[quote]Aggro wrote:
Whiskey
Tango
Foxtrot[/quote]
I could have posted that, but I had restraint unlike some people.
Sick bastard.
[quote]pookie wrote:
Let’s try that pic again…[/quote]
lol
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am not sure why people are hating this idea so much. For the current version of Batman hitting the big screen to mesh well with Superman, they HAVE to get rid of that late 1970’s version of Superman.
I HATED that Superman Returns movie. In fact, I really think the only people who liked it are the ones who haven’t followed that character much over the past 10 years.
Even in Smallville (TV show) that character has grown a lot so presenting that cartoonish “I can’t believe it’s not Chris Reeves” version of him for the movie was actually a STEP BACK. Could they have made Lex Luthor any more ridiculous?
The Smallville version of that character is so many levels above the character that Spacey played that it made me embarrassed that they forced a great actor into a role that fucking flat and juvenile.
There was no attempt at all in that movie to show who Clark Kent was. Kent is why Superman is not God. His upbringing…and the fact that deep down, he actually likes just being a farm boy (or simply human for that matter)…are what make him who he is. They didn’t fill out his psychology AT ALL in that last movie.
There is no way Bale’s Batman and that Superman could even stand in the same camera frame with each other and not look completely ill-placed.
I think some of you are stuck on the word “darker”. They NEED to make that character more realistic.
As far as Batman and Superman getting along, when they first meet (even in that new animated Batman series where they meet for the first time), there was a rivalry there.
They respected each other, but Superman felt Batman was mostly irrelevant at first, preferring to handle most of it alone until he figured out how smart Batman actually was
(In the series, Batman tracked Superman down to find out his real identity by using satellites to graph Superman’s flight patterns…showing a fondness for the Daily Planet and one distant apartment complex…because Superman saw under his mask and pointed out he was a rich kid)).
THAT is how it should be approached.[/quote]
that was a GREAT animated feature. i like the first confrontation, where Supes takes offense to Batman’s “vigorous” interrogation of a suspect, and Batman pretty much kicks his ass by pulling out some kriptonite.
with Bale as the Dark Knight, a superman/batman movie has ton of potential.
Article from ign.com on rebootin
*A Worthy Set of Villains
This one is a no-brainer. Superman needs someone or something that provides a worthy challenge. We’re tired of seeing him rescue planes or stave off natural disasters. We want an actual villain that can match Superman on a physical level. The only time the movies ever got this right was Superman II, where he traded blows with the Phantom Zone criminals. No, the fight with Nuclear Man in Superman IV does not count as “getting it right.”
Trading blows is the operative phrase here. If Superman threw a single punch in Returns, we must have slept through it. We want to see him punch Brainiac, Metallo, or Parasite. Heck, a knock-down, drag-out brawl with Doomsday could be pure cinematic glee if handled properly.
The Matrix Revolutions was a pretty lousy movie, but the climactic battle between Agent Smith and Neo gave us a glimpse of how cool a Superman battle could look with modern CG technology. We want to see the new movie realize this potential.
*An Actor Who Can Embody Superman and Clark Kent
Superman is a touch character to cast. He has a larger-than-life quality that befits the world’s greatest hero. He’s also built like a brick house. Clark Kent, on the other hand, is withdrawn, meek, and a little mousy. The two are vastly different characters, and the movie requires that one actor fill both roles perfectly. Christopher Reeve was a master at this, and there’s a reason most people still think of him as Superman after all this time.
The last Superman, Brandon Routh, didn’t meet with the same level of success. He was a great Clark, but his Superman came across as a gangly, tight-wearing wuss. The right actor has to be out there somewhere. Movies like 300 have proved that physical size can be convincingly faked through CG, so the important factor is really the quality of acting. WB can have all the other pieces of the puzzle, but without an actor that fill the tights as aptly as Reeve, there’s no point in going forward with another movie.
*A Willingness to Diverge From Past Projects
Superman Returns had numerous flaws. One of the most glaring was the fact that it felt annoyingly similar to the older movies in the franchise. The general plot, with Lex Luthor scheming to create worldwide disasters and make billions in the real estate market, was practically lifted straight from the original. A successful movie needs to be willing to diverge from what came before and venture into unfamiliar territory.
