New Conan Trailer

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
I hope Conan’s parents and/or people weren’t killed. It wasn’t part of the original Conan stories, and that whole justifying the violence of the protagonist by having him avenge his dead parents or family has been done to death.

Conan is a noble savage, he’s violent because nature is violent. He hasn’t been castrated by a lot of cultural/religious bullshit. He’s elemental.

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According to the trailers, it does appear that they are going to use his parent’s death as part of his motivation. I agree with you. What made Conan such a great character to me was the fact that he wasn’t doing what he did for some grand glorious reason. He stole, killed, pillaged and ransacked because that is what would get him what he wanted and that is the world he lives in. Truth be told, most people are not noble, nor do they do the things they do for noble reasons. it is usually simple self-interest and survival. [/quote]

The essential thing about his character was that although he was the barbarian in the story, with no qualms about stealing or killing, he always came out looking good compared to the “civilized” people around him. He was noble in that he lived by a strong code of honor. He kept his word, he would risk death for a comrade he had only just met. Here’s my favorite scene from the original stories in which Conan describes in his own words why he had to flee the city guards:

 "Well, last night in a tavern, a captain in the king's guard offered violence to the sweetheart of a young soldier, who naturally ran him through.  But is seems there is some cursed law against killing guardsmen, and the boy and his girl fled away.  It was bruited about that I was seen with them, and so today I was haled into court and a judge asked me where the lad had goine.  I replied that since he was a friend of mine, I could not betray him.  Then  the court waxed wrath, and the judge talked a great deal about my duty to the state, and society, and other things I did not understand, and bade me tell where my friend had flown.  By this time I was becoming wrathful myself, for I had explained my position.
 "But I choked my ire and held my peace, and the judge squalled that I had shown contempt for the court, and that I should be hurled into a dungeon to rot until I betrayed my friend.  So then, seeing they were all mad, I drew my sword and cleft the judge's skull; then cut my way out of the court, and seeing the high constable's stallion tied near by, I rode for the wharfs, where I thought to find a ship bound for foreign parts."

[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
I hope Conan’s parents and/or people weren’t killed. It wasn’t part of the original Conan stories, and that whole justifying the violence of the protagonist by having him avenge his dead parents or family has been done to death.

Conan is a noble savage, he’s violent because nature is violent. He hasn’t been castrated by a lot of cultural/religious bullshit. He’s elemental.

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Didn’t Conan’s older brother get killed though? I have a faint memory of big rivalry between both. Then Conan went around with some expedition, banged some witch (when he was 11), then finally decided to travel around the World.

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
I hope Conan’s parents and/or people weren’t killed. It wasn’t part of the original Conan stories, and that whole justifying the violence of the protagonist by having him avenge his dead parents or family has been done to death.

Conan is a noble savage, he’s violent because nature is violent. He hasn’t been castrated by a lot of cultural/religious bullshit. He’s elemental.

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Didn’t Conan’s older brother get killed though? I have a faint memory of big rivalry between both. Then Conan went around with some expedition, banged some witch (when he was 11), then finally decided to travel around the World.
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No. You’re thinking of Ct. Rockula.

[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
I drew my sword and cleft the judge’s skull; then cut my way out of the court, and seeing the high constable’s stallion tied near by, I rode for the wharfs, where I thought to find a ship bound for foreign parts."
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Lol - gotta love Conan!! That’s awesome. I read all the Howard books when I was a kid - great stuff!

I think we sometimes get a skewed picture of Conan…he seems to me to be more civil than the general perception of him.
Sure he’s an adventurer and will slay a few bad guys in his stories, but he wasn’t much more brutal than many other heroes from books, comics or film.

[quote]Nards wrote:
I think we sometimes get a skewed picture of Conan…he seems to me to be more civil than the general perception of him.
Sure he’s an adventurer and will slay a few bad guys in his stories, but he wasn’t much more brutal than many other heroes from books, comics or film.[/quote]
It’ the loin cloth it makes him appear more savage. It’s sort of like Tarzan if you ever read the books or saw the movies he wore a freaking suit, but the perception of him is the yell and the loincloth

Good point. Yeah…I have a lot of the Savage Sword of Conan comic books and half the time he’s in a loincloth but other times he’s wearing more with his cute little Viking type helmet.

[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
I hope Conan’s parents and/or people weren’t killed. It wasn’t part of the original Conan stories, and that whole justifying the violence of the protagonist by having him avenge his dead parents or family has been done to death.

Conan is a noble savage, he’s violent because nature is violent. He hasn’t been castrated by a lot of cultural/religious bullshit. He’s elemental.

