KSman … or ???
New Blood tests ...... 1/16/14 .. of course my DR. was in the bahamas on my appointment day so I have no answer from him on the self injection protocall yet...( DAMN !!! ) ....here are results ... any HELP or OPINIONS on the T or E2 numbers and the thyriod stuff ???? Thanks in advance ..........
… skip
C’mon guys … this is THE PLACE for answers on such questions … and the ONLY one I found where the guys KNOW what they’re talkin’ about !!! Well over 500 views and NO suggestions ? … How 'bout a little HELP with my numbers ???
… Skip
ok … DR appt. on Friday ( Jan. 31 ) … I will pin him down on the inj. protocall ( no pun intended ) I would still like an opinion on thyroid numbers and E2/T ( even WITH the peak/trough ) total estrogen seems high too – yes ?? Does that have any VALUE ? … talk to me …
. thanks, Skipperman
KSMAN …( or ??) … DR. tomorrow ( Mar. 14th ) … last visit ( jan. 31 ) he said to wait for blood results and now I can start the self-inject TOMORROW ! Yee Haa !!! … He is supposed to do a complete blood panel tomorrow … I will post results as soon as I get them.
Now … questions …
50 test cyp 2xw ( he may let me go to 200 a week) #29 insulin syringe – sub Q – yes ??
Adex … ( ??? ) .25 - 3xw ( that CRASHED me on the bi-weekly 200 inj. ( E2 was 7 !! )
hCG … 250iu EOD ( ???) do I need that at all ??? ( I think so but what’s your opinion ? )
I assume this protocall is for the rest of my life … correct ?? ( so I would like to do it CORRECTLY from the beginning )
This is my BEGINNING with self injection, etc. so i need opinions from the Fearless Leader !!
… thanks man , Skip
I don’t even want to read this thread because it’s a complete mess. No grammar, punctuation, or paragraphs. It’s so unclear that it’s a waste of everyone’s time.
Also, if someone doesn’t show any interest in finding information for themselves and grasping fundamentals, guys here aren’t going to spend all their time doing it for you.
C27 … the post is written as one would talk …periods are the pauses in between the normal breaks in a conversation. I HAVE READ SO MUCH information here that is all but confusing. I asked if what I have comprehended thus far is correct as I am about To undertake a new life style for me.
I belong to SEVERAL internet boards concerning things I AM WELL VERSED In and I, personally, try to educate a newbie as this is JUST what he is - a beginner. The analogy would be makng fun of someone trying to speak english from a foreign land. He needs a friendly helping hand in the beginning. Eventually he “speaks the language”. I wish to learn just as you did.
All I asked was conformatoin on what I have absorbed from all my reading and if it was correct. I wish to waste no ones time - we all only get so much on this planet and it is all valuable …
Now that this post is quite off topic is there an opinion you or a better versed than I on this subject can supply me with???
apoligies, Skip
A final question - Can I make some GAINS on 200 cyp a week along with the necessary suppliments from here ? I do train presently but not hard enough to add some weight and would like to UP my game.
And I DON'T BELIEVE he didn't supply any TEST NUMBERS !?
… thank you all in advance
I would do some research on SHBG. Your response to the T sounds like a carbon copy of myself,(age 64). I am just starting Danazol 100mg every 3 days to see how my SHBG level responds. My history, (8 years of BT) is very low fT with NO positive response to T. I could not get low fT addressed until a new practitioner was recruited. I did self inject. Now I am a pellet man. Reason for going pellet was to avoid the spike from injecting. Less T more often is the way to go however you can get it done.
KCman has a good handle on what’s going on. His advice is worth a fortune. As you have discovered, HRT is not the easiest thing to get right.
Dig into the research. YOU must become the one responsible for your success.
Your rewards will be worth it. (what a preach. Sorry)
Goodman .. thanks - I have been researching here as much as I can . But there is SO MUCH INVOLVED in this therapy and so many others know more than I . ESPECIALLY the KSMAN - So I try to tap the knowledge that is contained within them. I taught for years my self and always tried to bring the student along at the pace he can understand. If asked a specific question I answered it in a fashion he could grasp. The intricacy of BT numbers, thier meaning and SOLVING the way to correct them is still way out of my realm of knowledge.
I can read the numbers and see if they are listed as high or low but that is as far as I go . Let alone know what EFFECTS what. This site is the MECCA for this knowledge and the reason I joined. I hope, someday, to be able to pass on what I will learn here as the GURUS who now can TEACH ME did.
I should be following the injection sticky here after my next Dr. visit ( on Friday ) and AM looking forward to an improvement over my present position in my life from just the MINISCULE amount I have already gleaned. I am OPEN to any and all suggestions concerning BW, protocols, advice and maybe even a scolding now and then…
… thank you gentlemen for creating this site, Skipperman
… Thanks in advance, Skipperman
Skip,
I see you tested positive for a past epstein-barr infection. If you’re still feeling bad, you could add Monolaurin (natural antiviral found in coconuts) to your protocol to see if you have some viral infection that never totally cleared out. Also, you could add “thymic protein A” (pro boost) to boost your immune system. You can buy both these on amazon for fairly cheap.
If they will provide benefit, you’ll know it within a couple of months. If they don’t help you, they definitely won’t hurt you.
Kaynon… thanks I will try that. The E/B virus was Lyme’s over 20 years ago. I DO feel pretty bad and I was concerned with the total T / Free T numbers.
I have a DR. appt. tomorrow and wanted some opinions to go to him with as I think the almost 4400 total T is RIDICULOUS !!!
… thanks, Skipperman
Well- He re-tested the BW ( at Labcorp again ) and here are the results. DISMAL - right ? Still waiting his approval on the sef injections. he called a FEMALE endo and she said " I would never give a man testosterone to dose on his own " THAT set me back a BUNCH !! I’m going to give him one more visit to come around to sanity or find a new practitioner. I HAVE been looking for a new TRT Doc already but no luck within an area I can travel to. Suggestions ?
I feel ABSOLUTLY TERRIBLE ! Mentally, physically, emotionally. HELP !!
Haven't posted here in about 6 months. NO LUCK with finding a "friendly" endo/uro person. Had probaby an easy DOZEN blood tests drawn and they ARE ALL DISMAL ! I feel absolutly TERRIBLE !! Tired, weak, brain fog and all the goodies. My question is - I would like to "clean up" and start all over agin by procuring the necessities all by myself. Will I need HCG to bring the boys back on line and how often and how MUCH ? After the body settles into " normalcy " for a while I will begin my T regimin again.
May I PLEASE have some ADVISE as to how to dose the HGC as from what I have read here it is NECESSARY to treat with that until the body stabilizes it's own T production. (?) Any HELP PLEASE ?
… thanks, Skipperman
NOBODY ??? Trying another endo suggested by a family member soon … any HELP with the HCG question ???
hCG can be used alone to increase T levels IF younger and you do not have primary hypogonadism
Old labs indicate
You have low thyroid function.
TSH should be closer to 1.0
T3, T4, fT3, fT4 should be mid-range or a bit higher
Your body temperatures are probably low.
Check oral body temperatures:
… Thanks again
