Nordic Blood: Climbing And Lifting / Lifting And Climbing

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Wednesday: 1940 calories, 172p, 100c, 87f (Today, normally 1830 calories but I had some carrots that were going to have to be tossed out soon so I ate them instead)
Thursday: 2118 calories, 218p, 155c, 69f
Friday: 2118 calories, 218p, 155c, 69f
Saturday: 1830 calories, 172p, 75c, 87f
Sunday: 1830 calories, 172p, 75c, 87f
Monday: 2118 calories, 218p, 155c, 69f <— Playing a guessing game at this point and beyond. But weight loss hasn’t stalled yet.
Tuesday: (at most) 2523 calories, 243p, 225c, 63f (Planned climbing session in the PM - I faired fairly well with what I had yesterday)
Wednesday: ???

For that Wednesday (with the dinner), I could fit in a low intensity AM workout (skill/technique workout + abdominal work. A conditioning workout might be too much as the scheduled workouts are kind of training. Maybe a really short EMOM-based session would work).

Could do ergometer work/bike outdoors.

Still can’t run (jog+sprint) because of my Achilles, but I can take an AM walk (with a vest if necessary) and a lunch walk.

Obviously, I can’t do it all but those are options that I feel are on the table.

Type 3’s can be held back by the fear of injury and they tend to be more sensitive to pain

I’m a huge pansy. I started working on backflips this summer, it will take me 45 minutes on the trampoline out of a 1 hr session before I actually go for it (and that’s because I’m running out of time)

I would consider this procastinating more so than being a pansy. A pansy would not do it period. You waiting for time to run out seems more like waiting for adrenaline to kick in which is very much a type 2 thing. You also have a lot of type 1 traits and a type 1B is still possible but I reckon myself you are a 2A. The fact that you read Christians work also kind of shouts type 2 as he has said before that type 2’s are more likely to follow his plans and like them.

Hi Colm, thanks for your reply and welcome to my log :slight_smile:

Why do you think 2A as opposed to 2B?

I read the neurotyping stuff when it came out and I couldn’t figure out where I fit. I saw traits in all three types and then I realized that it doesn’t matter.

It’s a different spin on the old personality test. I’ve done tests where you’re a letter or color and they’re all the same.

With training I’ve found things that I enjoy so I do that. I’m not worried about why I enjoy it.

The neurotyping stuff is neat but I think you can find yourself majoring in the minors very quickly.

Hi Allberg,

Great to be here. I said type 2 for a few other reasons. You post progress photos as a way to keep you losing weight, like you are accountable. You likely know that type 2s only succeed with diet if they are held accountable. So for me you are type 2.

I said 2A because you are learning a backflip. That to me is variety and signals you are good at learning new motor patterns even if you do procrastinate with them. I was the same with the oly lifts when I started learning them, even still do by times. I know you said your not good at learning new things but this seems to contradict that? This is the main reason for 2A and that you have a lot of type 1 in you too. I have a lot of type 1 in me but am a 2A and like you a chameleon.

What type of training style are you doing now and how long have you done it?

Wise words. I’m just naturally a very curious person and if I can’t quite wrap my head around something, especially something like this, I tend to dig deep to get to the bottom of it.

When evaluating how essential something is I tend to juxtapose it with how many success stories precede it. A light that tends to make most things get categorized as non-essential.

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I post the photos mostly for myself, I’ve been snapping pics since the start and I find that they add a lot of life to the log. The log isn’t beneficial to me from an accountability point of view, I was on this journey before I started the log and could have continued it.

I missed interacting with like-minded individuals though, very quickly I came to a point where what I’ve been doing became disregarded as “not normal” but here I get to belong in a way that simply isn’t afforded to me in real life at the moment.

Still haven’t learnt it to be fair. But yes, I am attracted to exhibiting a wide variety level of skills. I’m still waiting for the new year to post my goals for 2019 but a lot of bullet items are simply movements that I want to be able to do.

Right now I’m doing 6 Weeks to Superhero - Bigger Stronger Leaner - COMMUNITY - T NATION and it has not been my favourite program yet, but I’d like to stick to it if not for anything other than being stubborn and thinking it’s my diet brain trying to get me out of an uncomfortable place to be.

Your workouts look pretty awesome but I bet they wear you down after the six weeks. They have a lot of high intensity movements.

When I read them I think I should do that but then my brain kicks in and reminds me how my joints will feel :laughing:

They are indeed awesome. The first week on it was an absolute joy, but I’ve struggled this last week to have energy throughout the entire workout. I usually end up zapped after half, or two thirds, of the workouts.

I did Athlete Lean, Athlete Strong before the start of this program for four weeks (also on a deficit). Through a portion of that program, which is also fairly intense, I had Plazma as my pre/intra-workout nutrition. Now I’m on significantly cheaper stuff. I also train in the AM, so it’s not like I’ve been able to build a buffer of muscle glycogen throughout the day.

The workouts on this problem feel a bit too long for me, or it’s the lackluster quality of my workout supplementation. Or, it’s that I’m several additional weeks into the diet. There is not one obvious culprit, just a lot of likely suspects.

