By the way, if you feel Robertson should be put in prison for months over mere words, you must want to see Hamas members jailed for life, right?
Or, their Iranian compatriots? No, no, of course not. Hell, how about jailing Iranian officials for life due the real deaths in Iraq carried out by terrorists trained and armed by Iran?
You have made a giant mistake with your Robertson tirade.
No one takes him as a credible voice. Do we listen to crazy people? No. Do we lend credence to those that act on their words? Yes. There is no equality in comparison to Robertson and Bin Laden.
I don’t listen to Robertson, 'cause he’s a loon. To put him in jail would be the best publicity he could get.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
By the way, if you feel Robertson should be put in prison for months over mere words, you must want to see Hamas members jailed for life, right? [/quote]
Well, that’s a different story. Israel is occupying them. Had Venezuela been occupying the US, your analogy might work then.
The ones that openly call for assassinating foreign country’s leaders? Definitely!
That oughta shrink the Pakistani free population a lot faster than the Iranians.
If you got solid proof, then I’d totally support that.
I know I have ample evidence of the US training and arming terrorists in Nicaragua, Cuba and numerous other countries…
[quote]kroby wrote:
No one takes him as a credible voice. Do we listen to crazy people? No. Do we lend credence to those that act on their words? Yes. There is no equality in comparison to Robertson and Bin Laden.
I don’t listen to Robertson, 'cause he’s a loon. To put him in jail would be the best publicity he could get.[/quote]
The guy is multi-millionaire.
He’s got an audience counted in millions.
He got three million people of volunteers behind him on his 1988 presidential bid.
He received the State of Israel Friendship Award from the “Zionist Organization of America”. (Sifu, I didn’t make that organization’s name up! Live with it.)
In my book, such a man yields considerable power on the world’s superpower. That’s exponentially more than what a bearded guy living in a cave in a third world country could ever dream of having.
You may not listen to him. but millions of your compatriots do.
P.S: Adding insult to injury, Robertson called the prophet Mohammed “an absolute wild-eyed fanatic �?� a robber and a brigand.”
[quote]lixy wrote:
P.S: Adding insult to injury, Robertson called the prophet Mohammed “an absolute wild-eyed fanatic �?� a robber and a brigand.”[/quote]
Well, now I know why you have the feelings you do about the guy. I still call him a loon. All the more reason to believe his words are kookoo.
Look, there’s a lot of people that burn the image of our presidents in effigy. Should we round all them up, too and what… institutionalize them? You see? You’re just knee-jerking without considering any real merit.
But, by all means, please, take Robertson away. He screws up America with his ideals. He’s a bad seed.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
By the way, if you feel Robertson should be put in prison for months over mere words, you must want to see Hamas members jailed for life, right?
Well, that’s a different story. Israel is occupying them. Had Venezuela been occupying the US, your analogy might work then.
Or, their Iranian compatriots? No, no, of course not.
The ones that openly call for assassinating foreign country’s leaders? Definitely!
That oughta shrink the Pakistani free population a lot faster than the Iranians.
Hell, how about jailing Iranian officials for life due the real deaths in Iraq carried out by terrorists trained and armed by Iran?
If you got solid proof, then I’d totally support that.
I know I have ample evidence of the US training and arming terrorists in Nicaragua, Cuba and numerous other countries…[/quote]
Oh, I see, so you’re quick to justify Islamic terrorists who shoot patients in hospitals, throw prisoners off the roofs of tall buildings, call for the destruction of a nation in their charter in the name of Allah, instruct children in the virtues of wearing suicide vests…etc. etc.
But let Robertson suggest the operatives take out Chavez instead of a full scale war…Give me a break. I can’t believe you even tried to dodge the Hamas thing. Take that Hypocrisy charge and wear it around your own neck.
Proof of Iran’s involvement in Iraq, and now Afghanistan has been well documented in this forum. And you damn well know that. Don’t sit there acting ignorant about it.
Not to mention Mahmoud declaring that Israel needed to “Wiped off the map.” His speech was reported by Al Jazeera, in fact. If there’s any doubt what he meant, here’s the context.
[i]“As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map,” said Ahmadinejad, referring to Iran’s revolutionary leader Ayat Allah Khomeini.
“We should not settle for a piece of land,” he said of Israel’s pullout from the Gaza Strip.
“Anyone who signs a treaty which recognises the entity of Israel means he has signed the surrender of the Muslim world,” Ahmadinejad said.
“Any leaders in the Islamic umma who recognise Israel face the wrath of their own people.”
