New Business Failures

[anon50325502]

@Zeppelin795

The same government that is in bed with the military-industrial complex.

Sure. Whatever.

@Zeppelin795

Where does the money come from?

Individual tax payers, mostly.

@Zeppelin795

Why would you think the government who is owned and controlled by the ruling class would even care?

@Zeppelin795

To not know this is to be completely divorced from reality.

You’re a fucking clown.

[Zeppelin795]

And who do you think are those tax cheats? I bet the vast majority are the benevolent capitalists, you worship.

[dt79]

@anon50325502

You’re literally just copying and pasting the article I gave you and it’s a PRO CAPITALISM ARGUMENT for SINGLE PAYER …

He posted a report on the problems with the Nordic Model in the era of increasing globalization and says I “selectively pasted text that suits my ideology” when I pasted the problems with the Nordic Model in the era of increasing globalization from the report.

Then he posts 2 sentences from a report criticizing government regulation of the market to support his argument that the government should regulate the market.

"If financial repression is avoided, there will be no call for financial liberalization. In this way, the risk of a financial calamity is reduced. Of course, financially deregulated systems may also undergo crises but for reasons other than deregulation.

The lesson is straightforward: stay away from financial repression."

Then this far left socialist wannabe who knows nothing about socialism posts a video from FOX NEWS explaining socialism and communism.

Unbelievable.

[Zeppelin795]

And you can tell by all the information procured from the other industrialized countries?

[anon50325502]

@Zeppelin795

And who do you think are those tax cheats? I bet the vast majority are the benevolent capitalists, you worship.

Lol, sure dude, whatever. That doesn’t even make sense, but sure… It’s must be those dastardly “benevolent capitalists” cheating on their Medicaid payouts… Couldn’t possibly be parasites like you.

Is it even possible at this point for you to be more of a joke?

[Zeppelin795]

So, what would you call it?

[anon50325502]

@Zeppelin795

And you can tell by all the information procured from the other industrialized countries?

You’re giving me a headache. The whopping $10B in savings requires enormous administrative and drug savings as well as a 40% reduction in payouts. If any of those things doesn’t happen to the level claimed then it will not cost less than the status quo. The author made that painfully clear as has US history.

Other industrialized nations DO NOT EQUAL THE US for the 500th time.

@Zeppelin795

So, what would you call it?

What would I call what? It’s supposed to be a conversation, but you’re a twat waffle.

[Zeppelin795]

@polo77j

Everyone would be equal, duh!

A school boys version of the world.

@polo77j

literally said actively limiting choice of the

So what do you call the non-choice of having stem cell therapy in this country as a means of treating chronic/degenerative diseases? When stem cells have been used as a treatment for over 10 years in other countries and tens of thousands of people have had this therapy.

What about the lobbying effort to try and keep medicinal MJ from being legalized from pharma? They can’t compete with either treatment, which works better and is essentially less expensive with a safer side effect profile. So they use their power to try and keep treatments from coming to the market. Because the “healthcare” in the U.S. is primarily about profits with health coming in a distant 2nd. Mo money, mo money and mo money 1st.

[anon50325502]

It’s hard to believe that you’re an adult and not some prepubescent troll.

[Aragorn]

@Zeppelin795

Communism is the ownership of the means of production by the government while Socialism the ownership is by the workers.

This is flat incorrect. Sorry.

[Aragorn]

@Zeppelin795

The cost of wars always plunges us into debt, while making more enemies for us. As we end up killing a lot of innocents

You only referred to the financial costs–which again pale in comparison to the costs of the social policies you are advocating and was debunked earlier. Which again you didn’t read. Notice I did not say I agreed with the war policy–only that the financial cost is so far less than what you are advocating.

If you want to talk about the cost in lives or enemies, I suggest you make that explicitly clear next time.

@Zeppelin795

Wrong again.
You assume only the pharma companies can formulate medicines. When their primary goal is to maximize profits at any cost, which leads to keeping more effective, less costly alternatives from coming to the market that they can’t compete with and make billions from.

No. Same tired mantra from you. They CAN and DO formulate medicines. Ones we use millions of times each day in hospitals across the country.

Not my fault you can’t read or think.

[Aragorn]

Thought this was hilarious, coming as it does on the heels of this thread’s train wreck, and coming from Vox of all places:

America might be ready for democratic socialism. It’s not ready for the bill.

[dt79]

@Zeppelin795

So, what would you call it?

The question is what we should call you. A liar willing to distort facts to achieve his agenda would be most appropriate. We’ve been letting a lot of things go because we’ve been giving you the benefit of the doubt that this was not your intent despite your actions since this is a casual exchange.

[dt79]

@Zeppelin795

On the whole, overall health spending would decline slightly, even as more people got access to care. Rand estimates that net health care costs, including new taxes, would fall for 90% of the state’s residents, while they’d rise for the top 10% of earners.

