NFL 2013 Part 2

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:

[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
I want to comment on what I think was the first outright blatant game fixing I have seen. I think JAX actually had the potential to win against DEN but I whole-heartedly believe that there was something fishy going on. I can’t find a clip but if anyone saw during the game, Manning threw a short pass to I believe J. Thomas. A jags defender came up right behind him to the point that a tackle would have been EASY. Instead, he made absolutely no move to tackle and just backed off allowing for a 1st down. It was downright obvious that he had no intention of making that tackle.

Someone got the call that DEN is the NFL’s baby and they weren’t allowed to lose to likes of jacksonville.

I lost my tin foil hat somewhere in all the commotion last night too…[/quote]

Lol, just one of many fixed games. Do you actually think the 07 NE Patriots could lose to the 07 Giants in the biggest game of every single players life?
Go back and look at the highlights/replays. Brady threw Moss a td pass in the endzone that Moss didn’t even put his hands out to catch…and the tyree reception made the above posters picture of the “blown call” look like a good play.[/quote]

People are going to think some shit is fixed by the refs/behind the scenes, I get that(although I don’t agree with it at all). However, thinking that the players are in on it? That is some next level conspiracy theory shit going on. There is no fucking way players are in on a grand scheme of fixing games. MAYBE there is an absolutely tiny portion of individual players that have attempted to fix a game on their own for betting, maybe.[/quote]

Anytime there is money and gambling involved, there’s a risk of fixing and player involvement with fixing. I suspect the modern NFL does a pretty good job keeping the game clean but there is absolutely no way to guarantee it.

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Lol, sorry no way in Hell with today’s society could something like this be kept a secret.

Its fucking football players, not Mensa members. [/quote]

Ya, just ask Lance Armstrong. Hehe.

For the record, I don’t suspect large scale cheating or fixing, but small scale shaving or fixing wouldn’t surprise me at all if discovered. Its just not that hard to blackmail someone who is in a position to be blackmailed.

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Yea, but look at the Saints. Too many ways to get this out today for something like this to happen.

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Large scale cheating and fixing is involved in all sports. These are BILLION dollar businesses. To the fans it’s entertainment and a game but it really is a business.

Just like shady as hell things go in with billion dollar corporations (insider trading and all that) the same thing is happening with pro sports. The league and owners want compelling story lines and high scoring games to draw in casual fans. The networks want those same things so they have stuff to talk about. More stuff to talk about = more viewers = more people watching commercials = they can charge more for the add time. The companies who pay to have their commercials shown during games want the same hings so that their products are getting out to more potential consumers.

If you think all of those entities combined can’t/don’t sway games/plays/seasons you are pretty naive.

Just look at the Saints finally becoming good and winning the Super Bowl after Katrina? The Giants upsetting the perfect season patriots? The lakers beating the Kings in that '01 series (I believe)

It is DEFINITELY out there. Definitely. It’s not a game, it’s a business. People will do anything when billions of dollars are on the line.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
Large scale cheating and fixing is involved in all sports. These are BILLION dollar businesses. To the fans it’s entertainment and a game but it really is a business.

Just like shady as hell things go in with billion dollar corporations (insider trading and all that) the same thing is happening with pro sports. The league and owners want compelling story lines and high scoring games to draw in casual fans. The networks want those same things so they have stuff to talk about. More stuff to talk about = more viewers = more people watching commercials = they can charge more for the add time. The companies who pay to have their commercials shown during games want the same hings so that their products are getting out to more potential consumers.

If you think all of those entities combined can’t/don’t sway games/plays/seasons you are pretty naive.

Just look at the Saints finally becoming good and winning the Super Bowl after Katrina? The Giants upsetting the perfect season patriots? The lakers beating the Kings in that '01 series (I believe)

It is DEFINITELY out there. Definitely. It’s not a game, it’s a business. People will do anything when billions of dollars are on the line.[/quote]
Could an individual do something? Yes
Could it be wide spread without being leaked? No way

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Large scale cheating and fixing is involved in all sports. These are BILLION dollar businesses. To the fans it’s entertainment and a game but it really is a business.