“There is no doubt that the new wave (of attacks) in Palestine will soon wipe off this disgraceful blot (Israel) from the face of the Islamic world.”
“Ahmadinejad has clearly declared the doctrine of his government. He is returning Iran to the revolutionary goals it was pursuing in the 1980s,” said Mohammad Sadeq Hosseini, an expert on Middle Eastern affairs.
“By these comments, Ahmadinejad is committing himself to those goals. He is also sending the message that his government won’t back down.”
[quote]lixy wrote:
kroby wrote:
No one takes him as a credible voice. Do we listen to crazy people? No. Do we lend credence to those that act on their words? Yes. There is no equality in comparison to Robertson and Bin Laden.
I don’t listen to Robertson, 'cause he’s a loon. To put him in jail would be the best publicity he could get.
The guy is multi-millionaire.
He’s got an audience counted in millions.
He got three million people of volunteers behind him on his 1988 presidential bid.
He received the State of Israel Friendship Award from the “Zionist Organization of America”. (Sifu, I didn’t make that organization’s name up! Live with it.)
In my book, such a man yields considerable power on the world’s superpower. That’s exponentially more than what a bearded guy living in a cave in a third world country could ever dream of having.
You may not listen to him. but millions of your compatriots do.
P.S: Adding insult to injury, Robertson called the prophet Mohammed “an absolute wild-eyed fanatic �?� a robber and a brigand.”[/quote]
Man, you look foolish. That guy in the cave actually has leadership over an organization killing people in various nations around the world…
This attempt to make Roberts into something more than he is, is probably the dumbest thing I’ve seen you do.
I don’t agree a whole lot with Roberts, but he did describe Mohammed rather accurately. Mohammed was a murderous bastard.
The Jewish Banu Qurayza tribe was a witness to this. As all of the men had their heads removed (having surrendered unconditionally) while the women and children were sold into slavery. I suppose after a hard day of massacering and enslaving, he could always cuddle up to his 9 year old wife.
Hell, you want to talk about occupation? How about religious minorities still paying for Islamic occupation over the mid-east? Remember the Byzantine Christians?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
By the way, if you feel Robertson should be put in prison for months over mere words, you must want to see Hamas members jailed for life, right?
Or, their Iranian compatriots? No, no, of course not. Hell, how about jailing Iranian officials for life due the real deaths in Iraq carried out by terrorists trained and armed by Iran?[/quote]
Let`s do that.
To Den Hague with all of them.
Send your miltary advisors too and everyone involved in such activities cabinet positions upwards, going back to the 60´s.
And please send a few billion too, this courts resources are limited.
Oh no, they train guerillas to kill people!
The horror!
What monsters would could possibly do or even approve of such a thing!
Children die, because of this!
Speaking of assassinations…
Israel to Kill in U.S., Allied Nations
January 16, 2003 UPI
Israel is embarking upon a more aggressive approach to the war on terror that will include staging targeted killings in the United States and other friendly countries, former Israeli intelligence officials told United Press International.
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has forbidden the practice until now, these sources said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
The Israeli statements were confirmed by more than a half dozen former and currently serving U.S. foreign policy and intelligence officials in interviews with United Press International…
Another former Israeli government official said that under Sharon, “diplomatic constraints have prevented the Mossad from carrying out ‘preventive operations’ (targeted killings) on the soil of friendly countries until now.”
He said Sharon is “reversing that policy, even if it risks complications to Israel’s bilateral relations.”
A former Israeli military intelligence source agreed: “What Sharon wants is a much more extensive and tough approach to global terrorism, and this includes greater operational maneuverability.”
Does this mean assassinations on the soil of allies?
“It does,” he said…
But the complications posed by Israel’s new policy are real.
“Israel does not have a good record at doing this sort of thing,” said former CIA counter-terrorism official Larry Johnson.
He cited the 1997 fiasco where two Mossad agents were captured after they tried to assassinate Khaled Mashaal, a Hamas political leader, by injecting him with poison.
According to Johnson, the attempt, made in Amman, Jordan, caused a political crisis in Israeli-Jordan relations. In addition, because the Israeli agents carried Canadian passports, Canada withdrew its ambassador in protest, he said. Jordan is one of two Arab nations to recognize Israel. The other is Egypt.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0116-10.htm
UN envoy condemns Israel’s extra-judicial assassinations
http://www0.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=8060&Cr=middle&Cr1=east
Netanyahu likens U.S. war to Israel’s campaign
The former prime minister said terrorism would spread to U.S. shores if Israel does not shut down Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat’s “terror factories.”
