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Again I have to contend that with a back that rushed for 1100+ yards last season the Lions made the best move with this years 1st round pick.

Mike Williams was the best player available when it was their turn. Everyone knows how fragil Charlie Rodgers is, so having a strong core of recievers is important.

As for Joey, they should have released him over the winter. Even when he was drafted it was well known that they really wanted David Carr, who I think is a helluva QB.
Who knows they still might deal Joey off no matter what the cost. I’m sure the Lions aren’t thinking super-bowl but I can guarantee their thinking division championship this season. With Garcia being in camp competing for the starting job maybe Joey will get his head out of his posterior to make a difference in D-town.

GAINER

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[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
mark lonnie jr wrote:
In mcnabbs defense he threw 31 tds with only 7 ints.he just can’t get it done,even with T.O playing the game of his life on one leg.

With that performance Owens put on i wouldn’t be surprised to see em will the eags to the bowl.
Even with all the third person talk he’s still a warrior.I hate the eagles,but i dont mind watching him play.

Fair enough. Most non-Philadelphians hate the Eagles and Phila. fans in general with some justification. We’re easy to hate. But it’s fun as hell to be a Phila. fan.

really? You like always losing in the clutch?[/quote]

haha. Obviously not. I was really talking about going to games at the Vet and now the Linc and being in that atmosphere with other Phila. fans. especially when we win. not just football. every sport really. Everyone goes nuts and drives through broadsteet and the whole city ends up at Pats or Genos (cheesteak). I remember being in a strip club for a friends’ 18th birthday back in 2001 during the NBA finals the first game we beat the Lakers. The strippers stopped stripping and started going crazy. The whole place emptied out, and the strippers ended up cutting their shift short and coming with us to Pats! of couse we choked and proceeded to lose the next 4 games… As for that, we’ll see what happens this football season. One step closer last year. McNabb’s got talent and leadership. he’s just gotta keep it together…

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[quote]sasquatch wrote:
mls jr. wrote:
I think the seahawks and panthers are gonna roll.Thereisn’t 1 player in this draft thats gonna make a difference in who goes to the playoffs(outside of Mike Williams).I’m looking for detroit to do well this year,with those wrs alot teams are gonna get beat beat by jones having to cover em all.There’s just to many playmakers on the field.

Mike Williams will not be an impact, go to the Super Bowl type player. And besides, you still need to get the ball to the wide receivers for them to be effective. Joey has not proven he can do that yet. The key for the Lions will be the development of a consistant running game. This will take some pressure off of Harrington and allow him to progress as a QB.[/quote]

Agree. But Detroit has a lot of potential if everything comes together. finally.

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Actually St Louis had an awesome running game, Marshall Faulk is THE man, the best RB since Barry Sanders. And a great O-line, including Orlando Pace.

Defense wise, they finished #4 in 1999 in points scored and #1 overall versus the run in attempts, yards and Tds allowed.

What I meant by great passing team was a team that is great in passing but not good in other areas. Teams that can put up a lot of points and gain a lot of yards but whose defense gives up just as many and whose running game can’t control the clock.

90s: Bills, Oilers,

00s: Colts, Chiefs,

80s: Chargers, Dolphins

Having great receivers helped the 49ers of the 80s and the 99 Rams.

Ravens, Giants, Broncos, Cowboys, Redskins, Patriots, Bucs, Packers, etc
all won Super Bowls with 1 (or none) game breaking receiver.

I stand by my opinion that 3 1st round picks at WR is overkill and a mistake, especially for a blah team like the Lions .

recent history uuuuuhhhhhh st louie rams IN YOUR FACE

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1.Kevin Jones is gonna light it up.
2.Williams is a bruiser not a burner.
3.They’ll be alot to contain because they all have somethin to prove.
4.Watch,secondaries are gonna get beat up in the NFC.

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[quote]Sonny S wrote:
Actually St Louis had an awesome running game, Marshall Faulk is THE man, the best RB since Barry Sanders. And a great O-line, including Orlando Pace.

Defense wise, they finished #4 in 1999 in points scored and #1 overall versus the run in attempts, yards and Tds allowed.

What I meant by great passing team was a team that is great in passing but not good in other areas. Teams that can put up a lot of points and gain a lot of yards but whose defense gives up just as many and whose running game can’t control the clock.

90s: Bills, Oilers,

00s: Colts, Chiefs,

80s: Chargers, Dolphins

Having great receivers helped the 49ers of the 80s and the 99 Rams.

