NFL 2012 Part 2

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]doogie wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000121923/article/andy-reid-kansas-city-chiefs-reach-agreement[/quote]

Poor Jamal Charles. Reid won’t have a clue what to do with him.[/quote]

Ha ha ha!

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I disagree. Think he’s going to be a stud fantasy-wise, and will see a lot of passes in open space.[/quote]

Oh no doubt he’ll be a stud like B Westbrook and McCoy were, but he’ll also be criminally underused in 3rd-and-short and basically any goal-to-go type situations.

Anyway, back to what’s really going on…

I fully expect HOU to cover the 4.5pts vs CIN today (its 3-0 at the end of 1st quarter) and give them a very real chance at a “upset” win in NE next week.

[quote]chillain wrote:
Anyway, back to what’s really going on…

I fully expect HOU to cover the 4.5pts vs CIN today (its 3-0 at the end of 1st quarter) and give them a very real chance at a “upset” win in NE next week.

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After watching Houston squeak by the Bengals, I think their chances of beating the Pats are very slim. Schaub just isn’t good enough to hang with Brady. Also, the Pats didn’t even have Gronk on the field that game. I say the line starts with Pats by 7 and probably goes up.

[quote]MightyMouse17 wrote:
I really thought the Bears were gonna be awesome this year. Guess I forgot that they didn’t have an o-line…Those can make or break a team. Trust me…I’m a Cowboy fan…lol[/quote]
No way, a good offensive line can make a difference!? Someone should have told that to A.J. Smith years ago.

Happy Houston won, but not expecting them to beat NE (unless they play a lot better, or NE tanks bad). Lots of talk going about the D on NE being weak, but they held us to 14 points last time…

Rodgers is playing like Rodgers and Webb is playing like a QB who hasnt thrown a pass all season. Without their passing game, the Vikings are shut down. And damn Im glad we picked up Harris. Its always nice to see someone runs well for GB.

Man I hope the Vikes get their act together and beat this fake football team called the GB Packers.

Discount double check!? LOL. Wisconsin sucks.

[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Wisconsin sucks. [/quote]

Easy easy.

[quote]paulwhite959 wrote:
Happy Houston won, but not expecting them to beat NE (unless they play a lot better, or NE tanks bad). Lots of talk going about the D on NE being weak, but they held us to 14 points last time…[/quote]

I give little, if any, weight to that reg season matchup.

In that earlier situation HOU had little, if any, incentive to tip their hand and we know DC-Phillips can be plenty creative with those guys.

NE may very well win of course, but no chance it unfolds anyhow similar.

[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]paulwhite959 wrote:
Happy Houston won, but not expecting them to beat NE (unless they play a lot better, or NE tanks bad). Lots of talk going about the D on NE being weak, but they held us to 14 points last time…[/quote]

In that earlier situation HOU had little, if any, incentive to tip their hand and we know DC-Phillips can be plenty creative with those guys.

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They had no incentive to tip their hand to the Pats earlier? If they won that game they would have got a first round bye and homefield advantage throughout the playoffs. It was probably Houston’s biggest game of the year before the playoff game. There should have been plenty incentive to win the game.

[quote]chillain wrote:
Anyway, back to what’s really going on…

I fully expect HOU to cover the 4.5pts vs CIN today (its 3-0 at the end of 1st quarter) and give them a very real chance at a “upset” win in NE next week.

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Well, the Texans allow an average of 26.9 points a game, and the Pat’s average 36 points per game. The Texans average 26 points per game offensively, and the Pat’s defense has been allowing 23 points per game. The Pat’s are going to win.

I’ll take Tom Brady and the Pats fo shizzle. Although I would like to see the Texans go the distance.

[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]paulwhite959 wrote:
Happy Houston won, but not expecting them to beat NE (unless they play a lot better, or NE tanks bad). Lots of talk going about the D on NE being weak, but they held us to 14 points last time…[/quote]

I give little, if any, weight to that reg season matchup.

In that earlier situation HOU had little, if any, incentive to tip their hand and we know DC-Phillips can be plenty creative with those guys.

NE may very well win of course, but no chance it unfolds anyhow similar.

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No incentive to tip their hand? Are you fucking kidding?

Do you really think athletes and teams think this way? Have you ever competed at ANYTHING sports-related where you said to yourself, well, I think I’m not going to try hard to win or whatever because I don’t want to give anything away? Fuck no, and if you HAVE thought that way I’d be willing to bet you’ve never been a professional athlete or anything close to it.

I cannot fucking stand when people say shit like this. It’s like when people say, oh, well they already have everything locked up and nothing to play for so they aren’t going to be motivated to play as hard or whatever. BULLSHIT. These guys are professional athletes. They become professionals on the backs of extreme physical talent but also extreme competitiveness. Professional athletes don’t like to lose, period.

They tried to beat NE as best as they could and with everything available to them. They got beat, badly, by a team that was trying just as hard to beat them. All that other peripheral bullshit goes out the window when the whistle blows and these guys are trying to dominate each other as hard as they can. Athletes don’t think the way fans think. That’s why fans are at home watching and athletes are in the stadium playing.

Yep. The earlier Pat’s game was for real stakes. And for god’s sakes, we barely beat the Bengals! Unless something amazing happens I just don’t see it. I know that makes some people call me a fair weather fan…but those people are idiots that don’t understand dispassionate judging of performances.

Now if the same patriots that lost horribly a week or two back show up we have a chance :smiley:

Really thought Lovie would end up in Buffalo.

Doug Marrone agrees to terms to be Buffalo Bills coach

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]chillain wrote:
Anyway, back to what’s really going on…

I fully expect HOU to cover the 4.5pts vs CIN today (its 3-0 at the end of 1st quarter) and give them a very real chance at a “upset” win in NE next week.

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Well, the Texans allow an average of 26.9 points a game, and the Pat’s average 36 points per game. The Texans average 26 points per game offensively, and the Pat’s defense has been allowing 23 points per game. The Pat’s are going to win.[/quote]

Houston and NE allowed the exact same number of points on the season(331) so I’m not sure how their averages would be different by 3.9 a game(they both allowed 20.6).

Also, while +/- is a pretty solid indicator of how good a team is, it’s hardly some instant super bowl predictor as seen in… well probably almost every season(I may go look at like the last 10 for funsies).

[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
They had no incentive to tip their hand to the Pats earlier? If they won that game they would have got a first round bye and homefield advantage throughout the playoffs. It was probably Houston’s biggest game of the year before the playoff game. There should have been plenty incentive to win the game. [/quote]

It was too early in the year to single out that game. They had to “win out” to clinch the bye for sure, that’s very different than winning that particular monday nighter.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
No incentive to tip their hand? Are you fucking kidding?

Do you really think athletes and teams think this way? Have you ever competed at ANYTHING sports-related where you said to yourself, well, I think I’m not going to try hard to win or whatever because I don’t want to give anything away? Fuck no, and if you HAVE thought that way I’d be willing to bet you’ve never been a professional athlete or anything close to it.

I cannot fucking stand when people say shit like this. It’s like when people say, oh, well they already have everything locked up and nothing to play for so they aren’t going to be motivated to play as hard or whatever. BULLSHIT. These guys are professional athletes. They become professionals on the backs of extreme physical talent but also extreme competitiveness. Professional athletes don’t like to lose, period.

They tried to beat NE as best as they could and with everything available to them. They got beat, badly, by a team that was trying just as hard to beat them. All that other peripheral bullshit goes out the window when the whistle blows and these guys are trying to dominate each other as hard as they can. Athletes don’t think the way fans think. That’s why fans are at home watching and athletes are in the stadium playing.[/quote]

Agreed with most of this, but it’s just as ludicrous to suggest that players/coaches pay no mind to the schedule.

And what about preaseason games? Don’t tell me that players only know fully ON/OFF intensity or that “vanilla” coaching schemes aren’t beyond commonplace.

My point: some games are more meaningful than others.

Look, I’m NOT saying that HOU showed up expecting to lose, only that they knew a loss was hardly the worst thing in the world. Meanwhile their following week’s matchup at IND (off the short week) was much more meaningful and they won that road game handily.

Again, in that monday nighter at NE, I saw zero exotic blitzes/coverages from HOU nor much of an effort to play catchup and we can safely expect NONE of the same next weekend.

[quote]doogie wrote:
Really thought Lovie would end up in Buffalo.

Doug Marrone agrees to terms to be Buffalo Bills coach

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000122629/article/doug-marrone-agrees-to-terms-to-be-buffalo-bills-coach[/quote]
Yep, and so now where? Az?

[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
They had no incentive to tip their hand to the Pats earlier? If they won that game they would have got a first round bye and homefield advantage throughout the playoffs. It was probably Houston’s biggest game of the year before the playoff game. There should have been plenty incentive to win the game. [/quote]

It was too early in the year to single out that game. They had to “win out” to clinch the bye for sure, that’s very different than winning that particular monday nighter.

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
No incentive to tip their hand? Are you fucking kidding?

Do you really think athletes and teams think this way? Have you ever competed at ANYTHING sports-related where you said to yourself, well, I think I’m not going to try hard to win or whatever because I don’t want to give anything away? Fuck no, and if you HAVE thought that way I’d be willing to bet you’ve never been a professional athlete or anything close to it.

I cannot fucking stand when people say shit like this. It’s like when people say, oh, well they already have everything locked up and nothing to play for so they aren’t going to be motivated to play as hard or whatever. BULLSHIT. These guys are professional athletes. They become professionals on the backs of extreme physical talent but also extreme competitiveness. Professional athletes don’t like to lose, period.

They tried to beat NE as best as they could and with everything available to them. They got beat, badly, by a team that was trying just as hard to beat them. All that other peripheral bullshit goes out the window when the whistle blows and these guys are trying to dominate each other as hard as they can. Athletes don’t think the way fans think. That’s why fans are at home watching and athletes are in the stadium playing.[/quote]

Agreed with most of this, but it’s just as ludicrous to suggest that players/coaches pay no mind to the schedule.

And what about preaseason games? Don’t tell me that players only know fully ON/OFF intensity or that “vanilla” coaching schemes aren’t beyond commonplace.

My point: some games are more meaningful than others.

Look, I’m NOT saying that HOU showed up expecting to lose, only that they knew a loss was hardly the worst thing in the world. Meanwhile their following week’s matchup at IND (off the short week) was much more meaningful and they won that road game handily.

Again, in that monday nighter at NE, I saw zero exotic blitzes/coverages from HOU nor much of an effort to play catchup and we can safely expect NONE of the same next weekend.

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The reason you saw zero exotic blitzes from Houston is because Tom Brady might be the best QB against the blitz in the NFL. His passer rating is probably higher against the blitz than it is overall.

Preseason games are an entirely different animal altogether since those games really don’t mean a thing as far as who wins and loses.

I agree that not all games have the same meaning IN RETROSPECT. But at the time, the biggest game of the year is the game they’re playing in, especially when they’re playing on the road against the best team in the AFC the last decade or so and you’re on a team that hasn’t won a single postseason game. At that point EVERY game against a team like NE is huge.

They blew out Indianapolis because Indianapolis is a FAR worse team than NE is. That had nothing to do with the import they placed on one game over another. If the loss were against Oakland instead of NE it might be a different conversation. But it wasn’t.

And perhaps the fact that you saw zero effort to catch up was actually an illusion. Perhaps they WERE trying to catch up but NE just was the better team that night and took away their competitiveness. That happens in sports. I see it a lot in fighting sports. A guy gets his face bashed in often enough in a bout and he just fight back as hard, even though he still wants to win just as badly. But the fight was taken out of him by a better opponent. You have to give credit to the other fighter or the other team at some point too, and I think that Houston/NE game is an example of NE deserving the credit for winning and not so much Houston deserving blame for the loss.

The Hawks haven’t won a playoff road game since they did it in Miami in 1983. So my conclusion is they are due.

Here we go!