Part of this goes back to the idea of villains. We can’t stomach another Superman movie with Luthor as the one and only antagonist. Nor can we abide another Superman III, where the main villain was a blatant Luthor clone. We want new villains and new struggles for Superman to overcome.
We also wouldn’t necessarily mind if the movie broke away from standard continuity and tried something completely different. Comics like Secret Identity and It’s a Bird, as well as novels like It’s Superman! take the concept of Superman and put an interesting new spin on it. It’s a Bird in particular can’t even be considered a superhero story. There’s no reason WB can’t do something new and different for once.
*A Healthy Respect For What Came Before
In turn, we don’t want to see WB do different just for the sake of being different. Particularly in the case of the first two movies, there were a lot of things done right. Take the general aesthetic of Krypton, for instance. Richard Donner and his designers crafted a memorable take on this alien world and the Fortress of Solitude that, frankly, put the comics to shame. It was no coincidence that the comics took several cues from this aesthetic when Returns came out. Even two years later, the comic version of the Fortress of Solitude retains that iconic crystalline appearance.
In the pages of Action Comics, Superman and Lois Lane now bear a strong resemblance to Christopher Reeve and Margot Kidder, respectively. These two actors defined the roles, and we see no reason why their replacements shouldn’t evoke the same classical sensibilities. The movies did too much too well for a new cast and crew to simply ignore them.
*Maturity Without Being “Dark”
It’s understandable that DC wants to try and force lightning to strike twice by replicating the success of Dark Knight. One of the main points in their new strategy is that they want to follow Christopher Nolan’s approach. This means a strongly character-driven focus with dark, mature undertones.
Now, we’re all for maturity when it comes to comic adaptations. Far too many projects in the past have collapsed under the weight of camp and goofy excess. But WB should be very careful about making a Superman film too dark. Superman is not Batman. That’s essentially what comics like Superman/Batman have been trying to hammer home for decades. What works for a Batman film is not necessarily going to work for a Superman film as well.
We want to see a movie where Superman inspires people. That’s what he does. He makes Metropolis, and the entire world, a better place through his actions. The movie shouldn’t be drenched in dark palettes and bathed in shadow. Supes shouldn’t be swearing vengeance at the graves of Ma and Pa Kent. Jimmy Olsen shouldn’t run around the streets shooting people (unless he’s shooting pictures, of course). The sillier trappings of the older movies definitely need to go, but the producers need to firmly hold onto the concept of Superman as a defender of Truth, Justice, and the American Way.
*No More Super Kid!
The one area Returns actually attempted to diverge from the comics was by introducing the child of Superman and Lois Lane. Naturally, the kid has super powers that slowly revealed themselves through the course of the film. We feel Super Kid was a huge mistake, and one that should be swept under the rug in any future projects.
There’s a reason Superman has never had a real child in the comics, at least not in a continuity-driven story. It complicates the character and takes him away from his core appeal. Readers complain that simply having Superman married to Lois makes him too old and boring. What would a kid do?
There’s simply no reason to even touch on the idea of Super Kid in a rebooted franchise. Let Superman be Superman. Let him pine for Lois. Don’t let him devolve into a creepy stalker dad all over again. Some viewers will doubtless be disappointed that a direct sequel to Returns is out of the question now. They’ll never know what became of this super-powered tyke. Good riddance, we say.
And, if for some reason WB changes gears again and strives for a sequel, we’re all for Rich’s suggestion �?? have Doomsday eat the kid. Done and done.
*No Rehashing the Origin
As much as we love seeing new superheroes brought to the big screen, we’re starting to grow tired of the standard origin tale. We loved Iron Man, but the movie suffered from a certain level of predictability. When you have 2 hours to establish a new franchise and it numerous characters, there are only so many directions you can take the story. Superman shouldn’t have this problem. The original movie already did a suitable job of chronicling his journey to Earth and early life on the Kent farm. We don’t mind if the new movie takes a few minutes to touch on this story, but we’d hate to see a significant chunk of the film wasted on another origin rehash.
Put simply, everyone already knows his origin. Supes is one of the most recognizable pop culture characters in existence. We want less time spent rehashing and more time focusing on the present. We’d say Incredible Hulk represents a good solution to this problem. Though it wasn’t a direct sequel to 2003’s Hulk, it assumed audiences weren’t terribly interested in seeing Bruce Banner before his accident. Hulk’s origin was confined to the opening credits, allowing the movie to venture into new territory for the remaining 90 minutes. If we have to sit through another 30-45 minutes of Krypton exploding and young Clark moping, we might just walk out of the theater.