Ravens, Giants, Broncos, Cowboys, Redskins, Patriots, Bucs, Packers, etc
all won Super Bowls with 1 (or none) game breaking receiver.

I stand by my opinion that 3 1st round picks at WR is overkill and a mistake, especially for a blah team like the Lions .

recent history uuuuuhhhhhh st louie rams IN YOUR FACE

[/quote]

Sonny S

You can’t have it both ways. Your exact statement was no great passing team had won a super bowl. They have.

The rush d #'s you quote are because theor offense was so prolific, that teams stopped running against them in the 2nd qt.

Yes the 49r receivers were great, but that was one of the best teams ever. The D was #1, Rathman and Craig were incredible, it was a new offense that teams could not D yet. And, oh yah, they had a pretty good qb–Joe somebody.

The Bills of the 90s were a great team, they just ran into a series of teams that were better. But they had a very good d, a great qb and Thurman Thomas was every bit as good as Marshall Faulk.

All that said I will agree that picking three wide receivers first will not get Detroit to the Super Bowl. But that has more to do with their choice of qb than their choice of receivers. Harrington needs to pick up his game, and their running game has to be consistant. If they get those two things–look out. They will be well coached that’s for sure.

But, no, not ready for the super bowl yet

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So much trash a talkin ’ ! Eagles this …Eagles that ! I’m from Philly and yes it is true we are all rude and obnoxious , especially when it comes to Eagles Football ! McNabb is one of the best pure athletes in the game today . When it is one the line he comes through . NO , not all the time , but most of the time . People are sayin ’ the the NFC is weak ! I say , sounds like some people are making excuses …and that is weakness !

Hey Bigfoot …or whatever you call yourself , you say BYE BYE in reference that the Eagles are on the way out ? Did the Eagles franchise cut all their players and sign the entire Cowboys roster ? Oh wait they didnt , they have the same players and had a great draft ! Fact …Eagles v. Patriots Superbowl XL !

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[quote]Sonny S wrote:
Actually St Louis had an awesome running game, Marshall Faulk is THE man, the best RB since Barry Sanders. And a great O-line, including Orlando Pace.

[/quote]

i wouldn’t compare marshall faulk to barry sanders lol , i think marshall was good but damn Barry ? i think marshall could be compared to roger craige interms of how they played. plus Barry always had a poor o-line, i think Walter Payton , Jim Brown ,and Berry Sanders are on a leavel that none of us has seen well i dont know when but in terms of the game and character of those men they are the best to play that position

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Detroit= 5 and 11 this year.

And next year.

And probably the year after that.

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The Raiders had the best draft, at least if you include the acquisition of Moss as a 1st-round pick, which is all it cost them. Also signing LaMont Jordan away from the Jets was a good deal.

Now, as to the picks, a lot of people were dissing the Raiders for going with speed guys for the corners, but with the rule changes in the NFL w/r/t corners and contact w/ receivers, the shut-down corner just won’t exist anymore (analysis stolen from Bill Parcells), so going with fast guys that can stay with people may be an excellent strategy. They also picked up a really good Pac-10 QB from ASU, a tall pocket-passer a la Kerry Collins and a la Troy Aikman (Norv Turner is the coach, and it looks as if he’s trying to re-assemble a 90s Cowboy-style offense, but with even better receivers).

THe AFC West is going to be scary good this year if SD keeps it going from last year and KC’s defense is as much improved as it looks. Add the new Raiders offense to the mix, and the fact Denver is still pretty good, and this is the toughest division in football.

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[quote]bikemike wrote:
BFG wrote:

Alex Smith will be dead in about 3 years if he stays with the Niners … all that turmoil in San Francisco. They have a long way to go. Poor (rich) kid.

BFG

I doubt Alex will be a starter for a while. But if he is, he might be slippery enough to avoid death.[/quote]

Sorry man. Two things:
(1) this ain’t the WACC
(2) Alex Smith ain’t Mike Vick
I personally like the guy and think he should have won the Heisman [sic?], but the Niners are f*cking terrible. He has nobody to learn from. The only way he’ll learn is to play. And then he’ll get pounded in the @ss like Foopa does.

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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
As for Joey, they should have released him over the winter. Even when he was drafted it was well known that they really wanted David Carr, who I think is a helluva QB.