Most of CT’s stuff is designed for growth so doing the programs on a deficit is probably going to be tough. You’re experiencing a lot of CNS fatigue with those workouts too. I bet I’d hit the wall around week four. That’s where the program would go from fun to a grind.

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I’ve been assuming since it’s a program for fat loss it assumes a deficit. He’s normally pretty good about pointing out when you can’t be on a deficit on a program (maybe that’s new to his writing though). But SGSS comes to mind, and also Built for Battle. Even Best Damn for Strength. He makes an effort to point out that you shouldn’t be on a deficit on those programs.

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I haven’t looked at Super Hero in awhile. The work looks like you might peak a week or two after you finish so I thought it was another building program.

Constant coldness is an indicator that your BMR is slowing down at the very moment - your body is saving energy by turning the heat down so to speak.

What I’d do is to move some carbs from next Monday and Tuesday to tomorrow and the day after that - and by some I mean quite a bit, enough to get you eating at maintenance for the next two days.

This could work as an acute way of preventing metabolic degrading. Then, after that you should dig deep (think under 100 carbs per day) for the next four days and even the first half of the day you’ll have the dinner. Go in there depleted as hell. I’d like u u to have a literal ton of food that night to make sure you get the benefits of a true refeed. In other words, have a real cheat meal or two.

The day after that, go straight back into dieting either with your current calories or what you were going to drop to from here, it’s your call.

It’ll take a couple of days for you to resume to your original weight but it will be worth it.

The only carbs I see as movable would be my pre-bed oats. Maybe cut these completely (?), and bring that in tomorrow and the day after that in the form of white rice boiled together with a tablespoon of coconut oil (to make it a more resistant starch) Eat Rice Without Getting Fat - Diet and Nutrition - COMMUNITY - T NATION to have together with lunch? Make it a 50/50 spread between tomorrow and the day after. That doesn’t quite get me below a hundred though but I can shave a few grams from my peri-workout I guess.

Maybe forgo the climbing session lest I’d die (if I’m going to run at below 100g).

It’ll be really fun to try this!

Kind of an off-topic question here, but do you soak your oats? I read (I think on a TN article) that soaking your oats 1) makes them taste better (seems like just an opinion) and 2) significantly reduces the amount of phytates present

I do soak my oats, mostly because I have gelatin together with it. By the time it’s time to eat it all the water is gone so I’m not pouring any water out of the bowl so the phytates probably stick around. I soak my almonds together with this blend as well. They’ve never sprouted so probably need to soak them two days ahead of planned consumption but haven’t tried it

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All carbs are movable if you decide so. It’s actually surprisingly easy to run on just, say 20g intra-workout carbs for the whole day

True. I’ve actually gone super low carb for about a week, maybe two. I followed Refined Physique Transformation and tried to restore my muscle glycogen using leucine and glycine and went hypoglycemic. I wasn’t well educated enough to understand that was what I was experiencing, so the next day I repeated the experience!

I was doing a completely different type of workout though where I could get away with it. Which is why, in reference to,

I’d say it is somewhat dependent on your workout. Again, I reckon you are not counting carbs from vegetable sources?

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Thursday, 30th of August

Weight: 74.9kg (-0.2kg)
Sleep: ~8h. Did not wake up feeling recovered and rested. I live near a night club and school is back in session. Which, here, means “let’s have the new students compete who can get alcohol poisoning the quickest”. Woke up to a few sirens throughout the night. Joy!

Mirror: starting to think I might have a bit of excess skin. I get stretch marks really easily so I wouldn’t be surprised if my skin will struggle to adapt to my new body shape. Here’s a pic from today,

Workout

4 circuits, 30-60s rest between exercises and ~90s between circuits [0]
Top-half squat 6@160kg
Front squat 6@60kg
Power snatch from hang or blocks 4@40kg. [1]
Jump squat with bar 8@40kg
Vertical jump series 10 reps
Ergometer 250m [2]

4 circuits, 30-60s rest between exercises and ~90s between circuits
Top-half seated overhead press 6, 5, 4, 6 @55kg [3]
Standing military press 6, 3, 2, 2@40kg [4]
Push press 4@40 kg
Medicine ball push-press throw overhead 10@7kg
Feet elevated plyo push-up 8

[0]: More fired up, but still not super energetic. So my rest periods were a bit longer than usual.
[1]: Now with a catch, missed a rep here or there but that was just technique failure. Could reset and get the rep each time.
[2]: Didn’t forget this time!
[3]: Lot’s of missed reps here
[4]: Even worse here. I think on this movement I won’t apply the weekly progression and instead keep with this weight until I get the reps. Ready to progress on all lower body work though.

Notes: Felt wrecked after the first Squat circuit. Felt more energized at the third, and then I just kept going.

Missing reps was disheartening of course, and there was a time when my respiratory system felt very labored; not from the workout but rather remnants of the cold. But I pushed through and I’m glad I did since I got to feel very accomplished as I left the gym.

Time spent in the gym: 1hr 12m + warm-up

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Brilliant

Yeah, I don’t count those. I get around 30-40g of carbs from vegetables per day so it’s not a huge amount anyways