I’m on my first tub of Surge after holding out as long as I could being a broke ass college student. But I’m sooooo glad I ordered it; and after seeing the larger bottle I decided to order two tubs just so that I have a decent supply for a while.
What a great product! Finally servings per container that makes sense. A tub will last a month, it makes it so much nicer, and the price per serving is awesome. I hope there’s plenty in stock to last 10 days till I get paid. Ty Biotest.
In our opinion, only supplemental amino acids should be listed in this manner. Listing naturally occuring amino acids gives the impression that they too have been supplemented to the protein.
This all to often is employed as a marketing technique to deceive customers. Less sophisticated customers don’t always understand that all proteins are comprised of amino acids, so they take a look at the amino acid profile and think product X must be good 'cause it has all those aminos. We don’t want to use this gimmick to sell product.
We think it’s silly to list the amino acids naturally found in the protein.
Silly? Silly to list the actual amount of amino acids in the product? An accurate amino acid profile? That’s silly? You wouldn’t have to distinguish between supplemental amino acids and those naturally occuring in whey protein. List the total amino acids you get in a serving of Surge. Doesn’t seem silly to me. But a good idea. I’ll tell you one thing; nobody would be thinking they get the same amount from hydrolyzed whey. [/quote]
Yes, its silly to count the naturally occurring amino acids in food with what you supplement with.
If you were taking BCAAs with (or between) each meal, you wouldn’t figure out how much amino acids were in the chicken you were eating and then subtract that from the total free form (or Branch Chain) amino acids that you were taking concurrently.
I respectfully disagree with the last two posts. I see 2.25g of leucine, 1.75 of valine, and 1.25g of isolecuine listed, and that’s what I think the product contains. That’s what I would look to for comparison with other products. The label does not say: “warning: make sure and compare apples with apples-only supplemental amino acids listed. Greater but undisclosed amount in an actual serving of product.” I would never have known if it did not come out in this thread. And it still really doesn’t make sense to me.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
I respectfully disagree with the last two posts. I see 2.25g of leucine, 1.75 of valine, and 1.25g of isolecuine listed, and that’s what I think the product contains. That’s what I would look to for comparison with other products. The label does not say: “warning: make sure and compare apples with apples-only supplemental amino acids listed. Greater but undisclosed amount in an actual serving of product.” I would never have known if it did not come out in this thread. And it still really doesn’t make sense to me.[/quote]
Did you really think that the only amino acids in this product were phenylalanine, glutamine, leucine, valine, and isoleucine? This wouldn’t make any sense.
[quote]RIT Jared wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Mod Brian wrote:
We think it’s silly to list the amino acids naturally found in the protein.
Silly? Silly to list the actual amount of amino acids in the product? An accurate amino acid profile? That’s silly? You wouldn’t have to distinguish between supplemental amino acids and those naturally occuring in whey protein. List the total amino acids you get in a serving of Surge. Doesn’t seem silly to me. But a good idea. I’ll tell you one thing; nobody would be thinking they get the same amount from hydrolyzed whey.
Yes, its silly to count the naturally occurring amino acids in food with what you supplement with.
If you were taking BCAAs with (or between) each meal, you wouldn’t figure out how much amino acids were in the chicken you were eating and then subtract that from the total free form (or Branch Chain) amino acids that you were taking concurrently.[/quote]
No. But if I was buying Omega-3 enriched eggs, the proper way to list the nutritional content would be to list the total amount of polyunsaturated fat in an egg [like Pilgrim’s Pride Eggs Plus does]and not the extra added above which an egg normally contains. Calcium fortified juice usually tells you the total amount of calcium in a serving. Parmalait milk with extra protein gives the total amount of protein and not that which is simply added to milk after it comes out of the cow. That is what people would want to know. I see know reason why Surge is any different.
[quote]ChrisKing wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
I respectfully disagree with the last two posts. I see 2.25g of leucine, 1.75 of valine, and 1.25g of isolecuine listed, and that’s what I think the product contains. That’s what I would look to for comparison with other products. The label does not say: “warning: make sure and compare apples with apples-only supplemental amino acids listed. Greater but undisclosed amount in an actual serving of product.” I would never have known if it did not come out in this thread. And it still really doesn’t make sense to me.
Did you really think that the only amino acids in this product were phenylalanine, glutamine, leucine, valine, and isoleucine? This wouldn’t make any sense.[/quote]
Whatever. I like Surge. I use Surge. I’ve said it. I don’t really want to make any more of an issue of this. But if anything, I think nondisclosure of all the ingredients and amount of ingredients is more misleading than only listing additional supplemental amounts of some beyond which one particular component of the product has. Last I’ll say.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
I respectfully disagree with the last two posts. I see 2.25g of leucine, 1.75 of valine, and 1.25g of isolecuine listed, and that’s what I think the product contains. That’s what I would look to for comparison with other products. The label does not say: “warning: make sure and compare apples with apples-only supplemental amino acids listed. Greater but undisclosed amount in an actual serving of product.” I would never have known if it did not come out in this thread. And it still really doesn’t make sense to me.[/quote]
I don’t understand what’s confusing to you. Most useful proteins contain the 9 essential amino acids. The building blocks of protein are amino acids.
Therefore if you are including non-supplemental amino acids in your “count” they are bonded with other amino acids to form proteins and are not absorbed and utilized in the same fashion as a BCAA supplement.
Well then you’d better call up your local dairy and request that they put amino acid content on milk cartons, because guess what, there’s some in there and we wouldn’t want you to be misled.
I’m still not seeing how this is such a hard concept to understand but hopefully the Wikipedia link will help you out.
[quote]RIT Jared wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
I respectfully disagree with the last two posts. I see 2.25g of leucine, 1.75 of valine, and 1.25g of isolecuine listed, and that’s what I think the product contains. That’s what I would look to for comparison with other products. The label does not say: “warning: make sure and compare apples with apples-only supplemental amino acids listed. Greater but undisclosed amount in an actual serving of product.” I would never have known if it did not come out in this thread. And it still really doesn’t make sense to me.
I don’t understand what’s confusing to you. Most useful proteins contain the 9 essential amino acids. The building blocks of protein is amino acids.
Therefore if you are including non-supplemental amino acids in your “count” they are bonded with other amino acids to form proteins and are not absorbed and utilized in the same fashion as a BCAA supplement.
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Nothing at all is confusing me. I meant the last statement as in I would prefer to know all of the amounts of all the amino acids in the product as a whole. That would include that from the hydrolyzed whey Biotest uses. It doesn’t matter. It’s just information I would like to have. But it’s not a big deal. I’d done. I’ve said what I had to say.
[quote]RIT Jared wrote:
Well then you’d better call up your local dairy and request that they put amino acid content on milk cartons, because guess what, there’s some in there and we wouldn’t want you to be misled.
I’m still not seeing how this is such a hard concept to understand but hopefully the Wikipedia link will help you out.[/quote]
If my local dairy marketed itself as having greater amounts of particular amino acids, namely leucine, isoleucine, and valine, than other milks yet only disclosed the additional and not the base amount in milk, I’d do just that. Perhaps the proper response to my original query from Mod Brian or anyone would’ve been: “the amino acid profile of all hydrolyzed whey is the same. Look it up yourself, and add the amino acids listed on the label to get the entire amino acid profile of Surge.” If that is in fact the case, and all hydrolyzed whey has the same amino acid profile.
Looks like I can’t stop posting. For example, here is the total amino acid profile, listed on the label, of a brand I will leave unamed and don’t use personally.
That’s what I would like to see with Surge. Am I going to stop using it because Biotest does not break it down like this? No. But that’s what I would prefer.
[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Looks like I can’t stop posting. For example, here is the total amino acid profile, listed on the label, of a brand I will leave unamed and don’t use personally.
That’s what I would like to see with Surge. Am I going to stop using it because Biotest does not break it down like this? No. But that’s what I would prefer.
Maybe it’s a secret formula that they don’t want everyone to see![/quote]
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Looks like I can’t stop posting. For example, here is the total amino acid profile, listed on the label, of a brand I will leave unamed and don’t use personally.
That’s what I would like to see with Surge. Am I going to stop using it because Biotest does not break it down like this? No. But that’s what I would prefer.[/quote]
I would seriously question any supplement company that claimed to carry their amino acid profiles out to 3 decimal places.
If you can’t see the difference between bound and unbound amino acids then I’m afraid I can’t help you any further. Best of luck on your next nutritional label.
Price up about 42%. Product up 60%. Sounds good to me.
Although I will be going from 8 servings, (2.5 scoops,) to 12, (4 new scoops,) so that?s now 50% more servings for me instead of 60%. But that means I will actually be using slightly more Surge. (~6% more.)