*A More Believable, Complex Luthor
With the next movie rebooting the franchise, we can only assume it’ll take place during Superman’s early days in Metropolis. Knowing that, there’s absolutely no way Lex Luthor won’t be a part of the story. He’s too integral to this era of Superman’s career not to be. We’d be happy to have Luthor make another appearance. He stands tall as Superman’s ultimate villain for a very good reason.
That said, the script absolutely needs to portray Luthor in a more complex fashion than it did in Returns. Kevin Spacey made the most of what he was given, but that version of Luthor was annoyingly one-note. He was evil, and he was proud it. That’s not Lex Luthor.
The real Luthor thinks of himself as the ultimate hero. He’s a world-renowned inventor and businessman. He basks in his status as Metropolis’ favorite son, at least until Superman arrives to steal his spotlight. Luthor clashes with Superman because he firmly believes the alien hero is a detriment to humanity. Sure, Luthor is deluding himself when he claims he could save the world if only Superman didn’t constantly get in the way, but that’s the whole point. Luthor is a complex villain, and he needs to be portrayed as such.
*More Showcases of Superman’s Power
This hearkens back to the idea of giving Superman more villains to punch, but in a more general sense. Whether he’s clobbering bad guys or just throwing tanks around, we want to see Supes cut loose and unleash his strength on something. Returns was mind-numbingly boring at times, with far too few scenes like the plane rescue to liven things up. Just as Incredible Hulk turned up the smash factor for its respective hero, so should the next Superman movie.
In addition, we’d like to see Superman put his other powers to use. Not in ridiculous ways, like the magical cellophane S-shield or by spinning the world backwards. We want to see him melt robots with his heat vision, or freeze villains in their tracks with his icy breath. With current special effects technology, the producers can really push the limits of what Superman can do on screen.
*Keep John Williams, Please
Superheroes are heroic. They need booming, heroic themes to communicate that idea. Superman has quite possibly the greatest musical theme of any superhero. Ever. We still get goosebumps anytime we hear John William’s Superman March. Batman Begins took a bit of flack for ditching Danny Elfman’s iconic Batman music. In that instance we understand the desire to move away from the older films and the idea of heroic themes in general. But in the case of Superman, we see absolutely no reason to fix what certainly isn’t broken.
However, the producers need to go one step further. Returns wisely kept the Williams theme, but a different composer was responsible for the general score. Frankly, the rest of the score didn’t measure up. Williams has a real genius for scoring blockbuster movies like Superman. We want to see him come back in a full capacity with the London Symphony Orchestra in tow. At the very least, the new movie needs someone of equivalent talent. With Superman, his actions speak louder than his words. And his music speaks louder than his actions.
End of article…
I wish that somehow that Tom Welling as Superman would work. Actually, I wish both him and Michael Rosenbaum (LL) could make the transition to the big screen. I think for the last 7-8 yrs, they have been giving consistently good (sometimes great) performances, especially Rosenbaum. For all those smallville haters out there, I think this is supposed to be the year that Clark gives up his mopiness and becomes more recognizable as the hero he is to become. I also recognize that they face hurdles in making the leap to the big screen and it likely won’t happen.
[quote]ComixGuy wrote:
End of article…
I wish that somehow that Tom Welling as Superman would work. Actually, I wish both him and Michael Rosenbaum (LL) could make the transition to the big screen. I think for the last 7-8 yrs, they have been giving consistently good (sometimes great) performances, especially Rosenbaum. For all those smallville haters out there, I think this is supposed to be the year that Clark gives up his mopiness and becomes more recognizable as the hero he is to become. I also recognize that they face hurdles in making the leap to the big screen and it likely won’t happen.
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Agreed. For every weak “WB teen show” fuck up on Smallville, there have been at least 2-3 really good episodes that have helped redefine that character. NO ONE has played Luthor better than Rosenbaum to date…NO ONE. That is why I was surprised to see Spacey get reverted back to that comical version that only worked because it was 1979.
Things that show got right:
Cloe - possibly the best original character they came up with.
Lex - nothing else really needs to be said
Clark - Has anyone gotten Clark down better than Welling? That is who he is and watching him learn how to use many of those powers for the first time was awesome.
