NFL 2012

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]bond james bond wrote:
DC in Philly fired. Reid probably retires at end of season.

Norv Turner and GM Smith probably both gone after the season in San Diego.

My money says Cower takes one of those spot as HC.

Lewis comes back for another season too.

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Cower is done, he’ll be pushing pencils for the rest of his career. Now Gruden, that’s a different story.[/quote]

Gruden, while on the air last night, said "man that’s a tough call, now YOU know why I’M not doing this anymore hahahahaaa…

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]bond james bond wrote:
DC in Philly fired. Reid probably retires at end of season.

Norv Turner and GM Smith probably both gone after the season in San Diego.

My money says Cower takes one of those spot as HC.

Lewis comes back for another season too.

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Cower is done, he’ll be pushing pencils for the rest of his career. Now Gruden, that’s a different story.[/quote]

Gruden, while on the air last night, said "man that’s a tough call, now YOU know why I’M not doing this anymore hahahahaaa…[/quote]

HaHaha I misssed that!

New owner for the Browns, kinda pumped to have an owner actually show up, talk to players, and have a proper owner at the top.

Not that Randy Lerner was bad, he just out sourced way too much.

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]bond james bond wrote:
DC in Philly fired. Reid probably retires at end of season.

Norv Turner and GM Smith probably both gone after the season in San Diego.

My money says Cower takes one of those spot as HC.

Lewis comes back for another season too.

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Cower is done, he’ll be pushing pencils for the rest of his career. Now Gruden, that’s a different story.[/quote]
I doubt Gruden comes back anytime soon. He seems to enjoy his job on MNF and I know he just signed a contract for another 3 years or so to be on the air.

Chargers need someone like Jim Harbaugh to come in and change the whole atmosphere. The team just wreaks of suck.

I’d give my shriveled left nut to get The Chin in Dallas next year.

[quote]doogie wrote:
I’d give my shriveled left nut to get The Chin in Dallas next year.[/quote]
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New ESPN power rankings are out. Gotta love how the Giants move up 4 spots because of their win even though they lost to the Cowboys (2-3) and Eagles (3-3). Who have they beaten; Tampa Bay (2-3), Carolina (1-4), and San Fran (4-2).

One team over .500 and they’re #3, what a joke.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings/_/year/2012/week/7

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
New ESPN power rankings are out. Gotta love how the Giants move up 4 spots because of their win even though they lost to the Cowboys (2-3) and Eagles (3-3). Who have they beaten; Tampa Bay (2-3), Carolina (1-4), and San Fran (4-2).

One team over .500 and they’re #3, what a joke.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings/_/year/2012/week/7[/quote]
I like their ranking. I know Alex Smith is Alex Smith but the n9ners are good fucking team. The fact the Giants completely man handled them (without a healthy Nicks) says a lot. And the Eagles are a Superbowl team [imo] if Vick doesn’t turn it over (which he didn’t in that Giants game).

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
New ESPN power rankings are out. Gotta love how the Giants move up 4 spots because of their win even though they lost to the Cowboys (2-3) and Eagles (3-3). Who have they beaten; Tampa Bay (2-3), Carolina (1-4), and San Fran (4-2).

One team over .500 and they’re #3, what a joke.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings/_/year/2012/week/7[/quote]
Who really cares about power rankings?

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
New ESPN power rankings are out. Gotta love how the Giants move up 4 spots because of their win even though they lost to the Cowboys (2-3) and Eagles (3-3). Who have they beaten; Tampa Bay (2-3), Carolina (1-4), and San Fran (4-2).

One team over .500 and they’re #3, what a joke.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings/_/year/2012/week/7[/quote]
I like their ranking. I know Alex Smith is Alex Smith but the n9ners are good fucking team. The fact the Giants completely man handled them (without a healthy Nicks) says a lot. And the Eagles are a Superbowl team [imo] if Vick doesn’t turn it over (which he didn’t in that Giants game).[/quote]

The Niners are a good team no doubt. My point is I don’t think just because the Giants beat them they should be ranked higher. The Giants are an average team like they were last year. I still wouldn’t want to play them in the SB though.