Just like shady as hell things go in with billion dollar corporations (insider trading and all that) the same thing is happening with pro sports. The league and owners want compelling story lines and high scoring games to draw in casual fans. The networks want those same things so they have stuff to talk about. More stuff to talk about = more viewers = more people watching commercials = they can charge more for the add time. The companies who pay to have their commercials shown during games want the same hings so that their products are getting out to more potential consumers.

If you think all of those entities combined can’t/don’t sway games/plays/seasons you are pretty naive.

Just look at the Saints finally becoming good and winning the Super Bowl after Katrina? The Giants upsetting the perfect season patriots? The lakers beating the Kings in that '01 series (I believe)

It is DEFINITELY out there. Definitely. It’s not a game, it’s a business. People will do anything when billions of dollars are on the line.[/quote]
Could an individual do something? Yes
Could it be wide spread without being leaked? No way
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You never know.

AAS use in college football, the NFL and olympics but its rarely reported.

Improper benifits is rampant in college football but hardly ever brought forward.

You don’t hear about tons of shady business stuff happening with Wall Street all the time do you?

Lets not even get into what the government covers up.

It’s just not leaked… Until it is.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Large scale cheating and fixing is involved in all sports. These are BILLION dollar businesses. To the fans it’s entertainment and a game but it really is a business.

Just like shady as hell things go in with billion dollar corporations (insider trading and all that) the same thing is happening with pro sports. The league and owners want compelling story lines and high scoring games to draw in casual fans. The networks want those same things so they have stuff to talk about. More stuff to talk about = more viewers = more people watching commercials = they can charge more for the add time. The companies who pay to have their commercials shown during games want the same hings so that their products are getting out to more potential consumers.

If you think all of those entities combined can’t/don’t sway games/plays/seasons you are pretty naive.

Just look at the Saints finally becoming good and winning the Super Bowl after Katrina? The Giants upsetting the perfect season patriots? The lakers beating the Kings in that '01 series (I believe)

It is DEFINITELY out there. Definitely. It’s not a game, it’s a business. People will do anything when billions of dollars are on the line.[/quote]
Could an individual do something? Yes
Could it be wide spread without being leaked? No way
[/quote]
You never know.

AAS use in college football, the NFL and olympics but its rarely reported.

Improper benifits is rampant in college football but hardly ever brought forward.

You don’t hear about tons of shady business stuff happening with Wall Street all the time do you?

Lets not even get into what the government covers up.

It’s just not leaked… Until it is.[/quote]
I dont know Greg, I just dont have that much faith that people can keep their mouth shut.

Things will come out eventually. I still think its more Individuals than “conspiracy”

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Large scale cheating and fixing is involved in all sports. These are BILLION dollar businesses. To the fans it’s entertainment and a game but it really is a business.

Just like shady as hell things go in with billion dollar corporations (insider trading and all that) the same thing is happening with pro sports. The league and owners want compelling story lines and high scoring games to draw in casual fans. The networks want those same things so they have stuff to talk about. More stuff to talk about = more viewers = more people watching commercials = they can charge more for the add time. The companies who pay to have their commercials shown during games want the same hings so that their products are getting out to more potential consumers.

If you think all of those entities combined can’t/don’t sway games/plays/seasons you are pretty naive.

Just look at the Saints finally becoming good and winning the Super Bowl after Katrina? The Giants upsetting the perfect season patriots? The lakers beating the Kings in that '01 series (I believe)

It is DEFINITELY out there. Definitely. It’s not a game, it’s a business. People will do anything when billions of dollars are on the line.[/quote]
Could an individual do something? Yes
Could it be wide spread without being leaked? No way
[/quote]
You never know.

AAS use in college football, the NFL and olympics but its rarely reported.

Improper benifits is rampant in college football but hardly ever brought forward.

You don’t hear about tons of shady business stuff happening with Wall Street all the time do you?

Lets not even get into what the government covers up.

It’s just not leaked… Until it is.[/quote]
I dont know Greg, I just dont have that much faith that people can keep their mouth shut.

Things will come out eventually. I still think its more Individuals than “conspiracy” [/quote]
Individuals… AKA “fall guys” lol

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Large scale cheating and fixing is involved in all sports. These are BILLION dollar businesses. To the fans it’s entertainment and a game but it really is a business.

