NFL 2013 Part 3

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I was looking at Steve Young’s statistics recently. I think he is the closest comparison to the type of player Kaepernick is right now. Admittedly, I jumped the gun slightly on what type of player he would be this year. That being said, Steve Young received the same sort of criticism that Kaepernick gets now, that he can’t make plays from the pocket.

It took Steve Young about 650 passing attempts before he really figured out how to complete a high percentage of throws. Prior to the 1989 season, Young never completed more than about 56% of his throws. Once he had more experience under center, he quickly became an elite-level pocket passer. And he could still run, which made him arguably the most dangerous QB of his generation. And keep in mind that those 650 pass attempts don’t take into account his time in the UFL.

Kaepernick only has about half as many pass attempts at this point, and quite frankly, he’s light years ahead of where Young was at the same juncture in his career. He has better arm talent AND better running ability. Although Harbaugh is no Bill Walsh, he is still as good a QB teacher as there is in the game today. Kaepernick isn’t there yet, but he’s well on his way. Montana, with similarly dominant defenses aiding him, only won one road playoff game in his Niners career, the only blemish on his SF resume. Kaepernick has already won three road games, more than all other Niners QBs combined. Yesterday notwithstanding, the guy is a clutch performer. I’m not sure I would say he’s elite, but he’s definitely at the top of that secondary level of QBs. He’ll be fine, and I think his evolution as a passer is going to continue to accelerate. They also need to get some more offensive talent around the fucking guy.

I love Frank Gore to death and count him amongst my four or five favorite players of all-time. But he looks done. Any attempt to bounce it outside has basically been an automatic 2-yard loss or more for about half the year now. He doesn’t hit the hole with the same quickness he used to, and he was never that fast to begin with. Marcus Lattimore will surely start the year as his backup, but I think by the end of next year, Gore will be ceding about 65% of the carries to him.

And if Lattimore can come back from his injury and play at the type of level he clearly looked capable of prior to his injury, the rest of the NFC better look out once again.

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
I expect it to be a good competitive game but I think Denver just has too many weapons.

31-20 Denver[/quote]

You think Denver is going to score more points against Seattle than they did against either the Pats or the Chargers?
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I do for a few reasons:

  1. The Broncos should have scored more against the Chargers but Drcker did everything in his power to give that game away. He dropped that TD pass at the end of the first half that turned into a INT. I don’t know if you watched the game or not but it hit him in the numbers in the endzone and he coughed it up for no reason. That would have put them up 21-0 at half and they got the ball after half and scored. If he catches that ball the games over at half. Not to mention him falling down on the wide open punt return for a TD and muffing the onside kick which took a possession away (- points for Denver and + points for SD)

That game would have been a huge blow out if decker didn’t play so poorly.

  1. Against the pats the Broncos took their foot off the gas once they built their lead and decided to get the run game going to eat up clock. They could easily have put up more points if they wanted to keep throwing but they decided to eat up clock. I don’t think the Broncos will be able to do that against Seattle since their run D is so stout and that means Manning will keep throwing.

Those are my reasons why.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
I expect it to be a good competitive game but I think Denver just has too many weapons.

31-20 Denver[/quote]

You think Denver is going to score more points against Seattle than they did against either the Pats or the Chargers?
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I do for a few reasons:

  1. The Broncos should have scored more against the Chargers but Drcker did everything in his power to give that game away. He dropped that TD pass at the end of the first half that turned into a INT. I don’t know if you watched the game or not but it hit him in the numbers in the endzone and he coughed it up for no reason. That would have put them up 21-0 at half and they got the ball after half and scored. If he catches that ball the games over at half. Not to mention him falling down on the wide open punt return for a TD and muffing the onside kick which took a possession away (- points for Denver and + points for SD)

That game would have been a huge blow out if decker didn’t play so poorly.

