Need Help With Career Choice

I’d say listen to mrdoad and Warrior4Jah.

Man, you’re 17. You’ve been in a path of studies all your life, protected (I’m assuming this, so correct me if I’m wrong). You didn’t have challenges yet, as I don’t see any path towards which you feel the need to go.

I’ve been there, as at 15 yo, I was given a choice : study or work. I chose work, as I didn’t have much mood for studies, no support either (my mother died, father in a depression). I went through 5 years of deep shit, learning about life, doing something I didn’t like year after year. Then I saw what was important to me, what was not, what made me mad, what made me happy. And took up studies again, married and had two children. I’m now 30 and happy, more than ever.

What I’m saying is NOT go heads down towards something NOR let yourself flow.

Choose to confront yourself with life, in a way you see wise :
Get a job. Go on a trip somewhere culturally different. Go help an association worthy of your time. Whatever.

Challenge your view of the world, face it with the view you have of YOUR world.

Then think. What did you feel towards that situation, that occupation, that goal? What made you mad, proud, happy, depressed? Any other feeling will do. THEN you’ll have a better knowledge of yourself, and you may choose what you wish to do.

Do not let yourself flow through life, face yourself with the world, then make choices, wise ones.

Cheers mate, hope this helps.
Thor

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

The thing is, the average salary of an engineer (starting out) is about 55k a year. That is your starting salary as an “engineer” (more like manager) in the army.
I am really torn on this.
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if you are ever interested in talking to an Engineer-branched officer in the military, let me know.

probably the best decision i ever made: i’m 23 years old, with a good job, a great future, and while all my other friends are in debt, i have more money than i know what to do with.

[quote]Warrior4Jah wrote:

I say all this because I want ya to know that’s it’s okay to take your time figuring this all out. [/quote]

This is horrible advice. LIFE PASSES BY QUICKLY, move the fuck out of your parents basement and start living it.

You don’t have to pick what you are going to do for the rest of your life right now, but don’t fuck around being a retard either.

Go to college. Take all your core classes and see which subjects interest you. Drink a lot and bang many a woman. But HAVE A GOD DAMN PLAN AND SOME DIRECTION. Don’t go in and “see where the wind takes you.” That is foolish. By your Junior year you should have a sold plan and career choice. And you shouldn’t have VD.

Have some goals in life and accomplish them. For example, if you like math, take a lot of math course, including accounting and finance. If you like to write take some English courses and prepare to be poor and under-appreciated for the rest of your life. The list goes on, and ROTC isn’t a bad idea either.

Also, read a god damn newspaper once in awhile. Anyone suggesting a degree in finance right now is a total dipshit. Good luck getting a job there any time soon.

you sound like my kid. the military is great for a young guy. i remember when i was in the AF, new 2Lt, $1000 a month (1980), more money than i could spend, flying a fighter, living a dream come true.

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

The thing is, the average salary of an engineer (starting out) is about 55k a year. That is your starting salary as an “engineer” (more like manager) in the army.
I am really torn on this.
[/quote]

if you are ever interested in talking to an Engineer-branched officer in the military, let me know.

probably the best decision i ever made: i’m 23 years old, with a good job, a great future, and while all my other friends are in debt, i have more money than i know what to do with. [/quote]

I got my degree in Mech. Engineering. Now I work for the FDNY. Wasted 4 years and nearly 40,000. Check out zacheven-esh.com/blog/ He has a pretty good business model set up that might fit your criteria. Wish I could turn back the hands of time.

[quote]fisch wrote:
Bare with me here. I’m 17, senior in high school, and going to college soon. Problem is, I have no clue what. I an need to decide soon for some careers (like engineering). I’m a very hard worker and am inteligent (32 on ACT), so almost any career is possible if I put my mind to it, I just need help finding a direction.

Something people always tell me is find something you love. Well, I don’t “love” anything really. I have things I am good at and like somewhat like business and math more then most subjects, I have hobbies like weightlifting, but I can’t think of ways to choose a career that will be challenging, interesting, and pertains to weightlifting while making good money (I don’t care if I make $100 k or $60k or whatever, I just want enough money to be able to support myself and my future family. Money isn’t happiness to me.)

So what I’m really asking is can anybody give me some career choices that fit my criteria that I could do some more research into? Right now im looking at engineering or actuary, but it’s not likely i’ll become an engineer. I’m kind of stressing out about my lack of direction, and I would really appreciate advice.[/quote]

Go ROTC…Navy or Airforce. Physical Therapist, is a great career IMO. Help people from all walks of life and help improve their lives. What’s more rewarding than that? Plus great money, which just grows greatly with experience. Plus you’ll get to learn a lot about the human body. I’m sure it’s something you’re passionate about if you’re on this site here.

Plus after you log 400 hours as a PT. You can further your career and get into say a Physician Assistant program. Both these careers leave you living comfortably by all means and demand is always HIGH.

Look into it, it just might interest you.

Whatever you do, just don’t try to fit a square peg in a round hole. If something isn’t working out, switch directions. I wish I had earlier.

[quote]samdiesel wrote:
I got my degree in Mech. Engineering. Now I work for the FDNY. Wasted 4 years and nearly 40,000. Check out zacheven-esh.com/blog/ He has a pretty good business model set up that might fit your criteria. Wish I could turn back the hands of time.[/quote]

Can you elaborate?

[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:

[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

The thing is, the average salary of an engineer (starting out) is about 55k a year. That is your starting salary as an “engineer” (more like manager) in the army.
I am really torn on this.
[/quote]

if you are ever interested in talking to an Engineer-branched officer in the military, let me know. [/quote]
Yeah, shoot. Let’s hear it.

[quote]fisch wrote:
Bare with me here. I’m 17, senior in high school, and going to college soon. Problem is, I have no clue what. I an need to decide soon for some careers (like engineering). I’m a very hard worker and am inteligent (32 on ACT), so almost any career is possible if I put my mind to it, I just need help finding a direction.

Something people always tell me is find something you love. Well, I don’t “love” anything really. I have things I am good at and like somewhat like business and math more then most subjects, I have hobbies like weightlifting, but I can’t think of ways to choose a career that will be challenging, interesting, and pertains to weightlifting while making good money (I don’t care if I make $100 k or $60k or whatever, I just want enough money to be able to support myself and my future family. Money isn’t happiness to me.)

So what I’m really asking is can anybody give me some career choices that fit my criteria that I could do some more research into? Right now im looking at engineering or actuary, but it’s not likely i’ll become an engineer. I’m kind of stressing out about my lack of direction, and I would really appreciate advice.[/quote]
Sorry for the triple post but i realized i did not address the OP properly.

You have many jobs, and many of them are respectable.
You can be a cop, or a soldier, or a pharmacist or whatever you like.
I don’t know about the states, but in Canada, soldiers and cops make good money (+60k within the first 4 years of enlisting).

If you look at a profession or anything requiring a university degree, consider the following:

Biology and chemistry degrees on their own are useless.
You use your biology and chemistry degree as a stepping stone to something else. In most cases, it’s medicine. That means regardless of your career choice, you will need to go to a master’s or phd level to be able to acquire a good job.

Many people drop out of engineer (it is difficult) and switch to chemistry and biology because it’s “easier” (not always the case). However, they don’t know that at the end of the day, they will have to put in much more school work (7 years of work as opposed to 4 years).

In most cases it’ll be research or medicine related (doctor, pharmacist and whatnot).
That means a guaranteed 5-10 years of schooling before you get a ‘good’ job.
Physics major is the same deal. Somewhat “useless” on their own, their application is best seen on the research level (masters or phd). Again, we’re talking approx. 7 years of schooling.

Math is a different beast. You could go the way of accounting or, again, research.
If you wish to teach at the high school level, you need a university degree.
If you wish to teach at the university level, you need a phd.

Now, engineering is something that is “special”, because it’s a stand alone.
To be an engineer you don’t need a master or phd. You can be a successful engineer after your initial 4-5 years of schooling with a B. Eng. In Canada, after you get your degree, you are required to work 4 years as an intern.

I don’t know how it works in the states. When I say intern, I mean you are supervised by a senior professional engineer and well paid for your work.

The reason for this 4 year intern is the impact you have.
If a doctor makes a mistake, he might end a life. If an engineer makes a mistake, he might end lives.

That being said, you are practically guaranteed a job, paid well and have a variety of things you can work on.

You can go in to law as a lawyer, which is also about 7 years. You start with your 4 years of university, then you must 3 more years of work by doing bar admissions and exams, etc.

Nursing is a profession and a good one too. There are negative connotations that nursing is girly but that is not the case. Nursing is as important as doctors. Think of doctors as generals, and nurses as sargeants. The nurses do most of the important, technical work while the doctors do more of the important theoretical work.

However, that being said, doctors are the key players on the operating table because of that theoretical work they know.
If you want to take care of people, and help out, nurse is a good choice. Doctor is also a good choice, in it’s own way. Both are important.

Doctors will make more but it may be a drain on your life. You will save lives (if that is what you end up doing as surgery or otherwise) but you will see some things that may not allow you to sleep at night.

Regardless, if it was up to me i’d go as doctor.
Architect is also a good profession and somewhat similar to civil engineering.
Business: if you make it, you might make it big but it’s a very tough field to actually make it.

If you want an idea of what to do, I’d go search on the web on exactly what each profession, or job you are in interested in, does and check the library. Ask people (family members of friends, teachers or maybe your own family friends).
I am biased towards engineering. All professions and jobs are good. I have not named them all here because there are thousands of them. I named most of the professions though.

Good luck

Engineer ----> Intership ----> Work Experience ----> MBA ----> Make Monies

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[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:

[quote]samdiesel wrote:
I got my degree in Mech. Engineering. Now I work for the FDNY. Wasted 4 years and nearly 40,000. Check out zacheven-esh.com/blog/ He has a pretty good business model set up that might fit your criteria. Wish I could turn back the hands of time.[/quote]

Can you elaborate?[/quote]

The military is good for a certain kind of person. I wouldn’t push the kid towards that especially when he’s got a very good chance of being sent to an active warzone and having a limb blown off.

OP- Go to college. Figure it out there. At 17, you got all the time in the world.

just go to a big school, take alot of general requirement credits and then pick a major. i started out as computer science, ended up in economics at a different school, and i now work for an investment company. i dont love what i do but it suits my lifestyle. i dont think many people ever love what they do…

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
The military is good for a certain kind of person. I wouldn’t push the kid towards that especially when he’s got a very good chance of being sent to an active warzone and having a limb blown off.

OP- Go to college. Figure it out there. At 17, you got all the time in the world. [/quote]

Do all branches of the military see the same type of action (frontlines)? Would someone in the airforce who wants to be an engineer be put into an active zone the same way someone in the army would? Hope that makes sense. My brother is considering this and I was curious.

OP- I’m twice your age and still trying to figure it out. I offer you the little I’ve learned so far:

a) Though it sounds like you won’t, IF you decide to become a liberal arts major, make sure you get a dual degree in your major + Education b/c you won’t easily find a job w/ just an English, History, Journalism, Spanish, or what have you degree. You don’t want to lay around or work shitty jobs, trust me.
An exception is if you want to study languages for which there is a huge demand in business and government: Mandarin, Cantonese, Arabic.

b) if you at some point in college (or now) have dreams of opening a business, do it right after college. Don’t wait. The older you get, the more obstacles will come up to doing this: lifestyle, mortgage, wife, kids etc. Microsoft, And1, Nike are all examples of companies started right after college or w/out graduating from college.

c) do as many internships as possible. This is critical to finding out whether you really want a job in that field. I did a horrible internship, realized that it wasn’t what I wanted to do.

d) PT, Nursing, engineering, hard sciences, math are all valid majors with strong job possibilities. One of my close friends made 200K last year doing PT (he majored in bio). Here in the NYC/Nj area male nurses are in high demand, pulling in as much as 800+ per 12 hour shift. Also, keep in mind as someone pointed out that the sciences are usually just a stop on the way to grad school and further study. In fact, my other frie
nd who majored in bio never went further and is a lab tech at 50 gs, which I made after only 4 years teaching.

e) definitely take classes in many different subjects

Good luck

I just wanted to chime in to let you know that you are not alone. I am 24, graduated college w/ a Physics major and Business minor and still have no damn clue what to do. This has really hit me hard lately, so it’s something I am trying to figure out too.

No advice there, just wishing you luck. Don’t wait too long or life will start to pass you by…

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
By your Junior year you should have a sold plan and career choice. And you shouldn’t have VD.

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Best advice in the thread.

2 years of humanities and core BS and then you can decide - that’s plenty of time.

[quote]fisch wrote:
Bare with me here. I’m 17, senior in high school, and going to college soon. Problem is, I have no clue what. I an need to decide soon for some careers (like engineering). I’m a very hard worker and am inteligent (32 on ACT), so almost any career is possible if I put my mind to it, I just need help finding a direction.

Something people always tell me is find something you love. Well, I don’t “love” anything really. I have things I am good at and like somewhat like business and math more then most subjects, I have hobbies like weightlifting, but I can’t think of ways to choose a career that will be challenging, interesting, and pertains to weightlifting while making good money (I don’t care if I make $100 k or $60k or whatever, I just want enough money to be able to support myself and my future family. Money isn’t happiness to me.)

So what I’m really asking is can anybody give me some career choices that fit my criteria that I could do some more research into? Right now im looking at engineering or actuary, but it’s not likely i’ll become an engineer. I’m kind of stressing out about my lack of direction, and I would really appreciate advice.[/quote]

Im chime in here… First, figure out what your good at / like doing in general. Are you a hands on person? Do you like running software to do analysis? can you think in 3-D? I am asking as an engineering PhD student. Engineering has 1000+ facets where you need different skill sets. I hate running computer simulations and like working with my hands so I took a path where I gather the data and run the tests to help the physisists make better numerical models. Some people run the software or do the building, others manage…

If you like weight lifting and dont want to be a trainer look into doing research? work for drug companies? Pharamacy and understand interactions within the body? Delivery systems, Exercise physisology?

I have said this before in other college threads but I’ll say it again. Whatever you do decide on, always ask graduate students / seniors in a program how easy it is / was to get internships and co-ops and jobs. Make sure the teachers can help you with this, some schools have “great names” but their profs spend more time traveling internationally then they do guiding graduate / undergraduate research…

Make sure you join technical societies and attend the monthly meetings. Most societies have 20 dollar a year student members and will pay for your dinner at the meeting (free food !!). Plus it gives you access to scholarships and the people making the descion will be at that meeting, talk to them, ask what they do and how they got into it, ask for a summer job !

Too many students expect people to come to them and end up graduating with no prospects, the ones who do undergraduate research or help a grad student, get jobs, and apply for scholarships and internships are always the ones who have an easier time finding a job and they also get the benifit of knowing that they actually like the field they picked !!

If you have any questions about engineering pm me and I’ll get back to you pretty fast… I’ve done mechaniacal, metallurgy and materials with a math and physics minor…

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
By your Junior year you should have a sold plan and career choice. And you shouldn’t have VD.

[/quote]

Best advice in the thread.

2 years of humanities and core BS and then you can decide - that’s plenty of time. [/quote]

I don’t know if I agree with the advice of going and taking your core classes. Generally speaking it is always best to have a plan. It makes the choices you have to make easier by providing guidance. You want to have a defined goal, principal, and direction. This is true for all things and choices in life. That said this doesn’t mean the plan can’t change, plans change for all sorts of reasons that you may control or not.

I reccomend that you atleast start out with an idea of achieving an education where the degree has a defined profession attached to it. In your case it sounds like engineering. I have seen too many intelligent communications majors wasting away working at the GAP. Believe me if you think you will be bored working as an engineer, these people are about to kill themselves.