looks something like, 2324 calories (226.4p, 183.6c, 75.3f)
Intra-workout (chug half before my warm-up, fill the bottle back up and finish during workout): 264 calories (26.3p, 38.1c, 0.7f)
10g EAA
20g whey
40-50g waxy-maize

Post-workout 1: >390 calories (44g protein, 39.8g carbs, 5.3g fat) + whatever a banana is
250g low-fat cottage cheese
50g oat bran cereal
1 banana
minimal amount of whey for flavour

Post-workout 2: the same as the above sans the banana about 60-90 minutes later

Lunch: ~600 calories, ~60g protein, 57g carbs, 15g fats
200-250g chicken
80g rice, or the equivalent caloriewise in potatoes or sweet potatoes. I favour rice and potatoes over sweet potatoes because the latter is expensive here.
500-700g frozen vegetables (thawed)
6-8 fish-oil capsules

Mid-afternoon snack: 236 kcal (20.3g protein, 5.6g carbs (3.1g fiber, 2.07g sugars), 14.4g fat)
Homemade protein fudge bar

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Dinner: 436 calories (29.5g protein, 3.4g carbs, 34.3g fat)
125g salmon
10g walnuts
15g almonds (I don’t sprout these… yet)
Assorted vegetables

and that’s it. I’m usually starving at the end of the work-day and biking home is tough. If I didn’t have the two post-workout I’d find it hard to get through the morning but ideally, I’d rather eat once instead of two times.

I want to: decrease my protein intake and increase my carb-intake. Why? Carbs are awesome, I hear, and I’m concerned about the environment so I want to decrease my meat/eggs/fish consumption. Apparently, sustainable eating would be,

A person following the planetary health diet would eat less than 50g per day each of eggs, fish, sugar and meat

(fortunately: sugar is not a staple in my diet)

I’ve noticed this week that eating something before leaving for the gym results in a marked improvement in performance, especially as it makes the biking to the gym less exhausting. It’s not ideal that I bike to the gym (previously fasted), and while there is another gym I could frequent I end up late for work if I go there and that is not feasible at the moment.

Currently completely unaccustomed to eating straight out of bed though, so I’ll have to work up a tolerance here. Have had success with eggs and some almonds but I really want to get some low GI carbs in here and am accepting suggestions. Why low GI? So that I can spike insulin post-workout. However, my intra-workout carb source is waxy maize so maybe my body is desensitized after the workout to a rise in blood sugar anyway and this is an unnecessary optimization (?)

Maybe I could run some protein (whey) together with tangerines on waking, but I have to try and stay under 25g fructose a day (right @mertdawg?). According to Poliquin the following fruits can be eaten pre-workout as they will not spike insulin,

  • Grapefruit
  • Apricot
  • Apples
  • Cherries
  • Pear
  • Plum
  • Cantaloupe
  • Nectarine
  • Raspberries
  • Strawberries
  • Blueberries
  • Blackberries
  • Orange family (tangerine, mandarine)

My intra-workout nutrition is 10g EAA, 20g whey, and 40-50g waxy-maize. John Meadow’s suggested this somewhere, and I reckon it was for guys bigger than me, doing bodybuilding sessions. So, it’s probably ample. I also prefer to get my food in solid form rather than powdered so unless I’m struggling to get food down (I’m not) I’d be unkeen to increase any of these portions but if there is a good argument to do so I’m open to it.

I will have finished my workout at 8AM. That leaves me 3 hours to get in carbs+protein meals (right?). Following the workout, I’m thinking maybe oats with blueberries and pineapple together with low-fat cottage cheese. Again, remaining mindful of fructose.

For lunch, it’s been more than 3 hours since my workout, so I’m guessing I should cut out rice and should opt for beans/lentils/chickpeas/butternut squash (should I treat squash as a vegetable or as a carb?) instead? And maybe the reason lunch hasn’t been sustaining for me is because it is so low in fat.

I’m already fairly happy with the dinner. Sometimes I split it, so I have the nuts later pre-bed together with some kimchi. But, by eating it together my stomach is somewhat empty as I go to bed which makes the melatonin I take work better. I do still however wake up every single night, usually multiple times. Maybe this wouldn’t happen if I had a pre-bed snack, but I used to have those during my diet and still slept like shit but then maybe I slept like shit because I was on a diet.

I realize I sound like a thousand other guys on these forums that have been freaking out about minutia, and while I do appreciate I don’t have to care about nutrient timing etcetera I kind of want to because I want to realize and implement what I’ve learned. It’s not so much about “optimal” as it is about just doing things right and leveraging all that I’ve learned.

Writing all of this out, I realize I should probably, (keeping in mind planetary health somewhat…)
Wake-up, eat something protein+carb:y, favouring a low GI. Maybe: 1 egg, rice boiled with coconut oil with a teaspoon of almond flour that has been refridgerated.
Train with my shake
Eat a mastodon amount of oats (it’s only wheat that causes an insanely long elevated insulin secretion, right @mertdawg?), the same amount of low-fat cottage cheese, and some blueberries/pineapple.

Maybe stop with chicken for lunch, and have a fattier meat source, but less (in grams) than the chicken. Make up for the decrease in protein with beans/lentils. By having a better spread across the macros this meal might be more satiating. I find that I’m experiencing some kind of “toxic hunger” at the moment where I’m never really satiated and maybe that’s because the meals aren’t too balanced?

Dinner: same, but smaller pieces of salmon eventually.

I guess I should make myself a pre-bed snack that is high in protein but I think I’ll already have reached my protein intake for the day at the weight that I am at.

When I get the chance, I’ll write up a new meal plan, but since I won’t be able to run it the upcoming week (already done my grocery shopping) that isn’t at the top of my priority list.

In the mean-time, if anyone wants to chime in in anyway I more than welcome it!

I do ATG front squats, on back squats I don’t go full on ATG, but it’s not far off.

I wouldn’t say that my legs are short, but they aren’t abnormally long either (I’d say they are shorter than most tall guys’ legs however)

CT remarked with a cussword or two just how long my legs were during the bootcamp. For reference Front squat - YouTube

Got to say, it wasn’t done without a reason. Those are some long ass legs man

Do you use any salt in there? If not, you could try that.

Also, do remember that your intra-workout drink serves as a kind of post workout drink as well, Scott Stevenson briefly talks about this in Fortitude Training. You don’t necessarily have to spike insulin post workout when you’re having a good amount of carbs intra-workout. (Doesn’t really hurt though). Personally I’ve removed my post workout drink carbs and only have whey, greens powder and cinnamon in there. I do have some carbs with my post workout meal though.