I have a hard time agreeing about the Eagles. They should be (2-4) and very easily could be (1-5). The Ravens got robbed in the Ravens/Eagles game almost as bad as the Packers/Seahawks.

[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
New ESPN power rankings are out. Gotta love how the Giants move up 4 spots because of their win even though they lost to the Cowboys (2-3) and Eagles (3-3). Who have they beaten; Tampa Bay (2-3), Carolina (1-4), and San Fran (4-2).

One team over .500 and they’re #3, what a joke.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings/_/year/2012/week/7[/quote]
Who really cares about power rankings? [/quote]
They don’t matter, but can be fun to discuss.

Giants are not an average team, they are a very good team, Excellent Receivers, Great QB, Excellent D-line, Solid running game and an offensive line that is very underrated. To call them average is not giving them credit. Not too mention when its all said and done, Tom Coughlin may be a Hall of Fame Coach.

Do they have some weaknesses? Sure, their secondary is questionable as is their run defense, but an average team, that’s not giving them any sort of credit. In fact while I could give a fuck about ESPN and its ranking a number 4 ranking is pretty spot on.

Before this past game Alex Smith wasnt just ALex Smith, he was being talked as an excellent QB, the Giants made him look at other options instead of his first read and that resulted in a shit performance by Alex Smith.

[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
New ESPN power rankings are out. Gotta love how the Giants move up 4 spots because of their win even though they lost to the Cowboys (2-3) and Eagles (3-3). Who have they beaten; Tampa Bay (2-3), Carolina (1-4), and San Fran (4-2).

One team over .500 and they’re #3, what a joke.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/powerrankings/_/year/2012/week/7[/quote]
Who really cares about power rankings? [/quote]

Who really cares about any opinion espin has?

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Giants are not an average team, they are a very good team, Excellent Receivers, Great QB, Excellent D-line, Solid running game and an offensive line that is very underrated. To call them average is not giving them credit. Not too mention when its all said and done, Tom Coughlin may be a Hall of Fame Coach.

Do they have some weaknesses? Sure, their secondary is questionable as is their run defense, but an average team, that’s not giving them any sort of credit. In fact while I could give a fuck about ESPN and its ranking a number 4 ranking is pretty spot on.

Before this past game Alex Smith wasnt just ALex Smith, he was being talked as an excellent QB, the Giants made him look at other options instead of his first read and that resulted in a shit performance by Alex Smith.

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I just don’t agree. They lost to Dallas and Philly. Two below average teams imo. Like I said Philly has been more lucky than good this year and could easily only have 1 win. Dallas has struggled and their loss to Chicago was just ugly. So the Giants lost to a team that got embarrassed by Chicago, but a win against San Fran makes them an above average team? Their other wins are not that impressive either. They have 1 win against over .500 teams.

They have talent, but much like last year they will squeak into the playoffs (maybe) and like last year they win have a legit shot at winning. They are maybe in the top 10 best team in the league, which to me is average, imo.

Philly isnt below Average, they are an underachieving team with a very good amount of talent on their roster. Same goes for Dallas which should have beaten the Ravens. Your line of thinking is devoid of the any given Sunday mantra which is true. The Niners for instance have been the one of the concensus picks to go to the Superbowl yet lost to the Vikings, which should be considered an average team from your line of thinking, does that now make them a below average team?

The pats have a mediocre record, yet I still consider them a very good team, The Packers have a mediocre record do you really consider the Arizona Cardinals a better team then the Packers or Saints for that matter. The Ravens have a stellar record yet in some of those wins they have shown that they may not be as good as their record suggests. The Pats again have the same record as the Dolphins, Bills and Jets…Im a Jet fan FTR there is no way the Pats are in that class of mediocre teams. I look at Talent and its way too early to look at record as the be all end all.

You cannot in one breath call the Giants an average team and in the next breath say they have a legit shot of winning in the playoffs, average teams generally do not win in the playoffs.

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Philly isnt below Average, they are an underachieving team with a very good amount of talent on their roster. Same goes for Dallas which should have beaten the Ravens. Your line of thinking is devoid of the any given Sunday mantra which is true. The Niners for instance have been the one of the concensus picks to go to the Superbowl yet lost to the Vikings, which should be considered an average team from your line of thinking, does that now make them a below average team? [/quote]

So Philly has been an underachieving team for 2 straight years? Doesn’t that make them average? At what point do they stop being underachievers and start being average?

Dallas should not have beaten the Ravens. They COULD have beaten the Ravens, but they didn’t. It isn’t as if a touchdown was taken away from the Cowboys due to a poor call from the officials. They allowed a kick off return for a TD, a TD pass Flacco, and I believe 2 TDs from Rice. They had to score a 2 pt conversion to tie the game and didn’t. They had to kick a field goal to win it, they didn’t.

The Vikings might be a better team thus far than the Giants and maybe the Niners. They beat the Niners (4-2), but are way lower in the rankings. Why didn’t they get the boost the Giants got? They also beat Tennesse (2-4) who has had arguably the hardest schedule thus far having played the Pats, Steelers, Texans, Vikings, Chargers, and Lions. Vikings are too low imo and by my line of thinking they should be higher than the Giants.

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The pats have a mediocre record, yet I still consider them a very good team, The Packers have a mediocre record do you really consider the Arizona Cardinals a better team then the Packers or Saints for that matter. The Ravens have a stellar record yet in some of those wins they have shown that they may not be as good as their record suggests. The Pats again have the same record as the Dolphins, Bills and Jets…Im a Jet fan FTR there is no way the Pats are in that class of mediocre teams. I look at Talent and its way too early to look at record as the be all end all.

You cannot in one breath call the Giants an average team and in the next breath say they have a legit shot of winning in the playoffs, average teams generally do not win in the playoffs.[/quote]

You can very easily call a team mediocre and also say they have a shot. Giants last year barely made the playoffs. That to me is average maybe slightly above average. They got hot and won the SB. Same thing happened with the Packers.

I’m not saying they are a bad team just that they are average.

My line of thinking is that a single win against a quality team has to be weighed against the rest of the season. I’m not a “what have you done for me lately,” kind of fan. I look a the whole body of work.

You are doing the same thing I am. In one breath you are saying the Ravens have a good record, but their play has indicated they may not be as good as their record suggests (I agree), but in the same sentence say the Eagles are a good team (at least 1 of their 3 wins was given to them and the rest have been very very close).

All of this is just my opinion, as the league stands today, it could easily change. I expect to see teams like the Pats come out and have 9-10 wins, while I think Arizona will fall off. Thatâ??s based on history though.

Matty you just described the commisoner’s prime directive. I swear he wants every team to finish 8-8 just to make it “exciting for the kids”.

I personally like to have a dominate team or two every year like GB last year and the Pats of past years to appear unbeatable. I need a team to despise and fear.

Underachieving and Average IMO are not synonymous. I never said the Eagles were a good team, I said they were underachieving talented team.

Ultimately we arguing over semantics. In a league where parody is King right now these kind of arguments will occur as I will concede the difference between good and average is a lot thinner nowadays rather than when there is seasons with decidedly dominant teams. I will also hold to my opinion that the Giants are a top team and there is not 9 teams better than them. I don’t base my opinions on one game either however that kind of victory against the niners and the utter dominance they showed shouldn’t be discounted because it was one game and they lost the first game of the year to the Cowgirls.

[quote]bond james bond wrote:
Matty you just described the commisoner’s prime directive. I swear he wants every team to finish 8-8 just to make it “exciting for the kids”.

I personally like to have a dominate team or two every year like GB last year and the Pats of past years to appear unbeatable. I need a team to despise and fear.

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LOL agreed I love hating teams, it makes sports so much more fun!

[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Underachieving and Average IMO are not synonymous. I never said the Eagles were a good team, I said they were underachieving talented team.

Ultimately we arguing over semantics. In a league where parody is King right now these kind of arguments will occur as I will concede the difference between good and average is a lot thinner nowadays rather than when there is seasons with decidedly dominant teams. I will also hold to my opinion that the Giants are a top team and there is not 9 teams better than them. I don’t base my opinions on one game either however that kind of victory against the niners and the utter dominance they showed shouldn’t be discounted because it was one game and they lost the first game of the year to the Cowgirls.[/quote]

Ya I would agree with that.