Just like shady as hell things go in with billion dollar corporations (insider trading and all that) the same thing is happening with pro sports. The league and owners want compelling story lines and high scoring games to draw in casual fans. The networks want those same things so they have stuff to talk about. More stuff to talk about = more viewers = more people watching commercials = they can charge more for the add time. The companies who pay to have their commercials shown during games want the same hings so that their products are getting out to more potential consumers.

If you think all of those entities combined can’t/don’t sway games/plays/seasons you are pretty naive.

Just look at the Saints finally becoming good and winning the Super Bowl after Katrina? The Giants upsetting the perfect season patriots? The lakers beating the Kings in that '01 series (I believe)

It is DEFINITELY out there. Definitely. It’s not a game, it’s a business. People will do anything when billions of dollars are on the line.[/quote]
Could an individual do something? Yes
Could it be wide spread without being leaked? No way
[/quote]
You never know.

AAS use in college football, the NFL and olympics but its rarely reported.

Improper benifits is rampant in college football but hardly ever brought forward.

You don’t hear about tons of shady business stuff happening with Wall Street all the time do you?

Lets not even get into what the government covers up.

It’s just not leaked… Until it is.[/quote]
I dont know Greg, I just dont have that much faith that people can keep their mouth shut.

Things will come out eventually. I still think its more Individuals than “conspiracy” [/quote]
Individuals… AKA “fall guys” lol[/quote]
:slight_smile:

I think the Saints escape is a good example, in my eyes the NFL is looking to keep that Brand untarnished. Goodell gets a lot of shit, but he brought down the hammer of Thor to show that some shit will not be accepted.

NCCA sucks donkey balls

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Large scale cheating and fixing is involved in all sports. These are BILLION dollar businesses. To the fans it’s entertainment and a game but it really is a business.

Just like shady as hell things go in with billion dollar corporations (insider trading and all that) the same thing is happening with pro sports. The league and owners want compelling story lines and high scoring games to draw in casual fans. The networks want those same things so they have stuff to talk about. More stuff to talk about = more viewers = more people watching commercials = they can charge more for the add time. The companies who pay to have their commercials shown during games want the same hings so that their products are getting out to more potential consumers.

If you think all of those entities combined can’t/don’t sway games/plays/seasons you are pretty naive.

Just look at the Saints finally becoming good and winning the Super Bowl after Katrina? The Giants upsetting the perfect season patriots? The lakers beating the Kings in that '01 series (I believe)

It is DEFINITELY out there. Definitely. It’s not a game, it’s a business. People will do anything when billions of dollars are on the line.[/quote]
Could an individual do something? Yes
Could it be wide spread without being leaked? No way
[/quote]
You never know.

AAS use in college football, the NFL and olympics but its rarely reported.

Improper benifits is rampant in college football but hardly ever brought forward.

You don’t hear about tons of shady business stuff happening with Wall Street all the time do you?

Lets not even get into what the government covers up.

It’s just not leaked… Until it is.[/quote]

All of those things do get outed though, even if it’s after the fact by some person who decided to not stay quiet.

Is it possible that certain outcomes are ‘favored’ with a healthy push from the mentioned entities? Yea, sure. But to say it is outright FIXED?

I think the vast majority of examples people bring up of shady looking shit is just cognitive bias, you ignore all the stuff that is just downright terrible for the NFL and would never exist/happen in a world where outcomes are fixed. The fucking Cowboys have been a non-factor team since the mid 90s, and you think games are fixed?

The NFL couldn’t keep its former/current players from suing it for billions of dollars or going on strike, but you think they are capable of keeping EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM hush hush about the league itself being scripted(and cooperating with it as well).

Let me guess, you don’t think Neil Armstrong was the first man on the moon either?

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[quote]gregron wrote:
Just look at the Saints finally becoming good and winning the Super Bowl after Katrina? The Giants upsetting the perfect season patriots? The lakers beating the Kings in that '01 series (I believe)[/quote]

While it almost certainly still happens in pro hoops, it can’t be extended to football. (imo)

The fact that its 11-on-11, and that u have to “sell out” on every single play, the extensive rules for replay and coachhes challenges… none of this is compatible with pre-ordained outcomes.

-edited-

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Large scale cheating and fixing is involved in all sports. These are BILLION dollar businesses. To the fans it’s entertainment and a game but it really is a business.