Who knows they still might deal Joey off no matter what the cost. I’m sure the Lions aren’t thinking super-bowl but I can guarantee their thinking division championship this season. With Garcia being in camp competing for the starting job maybe Joey will get his head out of his posterior to make a difference in D-town.

GAINER[/quote]

Do you ever get the impression that Joey Harrington is approximately 437 times f*cking sharper than David Carr? Gone are the days when a dumb@ss quarterback can win it all the way Bradshaw did.

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
THe AFC West is going to be scary good this year if SD keeps it going from last year and KC’s defense is as much improved as it looks. Add the new Raiders offense to the mix, and the fact Denver is still pretty good, and this is the toughest division in football.[/quote]

The AFC West is competitive as hell but will not produce the Conference champ.

  1. Go Boltz!
  2. Chiefs will be dangerous
  3. Denver has lost the edge
  4. We won’t worry about the Raiders until Al Davis is DEAD.
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Another weapon for SuperVick. Go Birds!

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[quote]BFG wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
THe AFC West is going to be scary good this year if SD keeps it going from last year and KC’s defense is as much improved as it looks. Add the new Raiders offense to the mix, and the fact Denver is still pretty good, and this is the toughest division in football.

The AFC West is competitive as hell but will not produce the Conference champ.

  1. Go Boltz!
  2. Chiefs will be dangerous
  3. Denver has lost the edge
  4. We won’t worry about the Raiders until Al Davis is DEAD.[/quote]

Raiders offense skill positions:

QB: Kerry Collins, who can be good if he is protected.

RB: LaMont Jordan, fresh from resting behind Curtis Martin on the Jets, good talent.

WR1: Randy Moss

WR2: Jerry Porter

WR3: Ronald Curry

TE: Probably Teyo Johnson

That is an offense that should bring the laundry teams in the rest of the league to buy extra bleach to attend to the drawers of their defenses.

Easily the best group of receivers in the league; a QB who can go deep well; a very good running back; and a 2nd-year TE who has got some serious speed too (hopefully he will bring back the excitement of the “Ghost to the Post” Dave Casper days).

With receivers like that, LaMont Jordan will be able to run against spread-out defenses – he’ll be dancing around in linebacker and secondary territory quite a bit.

They’re scary good on O – I just hope the D can keep up. They should be improved by moving back to a 4-3 base, which fits their linemen better.

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I like Ronald Curry,that night game in the snow was amazing last year.He has potential to be great,right along with Porter.Moss is overrated.He’s scared to work or get hit and only plays if he feels like it.

Moss isn’t anywhere near the level of T.O.

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
BFG wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
THe AFC West is going to be scary good this year if SD keeps it going from last year and KC’s defense is as much improved as it looks. Add the new Raiders offense to the mix, and the fact Denver is still pretty good, and this is the toughest division in football.

The AFC West is competitive as hell but will not produce the Conference champ.

  1. Go Boltz!
  2. Chiefs will be dangerous
  3. Denver has lost the edge
  4. We won’t worry about the Raiders until Al Davis is DEAD.

Raiders offense skill positions:

QB: Kerry Collins, who can be good if he is protected.

RB: LaMont Jordan, fresh from resting behind Curtis Martin on the Jets, good talent.

WR1: Randy Moss

WR2: Jerry Porter

WR3: Ronald Curry

TE: Probably Teyo Johnson

That is an offense that should bring the laundry teams in the rest of the league to buy extra bleach to attend to the drawers of their defenses.

Easily the best group of receivers in the league; a QB who can go deep well; a very good running back; and a 2nd-year TE who has got some serious speed too (hopefully he will bring back the excitement of the “Ghost to the Post” Dave Casper days).

With receivers like that, LaMont Jordan will be able to run against spread-out defenses – he’ll be dancing around in linebacker and secondary territory quite a bit.

They’re scary good on O – I just hope the D can keep up. They should be improved by moving back to a 4-3 base, which fits their linemen better.[/quote]

BB

It just doesn’t matter. The Raiders have been stacked with talent before. Poor coaching, total lack of chemistry and the “team concept”, arrogant punks like Moss, plus that infamous Raider bad attitude … it just ain’t happening.

BFG

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The Raiders are living on their personna rather than building a true NFL product…

They are what the XFL tried to be.

Davis needs to sell the team and get a consistent coach up there. I feel bad for you Raider Nation folks, all dreamy and dough eyed, believing that Moss is your savior…

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Alright now let’s see who gets dropped after training camp and preseason. No, on a more positive note- it’s time for these guys to perform.