[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I can’t argue this point in history, Sloth…but what you said just doesn’t “fit” with what I’ve read.
“Resigned because of Electoral Loses”?
If you say so. Again, I’m not up on the history of this time.
Mufasa[/quote]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/govt/leadership/stories/gingrich110798.htm
Christine:
Thanks for the article…but doesn’t it read like there were “Official/Public” reasons for the resignation…then there were the “real” reasons?
Mufasa
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Christine:
Thanks for the article…but doesn’t it read like there were “Official/Public” reasons for the resignation…then there were the “real” reasons?
Mufasa[/quote]
Yes. I am certain there is much that was never made public.
Newt is bad news.
All I can say, if the current crop of republican presidential candidates are the best the party has to offer, the party is in serious trouble.
Newty is crazy, and delusional. He is a liar and unstable.
Why has the GOP turned against Newty ? Simple. He can’t beat Obama.
Romney is the only guy among the current lunatics. Santorum is too conservative. The guy doesn’t even want people to use condoms for fuck’s sake.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Christine:
Thanks for the article…but doesn’t it read like there were “Official/Public” reasons for the resignation…then there were the “real” reasons?
Mufasa[/quote]
What? The real reasons were laid out. The republicans took some losses and wanted new leadership. Gingrich eventually saw this and stepped down, resigning. And the Repubs went on to not accomplish much of anything.
Zeb, and Romney (and his establishment backers), have been spewing a misleading narrative that Gingrich agreed to resign (or, was kicked out) as part of the ethics investigation two years earlier. That is historically false. There are reasons for Conservatives to not back Newt, but these aren’t them.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
The first Speaker of the House to ever be removed for ethics violations.
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As a reminder, this is the falsehood under examination.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
And just as a reminder…This is CNN. CNN!
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Newty is crazy, and delusional. He is a liar and unstable.
Why has the GOP turned against Newty ? Simple. He can’t beat Obama.
Romney is the only guy among the current lunatics. Santorum is too conservative. The guy doesn’t even want people to use condoms for fuck’s sake. [/quote]
This is exactly it.
Newt has no chance whatsoever of winning. The only person currently running who has a chance to beat Obama is Romney.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Romney is the only guy among the current lunatics. Santorum is too conservative. The guy doesn’t even want people to use condoms for fuck’s sake. [/quote]
Ah, the old Papist slander rears it’s ugly little head. Santorum has dealt with this issue time and again. While sinful in Catholicism, he flat out maintains that the government has no role in the contraception issue. He has said directly that he would oppose any government policy banning your condomns. Geeze.
Newt is an old gas bag, he has nothing to offer. You don’t want a guy like this holding the nuclear launch codes.
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Newty is crazy, and delusional. He is a liar and unstable.
Why has the GOP turned against Newty ? Simple. He can’t beat Obama.
Romney is the only guy among the current lunatics. Santorum is too conservative. The guy doesn’t even want people to use condoms for fuck’s sake. [/quote]
This is exactly it.
Newt has no chance whatsoever of winning. The only person currently running who has a chance to beat Obama is Romney.
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Of the three ( I dismiss Paul), Romney is the least likely to win. Polls at the moment don’t matter. The narrative in the general will change the story quickly. The base turnout will be suppressed, and those independents won’t break for him as hard as people think. Not after what the billion dollar Obama machine does to him. He can barely pull this off with a huge money advantage as it is. Obama will not have Newt and Satorum money disadvantage.
He is completely disarmed on three big issues. While, begging to be turned into a Tonight Show/SNL flip-flopping panda-bear caricature. Only the caricature will be all too damn accurate.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Newty is crazy, and delusional. He is a liar and unstable.
Why has the GOP turned against Newty ? Simple. He can’t beat Obama.
Romney is the only guy among the current lunatics. Santorum is too conservative. The guy doesn’t even want people to use condoms for fuck’s sake. [/quote]
This is exactly it.
Newt has no chance whatsoever of winning. The only person currently running who has a chance to beat Obama is Romney.
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That’s what “they” said about McCain.[/quote]
Well, I don’t think Romney will beat Obama. I just think he is the only one with a chance to do so (of the republicans running).
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Newty is crazy, and delusional. He is a liar and unstable.
Why has the GOP turned against Newty ? Simple. He can’t beat Obama.
Romney is the only guy among the current lunatics. Santorum is too conservative. The guy doesn’t even want people to use condoms for fuck’s sake. [/quote]
This is exactly it.
Newt has no chance whatsoever of winning. The only person currently running who has a chance to beat Obama is Romney.
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That’s what “they” said about McCain.[/quote]
Let’s not forget who helped Obummer win more than anyone in 2008, and that was GW Bush. The anti-Bush/GOP train was in full tilt back then, so anyone short of Ronny Reagan himself, the GOP was bound to lose.
What the GOP needs to use, is the same tactic that Obama used. He is not liked, and lost many independents. If you put a far right guy on the ticket against Obama, Obama wins hands down. He will kill it. But you get someone not too crazy, not bat-shit, a guy like that can beat Obama.
Something I liked that Romney did, was defend capitalism. What he did with his investments was legal, might not seem fair, but it was legal. Buffet does the same shit, and while he isn’t running for president, no one is criticizing him. Buffet also wants higher taxes, but when pressed as to why he won’t just cut a check to the Treasury, you get crickets. Something alot of the Hollywood rich hippie fucks out here do also, no one is donating shit.
It seems that you have to be damn near crazy to run for POTUS these days, it gets worse every 4 years.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Christine wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Newty is crazy, and delusional. He is a liar and unstable.
Why has the GOP turned against Newty ? Simple. He can’t beat Obama.
Romney is the only guy among the current lunatics. Santorum is too conservative. The guy doesn’t even want people to use condoms for fuck’s sake. [/quote]
This is exactly it.
Newt has no chance whatsoever of winning. The only person currently running who has a chance to beat Obama is Romney.
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That’s what “they” said about McCain.[/quote]
Well, I don’t think Romney will beat Obama. I just think he is the only one with a chance to do so (of the republicans running).[/quote]
The Republicans cut from the same cloth as Romney do NOT win elections:
McCain
Dole
GHWB (I’m talking about his primary race against Reagan in 1980 and Clinton race in '92. His election in '88 was a sheer coattails effect from serving as VP under Reagan AND running against the dorkiest goofball of the 20th century, Dukakis).
Ford[/quote]
Okay. Which one has a better chance right now then? Of those currently running?
That reminds me, I got a McCain robocall (hours after a “Newt resigned over ethics violations”) in support of Romney. Yes, we’re now getting multiple anit-Newt, pro-Romney robocalls…Add that to the Dole support and I’m wondering what the heck hasn’t the GoP figured out yet. The base isn’t turning out.
The great independent landslide won’t materialize, and it won’t offset a disillusioned base. Talk about Newt burning bridges in the past? Romney and his supporters have done just that. The tea-party was a warm-up to what will come out of this mess.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Something I liked that Romney did, was defend capitalism.
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Was that when he was defending TARP/stimulus and Romneycare? You want to defend capitalism without looking like a tool? Don’t defend bailing out capitalists and banks, who then turn around and oil your campaign machine.