I also like many of the cameos from The Martian Manhunter to Flash (I didn’t like Aquaman though).
I don’t understand why a movie would ignore that completely.
Welling may not be the best overall actor in the world, but who else has that overall look and character to pull off both roles right now? He just needs someone to force him into the gym for about two years.
Nice article.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Things that show got right:
Cloe - possibly the best original character they came up with.[/quote]
Yep. With this being the last season, it is most likely that she will probably end the season as a casaulty. My take is: she will die using her power on Clark. Her power to resuscitate deceased people has never been used on Clark before. I figure it will this year with Doomsday slated to appear. Maybe her power will resuscitate a Kryptonian but instead of her being temporarily dead as happens with humans, she will remain dead. This might be the catalyst that transform Clark into Superman. Imagine a forlorn Clark looking over Chloe’s gravesite holding a letter from Chloe with Chloe’s voice in the background voicing over the words in the letter telling Clark that he needs to become who he was destined to be and not to let her sacrifice be in vain. The camera focuses on the letter in his hand and then it trails downward. Or at least it looks like it trails downward but when it gets to his feet you realize that he has been floating upwards. The John Williams score comes on and then you see him counsciously fly away for the first time as himself.
That would pay homage to Chloe and help explain her absence in the Superman mythos. I mean how do you bring up Chloe in front of Clark w/o reminding him that she died so he could live. Pretty hard to do so.
Just an idea on how it could be handled because I hope they do it right. You are right that she has been a great character.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Welling may not be the best overall actor in the world, but who else has that overall look and character to pull off both roles right now? He just needs someone to force him into the gym for about two years.[/quote]
At least he is better now than in Season 1. He looked like a CK model back then. Now at least he has some heft to him. A lot more than Routh and more than Reeves. Ideally for him, I would like see an NFL’s running back proportions over his big frame for that role.
Great article.
As much as I would like to see Welling/Rosenbaum in the movie, I fear that would tag it with some of the less desirable elements of the Smallville series (Doomsday is not a bartender. He is THE villain that matched Superman physically).
No matter how crappy it turns out, though, I’ll watch it. It’s Superman, right?
[quote]Vash wrote:
Great article.
As much as I would like to see Welling/Rosenbaum in the movie, I fear that would tag it with some of the less desirable elements of the Smallville series (Doomsday is not a bartender. He is THE villain that matched Superman physically).
No matter how crappy it turns out, though, I’ll watch it. It’s Superman, right?[/quote]
Yeah…but will we REwatch it? I haven’t looked at that Superman Returns movie since it came out.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Vash wrote:
Great article.
As much as I would like to see Welling/Rosenbaum in the movie, I fear that would tag it with some of the less desirable elements of the Smallville series (Doomsday is not a bartender. He is THE villain that matched Superman physically).
No matter how crappy it turns out, though, I’ll watch it. It’s Superman, right?
Yeah…but will we REwatch it? I haven’t looked at that Superman Returns movie since it came out.[/quote]
I have, and I have to say that it gets worse with repeated viewings. After the first time I saw it, I thought it was just okay, but now that I’ve seen it a few times, I can’t stand it.
[quote]ComixGuy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Things that show got right:
Cloe - possibly the best original character they came up with.
Yep. With this being the last season, it is most likely that she will probably end the season as a casaulty. My take is: she will die using her power on Clark. Her power to resuscitate deceased people has never been used on Clark before. I figure it will this year with Doomsday slated to appear. Maybe her power will resuscitate a Kryptonian but instead of her being temporarily dead as happens with humans, she will remain dead. This might be the catalyst that transform Clark into Superman. Imagine a forlorn Clark looking over Chloe’s gravesite holding a letter from Chloe with Chloe’s voice in the background voicing over the words in the letter telling Clark that he needs to become who he was destined to be and not to let her sacrifice be in vain. The camera focuses on the letter in his hand and then it trails downward. Or at least it looks like it trails downward but when it gets to his feet you realize that he has been floating upwards. The John Williams score comes on and then you see him counsciously fly away for the first time as himself.
That would pay homage to Chloe and help explain her absence in the Superman mythos. I mean how do you bring up Chloe in front of Clark w/o reminding him that she died so he could live. Pretty hard to do so.
