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KSman … I had my doctor visit today. He was happy with the cholesterol numbers and said fine to try stopping the statin entirely and see where the numbers go. The same with the no iron as those numbers are OK also. He had the COq10 results and he said they are higher than normal by a bit but I failed to get the exact numbers. I assume I should continue with the supplement of 100 mg.(50mg. 2XD)? Got my usual injection also. I am trying to get an appointment with an endo my son uses ( vitamin D deficiency ) and my son said that the Dr. may be OK with the self injection protocol. I am HOPING !!!
Any thoughts on any of the blood test numbers ???
thank you
KSman - Do I continue the COQ10 as Dr. said it was a little over range now ? Meaning was it meant to be a loading dose or to continue forever ?
And a couple questions …
Been checking body temps. I HAVE BEEN 97.3 or lower upon waking but lately I am 97.7 or slightly less upon waking but it DROPS during the day. I JUST took my temp. and it is 95.9 right now (chilly day in Jersey).
I never talked about body hair so here goes. QUITE HIRSUTE - Hairy back, chest, arms, etc. BUT -- NO hair from the waist down and I recently saw an old family video and in my late 40's I literally had HAIR PANTS ! I can still shave twice a day and grow a beard in a few days.
The low body temp. situation is almost PAINFUL at times. Hands get cold enough to be numb.I can shiver most of the day. I CAN get to 98.1 or so after a LONG HOT shower but it drops rapidly afterward to the low range. Other than that scenario I am in the 96-95 range all day.
HELP ????
You can reduce CoQ10 as serum levels are good and you are stopping the statin drug.
T cholesterol=143 is too low. 180 is thought to be ideal. HDL is strong, you would be OK with T cholesterol >200…
fT3 and fT4 are a bit low, which may explain low body temps, rT3 could also be a possible factor, but was OK before.
SHBG=140
E2=7.3
This is very abnormal. With low E2, SHBG should be mid range.
While TT is in range, FT is very low because so much of TT is T_SHBG which reduces FT. T+SHBG is not bioavailable.
While lower E2 lowers SHBG, higher T levels decrease SHBG. So that is one factor.
Any clues here: Sex hormone-binding globulin - Wikipedia
SHBG is made in the liver, to scavenge hormones for removal. If there was a liver pathology, that would be part of the puzzle. AST/ALT do not indicate a problem with the liver.
PLEASE SUMMARIZE YOUR PROTOCOL, iodine and IR for these labs.
KSman … If you mean Protocol for T injections they are E2W - 200Cyp. I take 50mg-2XD of CoQ10 and no other supplements. My iodine history is a multi-vitamin 1XD (Centrum Silver) with 150mcg for AT LEAST 20 years. I do use a LOT of iodized salt. I eat well- red meat,Chicken are my diet staples.
SUGGESTIONS ?
Thank you
You need to be self injecting twice a week. You will never be balanced injecting twice a week. When you inject twice a week, or once a week, lab work is quite useless as it is a snap shot of something that is always changing.
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You need to be self injecting twice a week. You will never be balanced injecting twice a week. When you inject twice a week, or once a week, lab work is quite useless as it is a snap shot of something that is always changing.
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KSman … I didn’t understand this - “You need to be self injecting twice a week. You will never be balanced injecting twice a week.” Yes, I do know the PROPER protocol IS injections much more often. I have been through 5 Endos to no avail. I do have one more my son uses for other reasons than T replacement but he has been unavailable to take new people on as of yet. I WILL get to him ASAP. Are ALL LABS subject to the “moving target” theory (of which I AGREE) ? Or are the other lab numbers more finite ? Thyroid, etc. ?
I DO seem to be feeling a little better in the last few days - could the CoQ10 have taken an effect as that is my ONLY change from my daily meds ???
thank you again KSman ( and I WILL get on daily injection somehow )
Should have said: You need to be self injecting twice a week. You will never be balanced injecting once a week.
AI dosing is a moving target until you get it right, then can be static for years.
Thyroid is too complex for some to make broad generalizations.
Nice to see that you are feeling better. Keep posting with updates.
[quote]KSman wrote:
Should have said: You need to be self injecting twice a week. You will never be balanced injecting once a week.