Just like shady as hell things go in with billion dollar corporations (insider trading and all that) the same thing is happening with pro sports. The league and owners want compelling story lines and high scoring games to draw in casual fans. The networks want those same things so they have stuff to talk about. More stuff to talk about = more viewers = more people watching commercials = they can charge more for the add time. The companies who pay to have their commercials shown during games want the same hings so that their products are getting out to more potential consumers.

If you think all of those entities combined can’t/don’t sway games/plays/seasons you are pretty naive.

Just look at the Saints finally becoming good and winning the Super Bowl after Katrina? The Giants upsetting the perfect season patriots? The lakers beating the Kings in that '01 series (I believe)

It is DEFINITELY out there. Definitely. It’s not a game, it’s a business. People will do anything when billions of dollars are on the line.[/quote]
Could an individual do something? Yes

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Like say Neil O’Donnell playing catch with Larry Brown in SB XXX? j/k of course but i remember watching that one thinking wtf is going on here.

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I’m not saying pro sports is like WWE but if you don’t think that the people running these leagues don’t have a hand in the pot making things happen then that’s your opinion.

Ignorance is bliss.

What exactly is the NFL paying Goodell $32 Million a year for? To hand out fines for hard hits and keep guys away from the quarterback?

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[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Just look at the Saints finally becoming good and winning the Super Bowl after Katrina? The Giants upsetting the perfect season patriots? The lakers beating the Kings in that '01 series (I believe)[/quote]

While it almost certainly still happens in pro hoops, it can’t be extended to football. (imo)

The fact that its 11-on-11, and that u have to “sell out” on every single play, the extensive rules for replay and coachhes challenges… none of this is compatible with pre-ordained outcomes.

-edited-[/quote]
I agree it’s more widespread in basketball and probably easier to accomplish… But why not?

One PI call, holding or block in the back penalty can completely change the outcome of an otherwise close game.

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At what point in time do you think it became rigged?

Did Ronnie Lott chop off his finger to ensure the 49ers covered the spread?

Did Butkus bite people to prevent them from messing up the over/under?

And why do people play with concussions when the outcome is already predetermined?

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Like I said, it’s not WWE but all it takes is a call here or there to send the right team on the right path to the Super Bowl/Finals/World Series.

If you want to believe that the people running a multi billion dollar business are 100% on the up and up then go right ahead.

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Looks like the NFL isn’t the only sport crossing the Atlantic these days. This will be on the day before the USC Notre Dame match in the Lacrosse stadium. It’ll be a nine a side version of the full game with a selection of players from all over Ireland. Not sure if any of you guys live around there or maybe have family. If so I would highly recommend going along. Greatest sport in the world. Its amateur as well so you know its not corrupt :wink:

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The guys fixing the games, they’re the same guys tucking loaded 9mm in their sweat pants and shooting themselves, right. These are the guys fixing games???

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denied

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Am I crazy to like Phillip Rivers?

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[quote]Totenkopf wrote:
Am I crazy to like Phillip Rivers?[/quote]

He played well. The Colts offense was terrible. It’s weird how they could be so good a week ago and look so flat this week. The dropped passes were painful.

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[quote]js252 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Large scale cheating and fixing is involved in all sports. These are BILLION dollar businesses. To the fans it’s entertainment and a game but it really is a business.

Just like shady as hell things go in with billion dollar corporations (insider trading and all that) the same thing is happening with pro sports. The league and owners want compelling story lines and high scoring games to draw in casual fans. The networks want those same things so they have stuff to talk about. More stuff to talk about = more viewers = more people watching commercials = they can charge more for the add time. The companies who pay to have their commercials shown during games want the same hings so that their products are getting out to more potential consumers.

If you think all of those entities combined can’t/don’t sway games/plays/seasons you are pretty naive.

Just look at the Saints finally becoming good and winning the Super Bowl after Katrina? The Giants upsetting the perfect season patriots? The lakers beating the Kings in that '01 series (I believe)

It is DEFINITELY out there. Definitely. It’s not a game, it’s a business. People will do anything when billions of dollars are on the line.[/quote]
Could an individual do something? Yes

[/quote]

Like say Neil O’Donnell playing catch with Larry Brown in SB XXX? j/k of course but i remember watching that one thinking wtf is going on here.[/quote]

I remember watching that and wanting to burn down O’Donnell’s house…with him in it.