Just an idea on how it could be handled because I hope they do it right. You are right that she has been a great character.[/quote]
I think that would be a good way for her to go out. I’ve been wondering since Smallville started how they would handle Chloe since she’s a new character. I always figured they’d have to kill her off somehow. Originally, I thought they could keep her around, but she’s knows way too much. It’s similar to Lionel Luthor in that at a certain point, you knew he had to go.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Welling may not be the best overall actor in the world, but who else has that overall look and character to pull off both roles right now? He just needs someone to force him into the gym for about two years.
At least he is better now than in Season 1. He looked like a CK model back then. Now at least he has some heft to him. A lot more than Routh and more than Reeves. Ideally for him, I would like see an NFL’s running back proportions over his big frame for that role.[/quote]
He was leaner in earlier seasons, but I don’t think he looks all that great now. I’ve read more than a few times that Welling isn’t a big fan of the gym and rarely works out. I would like to see him (and especially Rosenbaum) make the transition to the big screen though.
[quote]AngryVader wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Vash wrote:
Great article.
As much as I would like to see Welling/Rosenbaum in the movie, I fear that would tag it with some of the less desirable elements of the Smallville series (Doomsday is not a bartender. He is THE villain that matched Superman physically).
No matter how crappy it turns out, though, I’ll watch it. It’s Superman, right?
Yeah…but will we REwatch it? I haven’t looked at that Superman Returns movie since it came out.
I have, and I have to say that it gets worse with repeated viewings. After the first time I saw it, I thought it was just okay, but now that I’ve seen it a few times, I can’t stand it.[/quote]
Were there any truly cool scenes in that movie? A bullet bouncing off of his eye might have actually worked if the guy playing him hadn’t come off as such a wuss. I think I ended up laughing at scenes that weren’t meant to be funny.
Worse than anything is that this movie was supposed to be the “darker Superman”. That was why they made his costume darker (none of the bright primary colors) and threw in Super-Kid. That was all they talked about before it opened but no one threw a tantrum then.
I never really watched the earlier smallville seasons but the current one (I think we’re a season behind in the UK) is quite interesting whenever I catch it (i dont often wake up early enough).
Dark Knight was fucking awesome. The same week I got a copy of Superman Returns and was this close to punching my girlffriend in the face for letting me watch it.
Interestingly enough, quite a few people I know prefered Batman Begins to DK.
EDIT: If it wasnt already clear (and aside for the special effects which were pretty cool), Supes Returns was a complete peice of shit.
[quote]pookie wrote:
Let’s try that pic again…
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Wow 12 cents for a comic book. Times have changed. I think I still have this one from my childhood.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
AngryVader wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Vash wrote:
Great article.
As much as I would like to see Welling/Rosenbaum in the movie, I fear that would tag it with some of the less desirable elements of the Smallville series (Doomsday is not a bartender. He is THE villain that matched Superman physically).
No matter how crappy it turns out, though, I’ll watch it. It’s Superman, right?
Yeah…but will we REwatch it? I haven’t looked at that Superman Returns movie since it came out.
I have, and I have to say that it gets worse with repeated viewings. After the first time I saw it, I thought it was just okay, but now that I’ve seen it a few times, I can’t stand it.
Were there any truly cool scenes in that movie? A bullet bouncing off of his eye might have actually worked if the guy playing him hadn’t come off as such a wuss. I think I ended up laughing at scenes that weren’t meant to be funny.
Worse than anything is that this movie was supposed to be the “darker Superman”. That was why they made his costume darker (none of the bright primary colors) and threw in Super-Kid. That was all they talked about before it opened but no one threw a tantrum then.
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Honestly, the only scene that stood out to me was the very opening scene. Where you get the establishing shot of Krypton against the red sun and then it goes supernova. I saw that and thought, “Wow, that looked really good!” I was disappointed from that moment on.
[quote]AngryVader wrote:
Professor X wrote:
No matter how crappy it turns out, though, I’ll watch it. It’s Superman, right?
Yeah…but will we REwatch it? I haven’t looked at that Superman Returns movie since it came out.
I have, and I have to say that it gets worse with repeated viewings. After the first time I saw it, I thought it was just okay, but now that I’ve seen it a few times, I can’t stand it.[/quote]
I liked Superman Returns and Transformers while I was at the theatre. Probably riding the high I get when going to the movies. However I haven’t rewatched either since then. Perhaps that the comic and animated series have taken both so much further, and now the movies feel like a step backwards. Never gave it much thought before reading this thread.
[quote]AngryVader wrote:
ComixGuy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Things that show got right:
Cloe - possibly the best original character they came up with.
Yep. With this being the last season, it is most likely that she will probably end the season as a casaulty. My take is: she will die using her power on Clark. Her power to resuscitate deceased people has never been used on Clark before. I figure it will this year with Doomsday slated to appear. Maybe her power will resuscitate a Kryptonian but instead of her being temporarily dead as happens with humans, she will remain dead. This might be the catalyst that transform Clark into Superman. Imagine a forlorn Clark looking over Chloe’s gravesite holding a letter from Chloe with Chloe’s voice in the background voicing over the words in the letter telling Clark that he needs to become who he was destined to be and not to let her sacrifice be in vain. The camera focuses on the letter in his hand and then it trails downward. Or at least it looks like it trails downward but when it gets to his feet you realize that he has been floating upwards. The John Williams score comes on and then you see him counsciously fly away for the first time as himself.
That would pay homage to Chloe and help explain her absence in the Superman mythos. I mean how do you bring up Chloe in front of Clark w/o reminding him that she died so he could live. Pretty hard to do so.
Just an idea on how it could be handled because I hope they do it right. You are right that she has been a great character.
I think that would be a good way for her to go out. I’ve been wondering since Smallville started how they would handle Chloe since she’s a new character. I always figured they’d have to kill her off somehow. Originally, I thought they could keep her around, but she’s knows way too much. It’s similar to Lionel Luthor in that at a certain point, you knew he had to go.
Professor X wrote:
Welling may not be the best overall actor in the world, but who else has that overall look and character to pull off both roles right now? He just needs someone to force him into the gym for about two years.
At least he is better now than in Season 1. He looked like a CK model back then. Now at least he has some heft to him. A lot more than Routh and more than Reeves. Ideally for him, I would like see an NFL’s running back proportions over his big frame for that role.
He was leaner in earlier seasons, but I don’t think he looks all that great now. I’ve read more than a few times that Welling isn’t a big fan of the gym and rarely works out. I would like to see him (and especially Rosenbaum) make the transition to the big screen though.[/quote]
Lol. I think we have quorum on Rosenbaum.
Here is a pic that may show how much he as changed from the CK model days. CK is not a pun by the way. Is it great? Depends on your standards. By T-Nation standards and by how the comic portrays him, no. He would need to hit the gym for a while. By most of the general populace, yes. Is it closer than Routh and Reeves? Definitely.
Speaking of Reeves…when he was guest-starring on the show he was interviewed one time on whether or not Welling would make a good Superman, alluding to the fact that he hadn’t worn the tights, yet. I think his reply was something to the effect that he thought he already was.
[quote]Bujo wrote:
AngryVader wrote:
Professor X wrote:
No matter how crappy it turns out, though, I’ll watch it. It’s Superman, right?
Yeah…but will we REwatch it? I haven’t looked at that Superman Returns movie since it came out.
I have, and I have to say that it gets worse with repeated viewings. After the first time I saw it, I thought it was just okay, but now that I’ve seen it a few times, I can’t stand it.
I liked Superman Returns and Transformers while I was at the theatre. Probably riding the high I get when going to the movies. However I haven’t rewatched either since then. Perhaps that the comic and animated series have taken both so much further, and now the movies feel like a step backwards. Never gave it much thought before reading this thread.
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Blasphemer! How can you put Transformers in the same category as Superman Returns!
[quote]Bujo wrote:
AngryVader wrote:
Professor X wrote:
No matter how crappy it turns out, though, I’ll watch it. It’s Superman, right?
Yeah…but will we REwatch it? I haven’t looked at that Superman Returns movie since it came out.
I have, and I have to say that it gets worse with repeated viewings. After the first time I saw it, I thought it was just okay, but now that I’ve seen it a few times, I can’t stand it.
I liked Superman Returns and Transformers while I was at the theatre. Probably riding the high I get when going to the movies. However I haven’t rewatched either since then. Perhaps that the comic and animated series have taken both so much further, and now the movies feel like a step backwards. Never gave it much thought before reading this thread.
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I don’t think I can give your opinion much credit if Superman Returns gets the same rating as Transformers. I think you just like the pretty lights.