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According to the trailers, it does appear that they are going to use his parent’s death as part of his motivation. I agree with you. What made Conan such a great character to me was the fact that he wasn’t doing what he did for some grand glorious reason. He stole, killed, pillaged and ransacked because that is what would get him what he wanted and that is the world he lives in. Truth be told, most people are not noble, nor do they do the things they do for noble reasons. it is usually simple self-interest and survival. [/quote]

The essential thing about his character was that although he was the barbarian in the story, with no qualms about stealing or killing, he always came out looking good compared to the “civilized” people around him. He was noble in that he lived by a strong code of honor. He kept his word, he would risk death for a comrade he had only just met. Here’s my favorite scene from the original stories in which Conan describes in his own words why he had to flee the city guards:

 "Well, last night in a tavern, a captain in the king's guard offered violence to the sweetheart of a young soldier, who naturally ran him through.  But is seems there is some cursed law against killing guardsmen, and the boy and his girl fled away.  It was bruited about that I was seen with them, and so today I was haled into court and a judge asked me where the lad had goine.  I replied that since he was a friend of mine, I could not betray him.  Then  the court waxed wrath, and the judge talked a great deal about my duty to the state, and society, and other things I did not understand, and bade me tell where my friend had flown.  By this time I was becoming wrathful myself, for I had explained my position.
 "But I choked my ire and held my peace, and the judge squalled that I had shown contempt for the court, and that I should be hurled into a dungeon to rot until I betrayed my friend.  So then, seeing they were all mad, I drew my sword and cleft the judge's skull; then cut my way out of the court, and seeing the high constable's stallion tied near by, I rode for the wharfs, where I thought to find a ship bound for foreign parts."

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Isn’t that from the story where he hooked up with the pirate queen?

after seeing that clip im really excited for the new conan

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
I hope Conan’s parents and/or people weren’t killed. It wasn’t part of the original Conan stories, and that whole justifying the violence of the protagonist by having him avenge his dead parents or family has been done to death.

Conan is a noble savage, he’s violent because nature is violent. He hasn’t been castrated by a lot of cultural/religious bullshit. He’s elemental.

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According to the trailers, it does appear that they are going to use his parent’s death as part of his motivation. I agree with you. What made Conan such a great character to me was the fact that he wasn’t doing what he did for some grand glorious reason. He stole, killed, pillaged and ransacked because that is what would get him what he wanted and that is the world he lives in. Truth be told, most people are not noble, nor do they do the things they do for noble reasons. it is usually simple self-interest and survival. [/quote]

The essential thing about his character was that although he was the barbarian in the story, with no qualms about stealing or killing, he always came out looking good compared to the “civilized” people around him. He was noble in that he lived by a strong code of honor. He kept his word, he would risk death for a comrade he had only just met. Here’s my favorite scene from the original stories in which Conan describes in his own words why he had to flee the city guards:

 "Well, last night in a tavern, a captain in the king's guard offered violence to the sweetheart of a young soldier, who naturally ran him through.  But is seems there is some cursed law against killing guardsmen, and the boy and his girl fled away.  It was bruited about that I was seen with them, and so today I was haled into court and a judge asked me where the lad had goine.  I replied that since he was a friend of mine, I could not betray him.  Then  the court waxed wrath, and the judge talked a great deal about my duty to the state, and society, and other things I did not understand, and bade me tell where my friend had flown.  By this time I was becoming wrathful myself, for I had explained my position.
 "But I choked my ire and held my peace, and the judge squalled that I had shown contempt for the court, and that I should be hurled into a dungeon to rot until I betrayed my friend.  So then, seeing they were all mad, I drew my sword and cleft the judge's skull; then cut my way out of the court, and seeing the high constable's stallion tied near by, I rode for the wharfs, where I thought to find a ship bound for foreign parts."

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Isn’t that from the story where he hooked up with the pirate queen?[/quote]

Bêlit! Queen of the Black Coast and captain of the Tigress.

I really like that saga, although the ways she’s killed…

[quote]25th wrote:

after seeing that clip im really excited for the new conan[/quote]

Those first two minutes were better than all of the Lord of the Rings combined. So much joy is filling my heart right now.

Looks interesting but I tend to like my heroes without eyeliner.

[quote]Loudog75 wrote:
Looks interesting but I tend to like my heroes without eyeliner.[/quote]

What are you referring to?

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
I hope Conan’s parents and/or people weren’t killed. It wasn’t part of the original Conan stories, and that whole justifying the violence of the protagonist by having him avenge his dead parents or family has been done to death.

Conan is a noble savage, he’s violent because nature is violent. He hasn’t been castrated by a lot of cultural/religious bullshit. He’s elemental.