AI dosing is a moving target until you get it right, then can be static for years.
Thyroid is too complex for some to make broad generalizations.
Nice to see that you are feeling better. Keep posting with updates.[/quote]
Thanks again KSman… I use NO AI. AT present Dr. injects 200 cyp. E2W. He DOES ALSO give me androgel and I use 2 pumps for a day after day 7 of his injection, Then 3 pumps for 2 days then 4 pumps until the day before injection day. My E2 is EXTREMELY low and I can FEEL IT !! I have ALL the symptoms of low E2.
And with the body temps ( I am ALWAYS VERY COLD ) and the numbers in my thyroid labs might you have a suggestion to HELP that ??
Thank you again for the help.
Feeling cold:
PLEASE SUMMARIZE YOUR PROTOCOL, iodine and IR for these labs.
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tT3 and fT4 are both below mid-range.
What are current oral body temperatures?
Low E2 and high SHBG is very odd.
FT not checked? Probably low.
You need FT for FT–>E2
When was lab work done relative to your protocol?
I suspect that the lab work is rather useless because your levels change a lot.
You need to inject twice a week. What happens with doc when you ask?
[quote]KSman wrote:
Feeling cold:
PLEASE SUMMARIZE YOUR PROTOCOL, iodine and IR for these labs.
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tT3 and fT4 are both below mid-range.
What are current oral body temperatures?
Low E2 and high SHBG is very odd.
FT not checked? Probably low.
You need FT for FT–>E2
When was lab work done relative to your protocol?
I suspect that the lab work is rather useless because your levels change a lot.
You need to inject twice a week. What happens with doc when you ask?
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FT was checked – 4.6 (range 6.6-18.1). Bloods are taken on the last day of the 2 week period (200 cyp E2W). I use a muli vitamin with 150 mcg daily and use a lot of iodized salt. Daily temps start at 97.7 or so (now - I HAVE BEEN as low as 96.3) and drop a bit through the day.Other than that - no additional iodine.
My Doc. is FINE with the protocol here PROVIDING I find an Endo that will prescribe that. Then he would continue THAT therapy. So far NO LUCK !!
Am I a candidate for the IR protocol suggested here ? IF so - how LOW of a dose can I use that will achieve the desired result ?
Temp at the moment is 97.5 - room is 72.5 and I am wearing thermal underwear and have a coat on. ( in work )
… thanks again, KS man
I might have ( at LAST !!) found an endo that is fine with the injection protocol here by KS Man. I had one appointment and he took blood to do his own testing. I discussed the protocol here with him and he agreed with the MUCH MORE often injections rather than the E2W I am on presently. I can not WAIT for my NEXT VISIT !!!
And a question … I have read that there is something to " no hair from the abdomen down " I literally had HAIR PANTS most of my life and NOW I have what looks like CLEAN SHAVEN legs - NO HAIR ! just WHAT does that INDICATE ??
Thank you in advance, Skip
AT LONG LAST !!! FINALLY received the OK to do EOD injections !! Have the scrip in my hand and I pick up the T and needles tomorrow !! He refrained from adding HCG as I asked but I will try to get my GP to do that and Adex as he( GP ) has prescribed that for me already.
He prescribed 1" needle into the thigh. From all I have read here I thought it was 1/2" needle SUB Q ??? Is there anything I can " hit " in the thigh with the 1" ?? And can I do SUB Q with the 1" other than in the thigh area as THAT seems to be the preferred protocol ?
CAN’T WAIT to finally get STARTED after being on this site FOR A WHILE !!!
Need some HELP !!! ON self injection for 3 weeks. 1.5 cyp EOD. Blood pressure has SPIKED to 198 over 92 !!! I was 108/70 or so for YEARS. I DID add adex ( .25 ) on injection days to control E2. Stopped the adex 2 days ago and started my water pill again ( off for a year).
Any IDEA WHY THIS HAPPENED? And what I can do ?? HELP !!!
What is 1.5? How many MG is that a week? If your E2 is low, don’t take an AI. I don’t take an AI on 100MG week and never had high E2. When I did take an AI I overresponded and crashed E2. It takes a few weeks for E2 to recover, and I’ve read sometimes a lot longer.