My heart just bleeds for the top 10%. Doesn’t yours?

See? The underlying ideology of socialism rears it’s ugly head.

You have utterly no shame when using the power of numbers to make the government legally take money from others who are more well off than you.

@dt79

SOCIALISM
The “lower/working class” collectively represented by GOVERNMENT is the Dictatorship of the Proleteriate.

Dictatorship of the Proleteriate

@dt79

“Dictatorship does not necessarily mean the abolition of democracy for the class that exercises the dictatorship over other classes; but it does mean the abolition of democracy (or very material restriction, which is also a form of abolition) for the class over which, or against which, the dictatorship is exercised.”

— Vladimir Lenin

First it was the 1%.

Now it’s the top 10%.

Next it will be the top 20%, then 30% and so on.

This is what you call a government “by the People and for the People”?

@Zeppelin795

So you adopt what works and disregard what doesn’t.

@dt79

This will not happen if the party has not separated itself from it’s underlying ideology.

^Proves exactly my point.

Not every socialist may be a communist, but every communist is a socialist.

“We are not utopians and we do not “dream” of immediately having no administration or subordination(THIS IS COMMUNISM); these are anarchist dreams and are based on a lack of understanding of the tasks of the dictatorship of the proletariat. At root they are foreign to Marxism and in practice they only delay the socialist revolution until the time when human nature is different. No, we want a socialist revolution with people as they are now-with people who cannot do without subordination, without supervision, without “overseers and auditors”. (THIS IS SOCIALISM)”

------ Vladmir Lenin

This is why socialist governments always result in totalitarianism.

“Marxist-Leninists = Happy socialist country”

----- Zep (2018)

[anon50325502]

@Aragorn

Thought this was hilarious, coming as it does on the heels of this thread’s train wreck, and coming from Vox of all places:

The “democratic socialism” agenda would cost $42 trillion over 10 years - Vox

It’s okay, we’ll just print more money from the magic money press!

[anon50325502]

@dt79

See? The underlying ideology of socialism rears it’s ugly head.

You have utterly no shame when using the power of numbers to make the government legally take money from others who are more well off than you.

Bro, it’s WORKER OWNED means of production. Why is that so hard to understand!

Think co-ops!

Every time he posts I think of Dax Shepard in Idiocracy. “I like money”.

Idiocracy "I like money"

[dt79]

@anon50325502

Think co-ops!

What these fellows don’t get is that co-ops would be closer to COMMUNISM.

They’ve obviously never heard of hippy communes(communism; communes, geddit you morons?).

Socialism = Statist
Communism = Stateless

“The proletariat seizes state power and turns the means of production into state property to begin with. (<--------SOCIALISM) But thereby it abolishes itself as the proletariat, abolishes all class distinctions and class antagonisms and abolishes the state as state. (<------- COMMMUNISM)” (“The Withering Away of the State”)

------- Frederick Engels, Marx’s fuck buddy

The first phase (socialism) never goes into the next phase(communism) because you have given the government FULL POWER OVER THE STATE. Anyone with such power will NEVER GIVE IT UP.

[anon50325502]

Lol, ya. Zep is completely clueless. I don’t even say that to be a dick. It’s a fact. I continue to come back because it’s baffling what he comes up with. Who just makes up their own definition of a word knowing (assumingly) other people a) know the definition or b) can just look it up in the fucking dictionary?

Zep, the clown prince of T-nation.

[dt79]

@anon50325502

It’s okay, we’ll just print more money from the magic money press!

Bernie will print the money. Cortez will shit penicillin.

Everything will be fine!

[anon50325502]

Let’s get back to Single-Payer:

Okay, let’s assume by switching to M4A we save $10B/year.

Questions:

1. How much less economic activity and tax revenue is generated with a 40% cut in payouts to healthcare professions?
2. There are roughly 6,000 insurance companies in the US employing 2,600,000 workers. Where the fuck are these people going to work under M4A and how will their likely unemployment/underemployment affect economic activity and tax generation?
3. Why is it “evil” for capitalists to ship jobs overseas to save money, but not “evil” for the government to eliminate an entire industry putting 2M+ people out of work (and eliminating about 3% of GDP)?
4. Does anyone honestly think experimental treatments (like Stem Cell treatments) will suddenly be available in the US under M4A or does everyone (well most people) realize there will actually be less treatment options in the US?
5. Medicare, Medicaid, and social security are headed for insolvency. How can we fix them while simultaneously adding $3.2T/annually to the federal budget? That’s like 175% (or something like that I’m not looking the numbers up) of the current budget.
6. With states being taken out of the healthcare equation why would the Fed (FDA/HHS) legalize MJ for medical use?

Questions just to start.