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According to the trailers, it does appear that they are going to use his parent’s death as part of his motivation. I agree with you. What made Conan such a great character to me was the fact that he wasn’t doing what he did for some grand glorious reason. He stole, killed, pillaged and ransacked because that is what would get him what he wanted and that is the world he lives in. Truth be told, most people are not noble, nor do they do the things they do for noble reasons. it is usually simple self-interest and survival. [/quote]

The essential thing about his character was that although he was the barbarian in the story, with no qualms about stealing or killing, he always came out looking good compared to the “civilized” people around him. He was noble in that he lived by a strong code of honor. He kept his word, he would risk death for a comrade he had only just met. Here’s my favorite scene from the original stories in which Conan describes in his own words why he had to flee the city guards:

 "Well, last night in a tavern, a captain in the king's guard offered violence to the sweetheart of a young soldier, who naturally ran him through.  But is seems there is some cursed law against killing guardsmen, and the boy and his girl fled away.  It was bruited about that I was seen with them, and so today I was haled into court and a judge asked me where the lad had goine.  I replied that since he was a friend of mine, I could not betray him.  Then  the court waxed wrath, and the judge talked a great deal about my duty to the state, and society, and other things I did not understand, and bade me tell where my friend had flown.  By this time I was becoming wrathful myself, for I had explained my position.
 "But I choked my ire and held my peace, and the judge squalled that I had shown contempt for the court, and that I should be hurled into a dungeon to rot until I betrayed my friend.  So then, seeing they were all mad, I drew my sword and cleft the judge's skull; then cut my way out of the court, and seeing the high constable's stallion tied near by, I rode for the wharfs, where I thought to find a ship bound for foreign parts."

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Isn’t that from the story where he hooked up with the pirate queen?[/quote]

B�ªlit! Queen of the Black Coast and captain of the Tigress.

I really like that saga, although the ways she’s killed…
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Isn’t that part of the appeal of Howard’s writing? Death waits in the shadows for everyone and those deserving of death don’t always die in the manner they deserve.

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
I hope Conan’s parents and/or people weren’t killed. It wasn’t part of the original Conan stories, and that whole justifying the violence of the protagonist by having him avenge his dead parents or family has been done to death.

Conan is a noble savage, he’s violent because nature is violent. He hasn’t been castrated by a lot of cultural/religious bullshit. He’s elemental.

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Didn’t Conan’s older brother get killed though? I have a faint memory of big rivalry between both. Then Conan went around with some expedition, banged some witch (when he was 11), then finally decided to travel around the World.
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Back when the cast was first announced, I heard that the main villain, Khalar Zym, raids Conan’s village when Conan was still a boy. In the trailer, Zym doesn’t recognize adult Conan, but Conan is clearly seeking payback for something Zym did to him.

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
I hope Conan’s parents and/or people weren’t killed. It wasn’t part of the original Conan stories, and that whole justifying the violence of the protagonist by having him avenge his dead parents or family has been done to death.

Conan is a noble savage, he’s violent because nature is violent. He hasn’t been castrated by a lot of cultural/religious bullshit. He’s elemental.

[/quote]

Didn’t Conan’s older brother get killed though? I have a faint memory of big rivalry between both. Then Conan went around with some expedition, banged some witch (when he was 11), then finally decided to travel around the World.
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Back when the cast was first announced, I heard that the main villain, Khalar Zym, raids Conan’s village when Conan was still a boy. In the trailer, Zym doesn’t recognize adult Conan, but Conan is clearly seeking payback for something Zym did to him.

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He treated Conan like an Alter boy

[quote]kevinm1 wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]Uncle Gabby wrote:
I hope Conan’s parents and/or people weren’t killed. It wasn’t part of the original Conan stories, and that whole justifying the violence of the protagonist by having him avenge his dead parents or family has been done to death.

Conan is a noble savage, he’s violent because nature is violent. He hasn’t been castrated by a lot of cultural/religious bullshit. He’s elemental.

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Didn’t Conan’s older brother get killed though? I have a faint memory of big rivalry between both. Then Conan went around with some expedition, banged some witch (when he was 11), then finally decided to travel around the World.
[/quote]

Back when the cast was first announced, I heard that the main villain, Khalar Zym, raids Conan’s village when Conan was still a boy. In the trailer, Zym doesn’t recognize adult Conan, but Conan is clearly seeking payback for something Zym did to him.

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He treated Conan like an Alter boy[/quote]

That explains the bow-legged gait then. And here I was thinking it was a bad case of saddle sores.

Fuck you both for insulting Conan. Conan would have sliced Zym from crotch to temple if he had tried to molest Conan.

[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Fuck you both for insulting Conan. Conan would have sliced Zym from crotch to temple if he had tried to molest Conan.

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I’m not insulting Conan. I’m responding to Kev’s post in a suitably humorous and ironic manner.

Robert E. Howard poured his demons into Conan. I’m a Conan noob (only started reading RE.H’s work after watching the Solomon Kane movie, then reading the stories to see how it should’ve been done).

Robert E. Howard was a man born in the wrong time. His sensitivity to the passing of time and the weight of eternity hanging over him both informed his writing and compelled him to seek his own death.

Oh, the horror! Behold the trailer for the Robert E. Howard biopic:

It can’t get any worse than this: