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And im not worries about my hematocrit levels because my blood pressure was only slightly elevated, i used low dose aspirin, and i had no symptoms of serious problems. And upon further research, i just read, as i said in my first post- "a higher hematocrit level signifies the blood sample’s ability to transport oxygen,[16] which has led to reports that an “optimal hematocrit level” possibly exists.

Optimal hematocrit levels have been studied through combinations of assays on blood sample’s hematocrit itself, viscosity, and hemoglobin level. hematocrit has the strongest impact on whole blood viscosity. One unit increase in hematocrit can cause up to a 4% increase in blood viscosity.[2] This relationship becomes increasingly sensitive as hematocrit increases. When the hematocrit rises to 60 or 70%, which it often does in polycythemia,[4] the blood viscosity can become as great as 10 times that of water, and its flow through blood vessels is greatly retarded because of increased resistance to flow.[5] This will lead to decreased oxygen delivery."
anyways I found a cycling forum with posts on this stuff, got all the info I need, thanks.

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Not sure if your mocking me or what… i literally do and he doesnt know the science worth a shit, he simply listens to a coach, thats why he is of no ise to my problem, which i figured out myself. And clearly this dude doesnt know a pro, or anything about professional bb, he said-

“If someone is uneducated, they may know that pro body builders run a lot of gear so they think, “I can run a lot of steroids and get huge.” They don’t. Body builders get big from eating a shitload of (generally high quality) food and doing a huge volume of hypertrophy training. The food is what allows the BB to gain mass. The hypertrophy training is what grows specific muscles. The gear comes into play after the other stuff is sorted. It allows the BB to recover from such a massive amount of training and it allows them to build their mass with a very favorable muscle/fat ratio.”

Let me give you just one week of a smart ifbb competitors drug regiment-

100 mg Testosterone suspension administered daily

100 mg injectable stanzozolol administered three times per week

228 mg/wk trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate

200 mg/wk dromostanolone

15 IU/day growth hormone

1.05 mg/day tiratricol

daily dose of 160 mcg clenbuterol with ketotifen and 100 mcg t3

25 mg/day oxandrolone

Local injections with formyldienolone

Anyways, I don’t feel like talking like a scientist or name dropping and shit to get any credit here, if you have any useful info…cool…just thought it would be easy so I don’t have to look myself

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And as far as peptides go, ghrp2,6 cjc no dac, ipamoralin, hexarelin, mk2866, I have them all, not sure if they do much except the ostarine wasn’t bad. The rest is a waste of time and money. Who wants to be doing sub q injections 3 times a day anyways? people have jobs lol.

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I wasn’t mocking or trying to be rude, just making the point that no one cares what your pro friend uses because we all know pros and know what they use. It doesn’t really prove or disprove any point that anyone makes.

I wouldn’t worry about trying to argue with that Fat Boy dude. He’s an idiot.

As to your original question: most of the fighters I know use a moderate dose of test with things like anavar, winstrol and/or masteron. Whether that’s the right or wrong thing to do, I don’t know. I suppose what’s good for one athlete would be much the same for another.

You’ll just have to try it and see. As for the RBC thing, all steroids’ll do it and I’m not sure whether there’s any scientific evidence that EQ actually does it to any greater degree. The only drug we know for sure that does would be EPO and I dunno whether you’d want to fuck around with that shit.

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Omg I still can’t believe that dude said “you don’t have a clue what’s going on here so stop talking and start listening” I don’t have a fkking clue? I’m gonna have an aneurysm. you sound like a natty crossfitter or something, wtf makes you think you know- when no where did you even mention your experience with any aas.

Empyrical evidence is much more valuable than you Wikipediaing shit, sure you could read that oxymethenelone increases rbc and erythroproteins as much as eq, but unless you used it, you you may not know it will give you a god damn double chin from water retention even with adex and low sodium in my experience. You will get ridiculous pumps and after 1 fking set omshoulder flies you can barely lift your arms, but im sure youd say , “you dont have a clue, train harder” or something retarded. and as far as motocross do you even know what a scrub is? How about leg swag?

Riding a 450 race bike over breaking bumps and through ruts isn’t the same as riding your xr 80 from fkking middle school. Anyways I totally lost my cool, maybe you do know stuff. I’m going to bed now, almost had a goddamm fkking stroke. I need some hawthorn berry to lower my godam BP now, jk, I don’t have a clue, I’ll do more cardio .

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Thank you Yogi , appreciate it. I am low carbing and can’t sleep because I took pre workout too late.

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[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

[quote]Fat Boy 33 wrote:
I wasn’t trying to disprove anything you said.

Good talk.[/quote]

whatever dude.

you’re the one that claimed AAS can’t increase endurance…[/quote]

CBM,

You’re one of the most knowledgeable guys on the board. I’m interested in your thoughts on the matter. I obviously have my own, but that doesn’t mean I’m against having a discussion. It might very well be that I learn something.

My thoughts, which maybe I’ve been unclear on:

  1. Increased hematocrit levels have the ability to increase endurance capability on its own if your body is aerobically fit enough to take advantage of the increased oxygen transport capabilities.

  2. AAS (with the exception of the effect of rising hematocrit levels) without endurance training will not automatically increase endurance capacity.

  3. The primary gain that endurance athletes get with AAS is quicker/more complete recovery which allows more volume/higher intensity training.

  4. A secondary gain than endurance athletes get with AAS is increased muscle adaptations due to a higher training load.

If I’m wrong on any of this, I’m genuinely interested in being better informed.

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[quote]cannondelts wrote:

“If someone is uneducated, they may know that pro body builders run a lot of gear so they think, “I can run a lot of steroids and get huge.” They don’t. Body builders get big from eating a shitload of (generally high quality) food and doing a huge volume of hypertrophy training. The food is what allows the BB to gain mass. The hypertrophy training is what grows specific muscles. The gear comes into play after the other stuff is sorted. It allows the BB to recover from such a massive amount of training and it allows them to build their mass with a very favorable muscle/fat ratio.”

Let me give you just one week of a smart ifbb competitors drug regiment-
[/quote]

Don’t misunderstand me. Of course a IFBB competitor will have a large list of pharmaceuticals. I was never trying to say they don’t. What I’m getting at is that the AAS are not what makes the man. 5 grams of gear doesn’t grow into 25 kg of muscle, a shitload of food does. These guys eat a ton. The gear and the training turns it into muscle in the appropriate spots. The food and training are vital components to the mix.

I just re-read my first long post. I understand why it came across poorly.

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[quote]cannondelts wrote:
I am low carbing [/quote]

This can be good for dropping weight, but it can also have a big effect on athletic performance.

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[quote]cannondelts wrote:
And im not worries about my hematocrit levels because my blood pressure was only slightly elevated, i used low dose aspirin, and i had no symptoms of serious problems. And upon further research, i just read, as i said in my first post- "a higher hematocrit level signifies the blood sample’s ability to transport oxygen,[16] which has led to reports that an “optimal hematocrit level” possibly exists.

Optimal hematocrit levels have been studied through combinations of assays on blood sample’s hematocrit itself, viscosity, and hemoglobin level. hematocrit has the strongest impact on whole blood viscosity. One unit increase in hematocrit can cause up to a 4% increase in blood viscosity.[2] This relationship becomes increasingly sensitive as hematocrit increases. When the hematocrit rises to 60 or 70%, which it often does in polycythemia,[4] the blood viscosity can become as great as 10 times that of water, and its flow through blood vessels is greatly retarded because of increased resistance to flow.[5] This will lead to decreased oxygen delivery."
anyways I found a cycling forum with posts on this stuff, got all the info I need, thanks. [/quote]

I’ve never heard of anyone even close to 70%. Those levels never crossed my mind. There probably is some sort of upper bound on the effectiveness of elevated hematocrit levels. I know that from 40-45% is a gain. From 45-50% is a gain. I’ve read about a cyclists that was nicknamed Mr. 60% and he won the Tour de France. Beyond that is the wild west.

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[quote]Fat Boy 33 wrote:

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

[quote]Fat Boy 33 wrote:
I wasn’t trying to disprove anything you said.

