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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:
I’m going for more of a type than a race. To me How he was (acted reacted) was always what made Conan worth reading

CONAN[/quote]

Considering the author’s apparent racism and description of Conan, I find it odd that several artists would chose to draw Conan’s face and hairline this way…

He looks like an ape there (Planet of the apes movie anyone? Seriously, maybe the POA crew could lend the new Conan crew one of their costumes…)…

Wouldn’t a more “nordic”/viking look fit better? Or maybe the pictures four60 posted were really meant as a bit of a parody of the whole Conan = Aryan superman -theme?

On another note, the physical descriptions/stats are nothing like the pictures (height, weight etc, although the pic four60 posted in the post I quoted at least doesn’t make Conan look like he’s 5’10 270)… Back when those stories were written, people had fuck-all clue about what “big” looks like… I mean, 6’5 250? At that height, 250 is going to make you look smaller than those Jersey-shore guys when ripped, and virtually un-trained when not lean… :
http://z.about.com/d/prowrestling/1/0/S/N/-/-/edge.jpg

There’s your Aryan Conan for you (dyed his hair to lower his intelligence score to barbarian levels, of course)
Doesn’t look like much, does he? (actual fighting ability: I have no idea… Just talking about his physique)

Arnold, by comparison, is about 6’ (though he has claimed to be way taller than that, he really isn’t/wasn’t… 6’1 tops, if even) and top-heavy.

Same thing with the descriptions of his movement etc… Graceful like a panther (or whatever it was) ?
You get the exact same description for lots of modern fantasy chars (Drizzt Do’Urden being one if memory serves right, but pretty much every other figther, assassin, ranger or thief in just about every goddamn fantasy universe). It’s just what fantasy writers (who likely don’t have a whole lot of experience with the 2 things in question here: movement and muscles) like to write about their fighting characters… Cliche crap.

So to the poster who complained about Arnold not moving gracefully like some big cat (how exactly is anyone going to do that without 2 additional legs, anyway?)…

Gee dude, just about every actor is going to look awkward as hell swinging some big-ass sword in mock-fights on the screen… It’s not like you’re holding a mock-light-saber either.

Some well-trained martial artists may pull that off, or a lot of camera tricks and CG (but even then, look at the fights in Spartacus: Blood and Sand… And those guys don’t even use big swords… They usually look awkward still, despite all the editing and CG) but those usually don’t look very barbarian-like, and eastern sword fighting technique (cool as it may look) is about as out of place in a movie about a barbarian (with a bastard sword or something bigger and heavier, no less) as Brad Pitt.

Hell, can anyone imagine a big actor moving “gracefully like a cat”? What does that look like?
It looks flamboyantly gay (not that there’s anything wrong with that, of course).

So maybe cast King Kamali… He’s got the movement down pat…

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Naaa the pics I posted were straight from his books and trade paperback novels. He was always made to look like he was half caveman. In the trades I remember thinking wow his forhead is twice the size of everyone else in the book.

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I’m gonna keep it simple:

Conan should be dark skinned, black haired, and muscular with the agility of a panther and the cunning of a …whatever’s really cunning. He’s supposed to be an amazing specimen. And it makes sense for Conan to be dark skinned/tanned. He’s out in the sun all day.

If this new guy can gain the proper muscle and show that Conan charisma, he’s won my vote.

Keep Captain America white, keep Black Panther black, keep Conan as a barbarian.

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
The race issue in any work of literature is an ugly one; what is important is that people realise that the meaning of the text isn’t necessarily what the author intended. As soon as that work is published, it is up to the readership to create cultural meaning out of it.

As an example, Robert E. Howard may have intended Conan to be some sort of Aryan ubermensch, but it is obvious from the majority of comments here that that isn’t what Conan embodies to most people - the opposite in fact. Once Conan was created, the basis for his appeal was no longer in Robert E. Howard’s hands.

Unfortunately that means the character is also subject to Twilight/reboot-generation “reimaginings”, even if they wholly miss the point.[/quote]

It’s funny how a “CONAN” THREAD turned into this. Or maybe it’s not so uncommon.

Either way. When you put your dollars down does it matter its not a History tale trust me its not. When I’m reading/watching something like Conan I’m looking for Action and Adventure Thrills and chills.

I get the feeling that most of this is some young guys trying to goat PX into an internet battle. Because if this is really what you care about during your free time its sad.

And from what I remember as a kid reading the Conan books and trades was that he was a Barbaric-sexist-thief-mercenary-demon slayer all for self gain the guy was not trying to up lift a people ANY people. So as long as 3 of the top are portrayed in the character the movie may not be half bad.
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Errr…I think you missed the point of my post, buddy.

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[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
The race issue in any work of literature is an ugly one; what is important is that people realise that the meaning of the text isn’t necessarily what the author intended. As soon as that work is published, it is up to the readership to create cultural meaning out of it.

As an example, Robert E. Howard may have intended Conan to be some sort of Aryan ubermensch, but it is obvious from the majority of comments here that that isn’t what Conan embodies to most people - the opposite in fact. Once Conan was created, the basis for his appeal was no longer in Robert E. Howard’s hands.

Unfortunately that means the character is also subject to Twilight/reboot-generation “reimaginings”, even if they wholly miss the point.[/quote]

It’s funny how a “CONAN” THREAD turned into this. Or maybe it’s not so uncommon.

Either way. When you put your dollars down does it matter its not a History tale trust me its not. When I’m reading/watching something like Conan I’m looking for Action and Adventure Thrills and chills.

I get the feeling that most of this is some young guys trying to goat PX into an internet battle. Because if this is really what you care about during your free time its sad.

And from what I remember as a kid reading the Conan books and trades was that he was a Barbaric-sexist-thief-mercenary-demon slayer all for self gain the guy was not trying to up lift a people ANY people. So as long as 3 of the top are portrayed in the character the movie may not be half bad.
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Errr…I think you missed the point of my post, buddy.
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My bad how this came out. I was AGREEING WITH YOU. Sorry if it sounds like I was talking about you. It was meant as a HELL YEAH WHATS WRONG WITH THEM! type of post.

I agree with what you stated in your post 100%

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[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:

[quote]four60 wrote:

[quote]RTJenforcer wrote:
The race issue in any work of literature is an ugly one; what is important is that people realise that the meaning of the text isn’t necessarily what the author intended. As soon as that work is published, it is up to the readership to create cultural meaning out of it.

As an example, Robert E. Howard may have intended Conan to be some sort of Aryan ubermensch, but it is obvious from the majority of comments here that that isn’t what Conan embodies to most people - the opposite in fact. Once Conan was created, the basis for his appeal was no longer in Robert E. Howard’s hands.

Unfortunately that means the character is also subject to Twilight/reboot-generation “reimaginings”, even if they wholly miss the point.[/quote]

It’s funny how a “CONAN” THREAD turned into this. Or maybe it’s not so uncommon.

Either way. When you put your dollars down does it matter its not a History tale trust me its not. When I’m reading/watching something like Conan I’m looking for Action and Adventure Thrills and chills.

I get the feeling that most of this is some young guys trying to goat PX into an internet battle. Because if this is really what you care about during your free time its sad.

And from what I remember as a kid reading the Conan books and trades was that he was a Barbaric-sexist-thief-mercenary-demon slayer all for self gain the guy was not trying to up lift a people ANY people. So as long as 3 of the top are portrayed in the character the movie may not be half bad.
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Errr…I think you missed the point of my post, buddy.
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My bad how this came out. I was AGREEING WITH YOU. Sorry if it sounds like I was talking about you. It was meant as a HELL YEAH WHATS WRONG WITH THEM! type of post.

I agree with what you stated in your post 100%[/quote]

LOL. You know the topic is heated when guys who agree with each other get ready to disagree. But it is quite obvious a lot of guys have tied their self-image into how they envision Conan, in some way. All that really should matter is that whoever is playing him is badass… but wasn’t that the point of this thread when it first started?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]WolBarret wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Gabe299 wrote:
I thought Conans Cimeria (or whatever) was fictional? [/quote]

It is. They are now arguing that since the author was racist, that this means no one but someone white should play the character. I am assuming that is the argument because I am not sure what other reason there is to debate the issue. Personally, if the fucker was racist, I find it funny as hell that someone un-white ends up playing the part.

If the guy they chose can add a good 20-30lbs, I am sure the cameras will do the rest.

I am only concerned if they choose to not have him add much more muscle mass.[/quote]

Do we have a black Conan? Or are we stuck with the Scorpion King?
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I think we’re stuck. From what I can tell, black barbarians didn’t exist back then…just strange black women with flat tops.

In fact, apparently no black people did anything worth mentioning until the Underground Rail Road and peanut butter.[/quote]

Yo I really gotta thank you guys for that peanut butter stuff tho.

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[quote]earthquake wrote:
Edit: This is the new Conan. Name is Jason Momoa

I know original will never be done justice in a reboot. It also seems to me that the way that main characters are portrayed physically nowadays is gone compared to the older, classic movies like in Arnolds’ time. The fellow commandos and the enemies were all huge.

To me it made the elements in the big screen more fictitious in some sense (not the mass of the actors), and the antics of the main characters more funny (Let off some steam Bennett!).

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Momoa actually had a decent role as Ronox Dex in Stargate (by “decent” I mean a-ok, not necessarily Oscar-material.) In that surfer pic of his, he looks a lot smaller compared to how he looked when playing the role of Ronox.

It would be impossible for Momoa to get the meat required to walk on Arnold’s shoes as Conan. But if his current size is like what it was in Stargate, he could actually be a decent Conan, and certainly much, much better than that faggoty-looking, pink-meshed, maked-up Lutz (I mean, who the fuck that has an ounce of manliness would pose in such a queerish-like manner for a foto???)

Going back to Momoa, IF he’s like he was during Stargate, if the movie sticks closer to the original Conan’s mythology and if the producers use magnificent, Basil Poledouris type music instead of metal, emo-rock (the shit kids now think it’s rock) or Crom forbides, fucking techno as if it were Resident Evil, probably it might make for a decent, non-eunuch male-inspiring movie.

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I SHOULD BE CONAN!

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Rumour is that Mickey Rourke is going to be conan’s dad. No joke. I searched “pasty ass white dude” on google images, second page I get a picture of Twilight “Jason Momoa” Conan and click on it. blog from january with rumour of Rourke as dad. WTFFFFFFFFFF

http://www.thereader.com/blogs/film/2010_01_01_archive.html

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I think that Momoa dude’s abs are airbrushed. Rourke would make a sweet Conan.

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This is some sad, sad shit. I don’t know what the fuck is wrong with the world, this guy doesn’t look like he’s ever touched a weight in his life. Writing this makes my balls shrink but even the Twilight guy (the werewolf, not the vampire) would have made a better Conan. This guy doesn’t even look like he could pick up the sword, let alone kill enemies with it and stuff.

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They oughta’ just get Arnold and make a sequel. This movie…

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I don’t know if it’s already been said but nobody can really be Conan. I know it’s blasphemy but even Arnold wasn’t what Conan was to me, although he was the best we will ever see. Physique wise I think Gerald Butler after 300 would have been pretty good. He looked like someone that could have cut off your head but still wasn’t too big like I think Arnold was.

I don’t think they should even try to remake Conan. I don’t remember the exact phrasing but I remember there was a pirate that got “brained” by a Pict. No movie today could hold true to that level of violence.

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I am disaapoint.

http://blog.reelloop.com/11717/news/jason-momoa-slices-dices-conan/

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[quote]ARobb77 wrote:
I am disaapoint.

http://blog.reelloop.com/11717/news/jason-momoa-slices-dices-conan/[/quote]

sooo… the last two posters are the same person???

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[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:

[quote]ARobb77 wrote:
I am disaapoint.

http://blog.reelloop.com/11717/news/jason-momoa-slices-dices-conan/[/quote]

sooo… the two last posters are the same person???[/quote]

Interesting theory and coincidence, but no.

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Interesting. I am far from being racist, read all of Robert E. Howard’s Conan books as a teenager, and never got the impression that he was a racist. I always thaught that people just talked differently during the 1930s when the stories were written. For one thing Conan was hooking up with the beautiful black women of Kush, whom Howard described fovorably. I also remember a few stories where Conan faught side by side with black men, one of whom IIRC, was a close friend.

Anyway… IMO, they would have to computer-animate Conan as they did the Hulk to get anything close to the true character.

This is how I’ve alway pictued Conan:

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[quote]Quimby wrote:
Interesting. I am far from being racist, read all of Robert E. Howard’s Conan books as a teenager, and never got the impression that he was a racist. I always thaught that people just talked differently during the 1930s when the stories were written. For one thing Conan was hooking up with the beautiful black women of Kush, whom Howard described fovorably. I also remember a few stories where Conan faught side by side with black men, one of whom IIRC, was a close friend.

Anyway… IMO, they would have to computer-animate Conan as they did the Hulk to get anything close to the true character.

This is how I’ve alway pictued Conan:
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You can still be racist and bang a chick of the opposite color. Kill their men AND bang their women? That’s a win-win scenario.

Anyway, I think Jason Momoa can make it work.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:

[quote]Quimby wrote:
Interesting. I am far from being racist, read all of Robert E. Howard’s Conan books as a teenager, and never got the impression that he was a racist. I always thaught that people just talked differently during the 1930s when the stories were written. For one thing Conan was hooking up with the beautiful black women of Kush, whom Howard described fovorably. I also remember a few stories where Conan faught side by side with black men, one of whom IIRC, was a close friend.

Anyway… IMO, they would have to computer-animate Conan as they did the Hulk to get anything close to the true character.

This is how I’ve alway pictued Conan:
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You can still be racist and bang a chick of the opposite color. Kill their men AND bang their women? That’s a win-win scenario.

Anyway, I think Jason Momoa can make it work.
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If the movie is about Conan as a teenager he would be built like this Frazetta painting portrays him, with a similar build to Momoa. IMO, Conan in his prime would be about 6’4" and weigh about 300 pounds though.

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first, mickey rourke would suck as conan hes too short, not big enough and would try too hard as an actor.
mamoan, idk about, hes not big enough but well see what he does.

im a late 80’s baby being obsessed with the the original conan movies, im sure they will fuck it up, ubt u have to understand… everyone is in to whats big today, and the big thing today is the hippy faggy BS… big muscles are gross, vegetarianism is cool, and art is cooler than bad-assery… im literally ashamed of my own generation