  1. Against the pats the Broncos took their foot off the gas once they built their lead and decided to get the run game going to eat up clock. They could easily have put up more points if they wanted to keep throwing but they decided to eat up clock. I don’t think the Broncos will be able to do that against Seattle since their run D is so stout and that means Manning will keep throwing.

Those are my reasons why.[/quote]

I think if Manning slings it around against Seattle he’s gonna cough it up a few time. If he doesn’t, more power to him, but the more he opens it up the more risk of a pic.

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I think Denver wins, sure, but by 10? Or putting up 31 on that D? That I’m not on board with.

Seattle has more talent in their D-Backfield than the Pats have had collectively in the last 10 years… I can’t honestly sit here and think that they will suddenly convert all those field goals into 7 on a defense that is exponentially better than the one they dominated yesterday.

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
To Gregron, you would be picking Denver by 10 over SF if Kap scores and wins last night? [/quote]
Nope lol

The reasons I like Denver over Seattle wouldn’t apply to the Niners in that scenario.

Hypothetically speaking of course, if Kap completes that pass to win it you have the best D left in the playoffs coupled with an EXPLOSIVE offense! And offense that couldn’t be stopped by the best D in the game. A team who had gone on the road in 3 extremely hostile environments and beat everyone they faced. It would be the hottest team in the league playing in Back to Back superbowls and on a 9 game win streak. The reasons I like Denver wouldn’t apply.

The reason I don’t think Seattle will win is because they needed homefield advantage to get to the superbowl (IMO) their offense has been struggling terribly lately. They don’t have a lot of experience… All of which wouldn’t apply to a hypothetical Niners team who completed that last pass.

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
This loss is oddly not that tough to handle for me. I thought for sure that if the Niners lost, I would be in a completely morose, suicidal state, much like I was after the 1992 and 1993 Championship Games. I hate the Seahawks, but I suppose there is some sort of inner solace I was unaware of that I have developed during the slow maturation process I’ve gone through since I was 13.

I think the major factor is the whole Richard Sherman thing. When you’re as diehard a Niners fan as I am, it’s tough to watch your team lose in the Championship Game for the ninth fucking time, seventh in my lifetime. But then you watch a classless fucking punk like Richard Sherman and it makes you appreciate the fact that you’re lucky enough to root for a high-class organization like the San Francisco 49ers. It’s not much solace, but it’s some. I fucking hated Barry Bonds’ guts and never quite reconciled the piece of shit he was with the fact that he played on my favorite team.

Although they’re classless for completely different reasons, they’re still both egregiously disrespectful of the game and the athletes that came before them. I know exactly how many Seattle fans feel today, ecstatic that their team is successful, and yet, also in possession of the sort of deep-seated, inner conflict that can only arise from knowing that you essentially HAVE to root for a guy who you know you wouldn’t piss on to put out a fire if he played for anyone else. It’s how I felt about Bonds, and, to a lesser extent, how I felt about Terrell Owens.

So, Seattle, if you win in two weeks, welcome to the club. Four more and you stand eye-to-eye with the 49ers in terms of championships. But to paraphrase Winston Churchill, someday the 49ers will be World Champions once again, but Richard Sherman and the rest of the Seahawks will still be without class.[/quote]

I’m glad you can find some solace in such a devastating loss. You also forgot to mention that a win would have given Kap ungodly leverage in salary negotiations. Now they can tell him, “why should we pay you real money when you can’t win in Seattle.” So that’s a plus as well.

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You know, I never even thought of that. All of a sudden, I’m awash with inner peace. If the Niners are smart, they’ll start negotiations for a new contract as soon as the Super Bowl is over. And they’ll start off the process by showing him a tape of that fucking abominable pick he threw to Chancellor last night. This loss could save the Niners as much as 5 or 6 million a year for the next 5-7 years.