Good talk.[/quote]

whatever dude.

you’re the one that claimed AAS can’t increase endurance…[/quote]

CBM,

You’re one of the most knowledgeable guys on the board. I’m interested in your thoughts on the matter. I obviously have my own, but that doesn’t mean I’m against having a discussion. It might very well be that I learn something.

My thoughts, which maybe I’ve been unclear on:

  1. Increased hematocrit levels have the ability to increase endurance capability on its own if your body is aerobically fit enough to take advantage of the increased oxygen transport capabilities.

  2. AAS (with the exception of the effect of rising hematocrit levels) without endurance training will not automatically increase endurance capacity.

  3. The primary gain that endurance athletes get with AAS is quicker/more complete recovery which allows more volume/higher intensity training.

  4. A secondary gain than endurance athletes get with AAS is increased muscle adaptations due to a higher training load.

If I’m wrong on any of this, I’m genuinely interested in being better informed.[/quote]

i think you’re right for the most part of what you’ve said.

however, we’ve seen studies where people using AAS without training have been able to outperform people who trained but didn’t use AAS. <granted, that study largely monitored strength and LBM. but, RBC is not the only change in endurance, as fibers increase cells (type I and II), there’s an increase in mitochondria, neural efficiency, etc, not to mention the increase in recovery or ability to train more (and have the increase training time to develop skill).

i think we would all agree, to get the maximal benefit, one needs to train for endurance while adding in AAS. however, we also know that AAS can increase “endurance” (meaning many of the processes that contribute to muscular and cardiovascular endurance) over a guy that doesn’t use them. meaning, an untrained athlete with AAS is gonna have a bigger gas tank than an untrained athlete without AAS, just like an athlete with AAS is gonna outperform an athlete without AAS. (generally speaking, obviously natural talent and skill can change the outcome).

there’s some research that shows that once an athlete uses AAS, they are never really “natural” again, due to the changes in muscle fibers, etc…

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[quote]cannondelts wrote:
Does anyone know a muscle endurance, performance enhancing cycle or what? Like a cycle a boxer, mixed martial artist, or road cyclist would use…?
[/quote]

Alot of fighters run Halotestin for the strength & aggression.
Anderson Silva got busted for running masteron.

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[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

there’s some research that shows that once an athlete uses AAS, they are never really “natural” again, due to the changes in muscle fibers, etc…[/quote]

Straying off topic a bit… I think this might be my favorite thing I’ve learned about AAS. That there’s essentially a ‘forever’ benefit. The fact that there’s even the potential for me to perform above a natural level long after I’ve been off is pretty sweet. Most of us, in practical terms, don’t want to be ‘on’ for the rest of our lives.

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

there’s some research that shows that once an athlete uses AAS, they are never really “natural” again, due to the changes in muscle fibers, etc…[/quote]

Straying off topic a bit… I think this might be my favorite thing I’ve learned about AAS. That there’s essentially a ‘forever’ benefit. The fact that there’s even the potential for me to perform above a natural level long after I’ve been off is pretty sweet. Most of us, in practical terms, don’t want to be ‘on’ for the rest of our lives.[/quote]

yup. as long as one keeps training smart and eating clean, the benefits remain a lot longer than some folks claim…

prolly the same people who claimed that steroids didn’t work.

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[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

there’s some research that shows that once an athlete uses AAS, they are never really “natural” again, due to the changes in muscle fibers, etc…[/quote]

I know there’s been talk about the WADA 2 year suspensions being made permanent specifically because of this.

I hadn’t read about such large gains in untrained AAS users. That’s pretty interesting.

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[quote]Fat Boy 33 wrote:

[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:

there’s some research that shows that once an athlete uses AAS, they are never really “natural” again, due to the changes in muscle fibers, etc…[/quote]

I know there’s been talk about the WADA 2 year suspensions being made permanent specifically because of this.

I hadn’t read about such large gains in untrained AAS users. That’s pretty interesting.[/quote]

^here’s an interesting read…

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science!

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[quote]Yogi wrote:
science![/quote]

LMAO!

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A class mx same deal was fine begging of the season been on ten/test/hgh 4 weeks right arm locked solid everytime especially 2-3 days after test/tren shot is at its peak. It’s not your technique or bike set up lol I’m sure u been riding for years you know your body.