Combine that with the fact that they have 12 or 13 picks in the upcoming draft, including six in the first three rounds, and they’ll be right back in the hunt again next year. People keep saying their window is closing fast, but the way I look at it, their window will only continue to open wider. They’ll have Tank Carradine on the D-line next year ( a legit top-10 pick before a torn ACL that he has more than recovered from), Lattimore carrying the ball, they’ll probably trade up in the draft to grab Mike Evans (who I absolutely love and could envision him and Kaepernick shutting up that clown, Sherman) and their defense will continue to play solid while their offense continues to evolve while getting younger and more explosive.

The Seahawks, on the other hand, aren’t looking so rosy. They’re already blowing big money on a guy who most likely never play more than a couple games for them (Harvin), they’re going to have to start paying a lot of big-time players who are still on rookie contracts (unlike the Niners) and next year everyone will be hunting for them. Sherman is about one more childish press conference from getting crack blocked right onto IR, and they’re still in fucking Seattle, which is a loser town. At least when the Niners lose I can just pop in old DVDs of their Super Bowl victories. What do they do up in Seattle if the 'Gulls lose? Cry in their espresso, call SF a bunch of fags (even though they’re too stupid to realize that the percentage of people who are gay is about twice as high in Seattle as it is in SF), and tell themselves they’ll always have 1979.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
This loss is oddly not that tough to handle for me.
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I am surprisingly with you on this one. Maybe it’s because of how the last two seasons ended but 10 minutes after the game I was like “Meh, there’s always next year.”

Anyway, that was a really good game and as a football fan above all else I was happy to see a great game between two great teams that came down to the last play. Same thing in the superbowl last year.

I love Carroll from his USC days and am very happy for him. I really like Wilson and think he is a true class act. I have tons of friends and family in Seattle and am happy for them. The only thing I really can’t stand is Sherman lol. Ever since his Skip Bayless interview I thought he was genuinely a bad person. Heck or a football player but a legitimate POS. That post game interview just reaffirmed it and he is the sole reason that I cannot ever root for Seattle.

With all that being said I would put my money on Denver. They are playing much better as a team and I think Seattle has no shot of winning away or on a neutral field. I think if either of their playoff games this year were away they would have lost both. That’s why homefield advantage is so important but playing the Super Bowl in a stadium other than the Link will be tough for them.

Denver played amazing on Sunday. Even though they struggled against the Chargers, Manning was ON! He has been so dialed in during the playoffs that it’s been ridiculous. He had a ton of drops against SD otherwise that would have been a blowout too. I think this is Mannings year and that he will carve up seattles D. He is just playing on another level this year.

Unless Seattle can find the offense that has been missing for the past 2+ months then I don’t give them a shot. They aren’t going to beat Manning playing the way they have been so far.

I expect it to be a good competitive game but I think Denver just has too many weapons.

31-20 Denver[/quote]

Seattle isn’t capable of putting up more than 20 points against anyone outside of Seattle, given the way their offense has looked recently. Peyton could put 20 on the board in his sleep. The whole thing about the weather and Manning is totally overblown. His record in cold weather games isn’t that great, but most of them were against the Patriots in Foxboro when they still had an elite defense. It is much tougher to outduel Brady in his prime on the road than it is to beat a mediocre QB like Wilson on a neutral field.

And there won’t be that many Seattle fans at the game, anyways. That whole 12th Man thing is a complete fraud. Every time they showed the crowd you could clearly see tons of Niners fans in the stands. You NEVER see that kind of shit at a Niners playoff game. When I was at the last game at Candlestick I literally did not see ONE SINGLE FALCONS FAN in the entire stadium. I saw one in the parking lot and I saw one on the escalator, and that’s it. That’s how it is at all their playoff games. Every now and then there will be a large contingency of visiting fans at some of their September and October games, but not at playoff games. Seattle’s fans simply aren’t on the same level as Niners fans are. They’ve never seen greatness, they need the modern wonders of acoustic architecture to sound loud, and they’ll all disappear once the Seahawks suck again.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
To Gregron, you would be picking Denver by 10 over SF if Kap scores and wins last night? [/quote]
Nope lol

The reasons I like Denver of SF don’t apply to the Niners.

Hypothetically speaking of course, if Kap completes that pass to win it you have the best D left in the playoffs coupled with an EXPLOSIVE offense! And offense that couldn’t be stopped by the best D in the game. A team who had gone on the road in 3 extremely hostile environments and beat everyone they faced. It would be the hottest team in the league playing in Back to Back superbowls and on a 9 game win streak. The reasons I like Denver wouldn’t apply.

The reason I don’t think Seattle will win is because they needed homefield advantage to get to the superbowl (IMO) their offense has been struggling terribly lately. They don’t have a lot of experience… All of which wouldn’t apply to a hypothetical Niners team who completed that last pass.[/quote]

You just confirmed you are full of shit. SF barely eked out a win against Seattle at home. They are two very evenly matched teams with similar strengths and weaknesses. Seattle is just a bit better in a few key areas.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
This loss is oddly not that tough to handle for me. I thought for sure that if the Niners lost, I would be in a completely morose, suicidal state, much like I was after the 1992 and 1993 Championship Games. I hate the Seahawks, but I suppose there is some sort of inner solace I was unaware of that I have developed during the slow maturation process I’ve gone through since I was 13.

I think the major factor is the whole Richard Sherman thing. When you’re as diehard a Niners fan as I am, it’s tough to watch your team lose in the Championship Game for the ninth fucking time, seventh in my lifetime. But then you watch a classless fucking punk like Richard Sherman and it makes you appreciate the fact that you’re lucky enough to root for a high-class organization like the San Francisco 49ers. It’s not much solace, but it’s some. I fucking hated Barry Bonds’ guts and never quite reconciled the piece of shit he was with the fact that he played on my favorite team.

Although they’re classless for completely different reasons, they’re still both egregiously disrespectful of the game and the athletes that came before them. I know exactly how many Seattle fans feel today, ecstatic that their team is successful, and yet, also in possession of the sort of deep-seated, inner conflict that can only arise from knowing that you essentially HAVE to root for a guy who you know you wouldn’t piss on to put out a fire if he played for anyone else. It’s how I felt about Bonds, and, to a lesser extent, how I felt about Terrell Owens.

So, Seattle, if you win in two weeks, welcome to the club. Four more and you stand eye-to-eye with the 49ers in terms of championships. But to paraphrase Winston Churchill, someday the 49ers will be World Champions once again, but Richard Sherman and the rest of the Seahawks will still be without class.[/quote]

I’m glad you can find some solace in such a devastating loss. You also forgot to mention that a win would have given Kap ungodly leverage in salary negotiations. Now they can tell him, “why should we pay you real money when you can’t win in Seattle.” So that’s a plus as well.

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You know, I never even thought of that. All of a sudden, I’m awash with inner peace. If the Niners are smart, they’ll start negotiations for a new contract as soon as the Super Bowl is over. And they’ll start off the process by showing him a tape of that fucking abominable pick he threw to Chancellor last night. This loss could save the Niners as much as 5 or 6 million a year for the next 5-7 years.

Combine that with the fact that they have 12 or 13 picks in the upcoming draft, including six in the first three rounds, and they’ll be right back in the hunt again next year. People keep saying their window is closing fast, but the way I look at it, their window will only continue to open wider. They’ll have Tank Carradine on the D-line next year ( a legit top-10 pick before a torn ACL that he has more than recovered from), Lattimore carrying the ball, they’ll probably trade up in the draft to grab Mike Evans (who I absolutely love and could envision him and Kaepernick shutting up that clown, Sherman) and their defense will continue to play solid while their offense continues to evolve while getting younger and more explosive.

The Seahawks, on the other hand, aren’t looking so rosy. They’re already blowing big money on a guy who most likely never play more than a couple games for them (Harvin), they’re going to have to start paying a lot of big-time players who are still on rookie contracts (unlike the Niners) and next year everyone will be hunting for them. Sherman is about one more childish press conference from getting crack blocked right onto IR, and they’re still in fucking Seattle, which is a loser town. At least when the Niners lose I can just pop in old DVDs of their Super Bowl victories. What do they do up in Seattle if the 'Gulls lose? Cry in their espresso, call SF a bunch of fags (even though they’re too stupid to realize that the percentage of people who are gay is about twice as high in Seattle as it is in SF), and tell themselves they’ll always have 1979.[/quote]

That’s the spirit DB! Keep a stiff upper lip.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I think Denver wins, sure, but by 10? Or putting up 31 on that D? That I’m not on board with.

Seattle has more talent in their D-Backfield than the Pats have had collectively in the last 10 years… I can’t honestly sit here and think that they will suddenly convert all those field goals into 7 on a defense that is exponentially better than the one they dominated yesterday.[/quote]

Fuck, finally a voice of reason. I think this is a tough game to call, but 31 points? Good fucking luck with that, especially if the weather is bad.

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I think Denver wins, sure, but by 10? Or putting up 31 on that D? That I’m not on board with.

Seattle has more talent in their D-Backfield than the Pats have had collectively in the last 10 years… I can’t honestly sit here and think that they will suddenly convert all those field goals into 7 on a defense that is exponentially better than the one they dominated yesterday.[/quote]

Fuck, finally a voice of reason. I think this is a tough game to call, but 31 points? Good fucking luck with that, especially if the weather is bad. [/quote]

I think it’ll be more like last night’s game. Denver 24, Seattle 17

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Denver wins, for a few reasons.

  1. Manning is too good, and unless you get a good pass rush on him, he will drop bombs all day on a defense. He is a scholar on the field, and I have no doubt that he is looking at game film as I type this shit right now.

  2. Seattle will not have their 12th man in the SuperBowl, which was key in their win yesterday. Since the game is in Joisey, I don’t see there being a home field advantage for either.

  3. Having been a former lineman myself, he who owns the line of scrimmage wins. Denver’s O-line blew the Pat defensive front off the ball, which is something I did not notice as much with the Seattle offensive line.

For Seattle to win, they need a flawless game, and perhaps a few slip-ups from Denver. They need to rattle Manning, he cannot have an A-game on Superbowl Sunday.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I think Denver wins, sure, but by 10? Or putting up 31 on that D? That I’m not on board with.

Seattle has more talent in their D-Backfield than the Pats have had collectively in the last 10 years… I can’t honestly sit here and think that they will suddenly convert all those field goals into 7 on a defense that is exponentially better than the one they dominated yesterday.[/quote]

Fuck, finally a voice of reason. I think this is a tough game to call, but 31 points? Good fucking luck with that, especially if the weather is bad. [/quote]

I think it’ll be more like last night’s game. Denver 24, Seattle 17[/quote]

YEah, I think you are more correct than Greg, either 24-17 or 24-7, something like that.

I don’t think Denver scores more than 24 unless Seattle beats themselves by being overtaken by the moment. I’m thinking 20-23 points, and Manning is a bit more uncomfortable than he was yesterday.

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Crybaby Belichick whining about Welker (big guy LOL) taking out Talib (little guy LOLLL).

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24414694/belichick-on-wes-welker-it-was-a-deliberate-play-to-take-out-aqib

“…one of the worst plays I’ve seen.”!!! LMAO -that play would’ve barely been a blip in the SF-Seattle game.

Now that Brady’s long ball accuracy is clearly continuing it’s decline (started with that Welker pass vs. Giants in SB loss imo), Belichick better ride off into the sunset to spend more time with his family (oh, wait…) before he pulls a Shanahan…well, ok maybe not that bad!

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[quote]punnyguy wrote:
Crybaby Belichick whining about Welker (big guy LOL) taking out Talib (little guy LOLLL).

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24414694/belichick-on-wes-welker-it-was-a-deliberate-play-to-take-out-aqib

“…one of the worst plays I’ve seen.”!!! LMAO -that play would’ve barely been a blip in the SF-Seattle game.

Now that Brady’s long ball accuracy is clearly continuing it’s decline (started with that Welker pass vs. Giants in SB loss imo), Belichick better ride off into the sunset to spend more time with his family (oh, wait…) before he pulls a Shanahan…well, ok maybe not that bad![/quote]

yawn…

I guess 5 rings make people jealous.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]punnyguy wrote:
Crybaby Belichick whining about Welker (big guy LOL) taking out Talib (little guy LOLLL).

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24414694/belichick-on-wes-welker-it-was-a-deliberate-play-to-take-out-aqib

“…one of the worst plays I’ve seen.”!!! LMAO -that play would’ve barely been a blip in the SF-Seattle game.

Now that Brady’s long ball accuracy is clearly continuing it’s decline (started with that Welker pass vs. Giants in SB loss imo), Belichick better ride off into the sunset to spend more time with his family (oh, wait…) before he pulls a Shanahan…well, ok maybe not that bad![/quote]

yawn…

I guess 5 rings make people jealous.
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Typical delusional Patriots fan.

Uh, that’s 5 appearances, only 3 rings. One loss with a clearly superior teams vs. Giants, another loss with an equal Giants team due to Brady errant pass to Welker vs. Eli Manning laser strike to Manningham. For the record.

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[quote]punnyguy wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]punnyguy wrote:
Crybaby Belichick whining about Welker (big guy LOL) taking out Talib (little guy LOLLL).

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24414694/belichick-on-wes-welker-it-was-a-deliberate-play-to-take-out-aqib

“…one of the worst plays I’ve seen.”!!! LMAO -that play would’ve barely been a blip in the SF-Seattle game.

Now that Brady’s long ball accuracy is clearly continuing it’s decline (started with that Welker pass vs. Giants in SB loss imo), Belichick better ride off into the sunset to spend more time with his family (oh, wait…) before he pulls a Shanahan…well, ok maybe not that bad![/quote]

yawn…

I guess 5 rings make people jealous.
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Typical delusional Patriots fan.

Uh, that’s 5 appearances, only 3 rings. One loss with a clearly superior team vs. Giants (due to questionable coaching decisions), another loss with an equal Giants team due to Brady errant pass to Welker vs. Eli Manning laser strike to Manningham. For the record.
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Uh, I guess you don’t know shit about Belichick then. He won two rings with the Giants in 1986 and 1990. I hate the guy’s guts like everyone else, but he is literally the only defensive coordinator who could ever slow down Joe Montana with any regularity. When Montana was putting up record performances in the late 80’s, he was still only managing something like 7 points a game against Belichick-led defenses.

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[quote]punnyguy wrote:
For the record.
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For the record you haven’t a clue as to what you’re talking about.

The man has 5 rings on his mantel at home. This is a fact. You might want to, you know, have a clue as to what you’re talking about before you drone on and on like so many other pocket book fans who just can’t get over the fact the Pats have had a good run the last decade.

Enjoy it.

As for delusional Pats fan, again, you have no idea what you’re talking about, lol. And many people that actually post in this thread, beyond the lame trolling you have today, can vouch for this.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]punnyguy wrote:
For the record.
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For the record you haven’t a clue as to what you’re talking about.

The man has 5 rings on his mantel at home. This is a fact. You might want to, you know, have a clue as to what you’re talking about before you drone on and on like so many other pocket book fans who just can’t get over the fact the Pats have had a good run the last decade.

Enjoy it.

As for delusional Pats fan, again, you have no idea what you’re talking about, lol. And many people that actually post in this thread, beyond the lame trolling you have today, can vouch for this. [/quote]

I’m a Giants fan, how can I be jealous? I’m more of a “what’s the big deal” camp.

Yes, I’ve read all your many posts. You’re always the smartest guy in the room. Sure, ok.