“If not destroyed, this madness will strike in your buses, in your supermarkets, in your pizza parlors, in your cafes,” he said.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/04/10/mideast.netanyahu/index.html
Watch out for the terrorists…
Two Israelis arrested with bombs in the Mexican Congress
the two arrested Israelis were also found to be carrying Pakistani passports
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/mex.html
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Proof of Iran’s involvement in Iraq, and now Afghanistan has been well documented in this forum. And you damn well know that. Don’t sit there acting ignorant about it.
Not to mention Mahmoud declaring that Israel needed to “Wiped off the map.” His speech was reported by Al Jazeera, in fact. If there’s any doubt what he meant, here’s the context.[/quote]
Wrong and wrong.
Iran ‘accused of attacks in Iraq to bolster US strategy’
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2581257.ece
Skeptics Doubt U.S. Evidence on Iran Action in Iraq
Caught Red-Handed: Media Backtracks on Iran’s ‘Threat’
Experts confirm that Iran’s president did not call for Israel to be ‘wiped off the map’
Just more crap propaganda.
Lixy,
How about a list terrorist atrocities committed under the direct command of Pat Robertson.
Surely you could find something in your vast archival anti-US database.
[quote]kroby wrote:
Look, there’s a lot of people that burn the image of our presidents in effigy. Should we round all them up, too and what… institutionalize them? You see? You’re just knee-jerking without considering any real merit. [/quote]
Burning an effigy is not the same as calling for an assassination. The latter deserves jail time in my book.
He further expressed his firm belief that the new wave of confrontations generated in Palestine and the growing turmoil in the Islamic world would in no time wipe Israel away. Ahmadinejad referred to the Zionist regime’s recent withdrawal from the Gaza Strip as a “trick,” saying Gaza is part of Palestinian territory and the withdrawal was meant to make Islamic states acknowledge the Zionist regime of Israel. Pointing to the evil attempts of the US and Israel to saw discord among warring forces in Palestine and other parts of the Islamic world, the president said such attempts were aimed at forcing some Islamic countries to acknowledge the existence of Israel. .
http://www.president.ir/eng/ahmadinejad/cronicnews/1384/08/4/index-e.htm#b3
That is from the english version of the Iranian Presidential office’s site.
Furthermore, the state controlled Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting translated it as follows:
Ahmadinejad: Israel must be wiped off the map
http://www.iribnews.ir/Full_en.asp?news_id=2002
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
How about a list terrorist atrocities committed under the direct command of Pat Robertson. [/quote]
My definition of terrorism encompasses threats of terrorism. Pat and Ayman aren’t in the same league, but that’s why pat should get a couple of months as opposed to a life sentence.
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=11745
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=11746
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=11738
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=11728
A few links concerning Iranian involvement in Iraq. The articles within the links are mainstream, so don’t mind the URL. These are all recent.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
How about a list terrorist atrocities committed under the direct command of Pat Robertson.
My definition of terrorism encompasses threats of terrorism. Pat and Ayman aren’t in the same league, but that’s why pat should get a couple of months as opposed to a life sentence.[/quote]
Why only months? After all, you’re arguing that he committed terrorism involving the taking of human life.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=11745
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=11746
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=11738
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=11728
A few links concerning Iranian involvement in Iraq. The articles within the links are mainstream, so don’t mind the URL. These are all recent.[/quote]
Your military accusing someone is not solid proof. Forgive us for not taking their word after Powell’s infamous WMDs speech.
If they really have any proof, how about taking it up with the UN? Surely that’s more constructive.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Why only months? After all, you’re arguing that he committed terrorism involving the taking of human life.[/quote]
It’s very subjective. My reasoning (and I made it clear enough) was that sentencing him to a couple of months will make sure other public figures don’t follow in his footsteps.
One question: Do you support violently taking out Chavez? If so, on what grounds?
[quote]lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Why only months? After all, you’re arguing that he committed terrorism involving the taking of human life.
It’s very subjective. My reasoning (and I made it clear enough) was that sentencing him to a couple of months will make sure other public figures don’t follow in his footsteps.
One question: Do you support violently taking out Chavez? If so, on what grounds?[/quote]
So, do you want to jail him for an actual crime? Or, as some kind of example?
No, I could care less about Chavez. But, even if I did, that’s not terrorism in itself.
Some sensible commentary from Juan Cole:
[i]"If Ahmadinejad is a genocidal maniac who just wants to kill Jews, then why are there 20,000 Jews in Iran with a member of parliament in Tehran? Couldn’t he start at home if that was what he is really about…?
These propaganda efforts against Iran and Ahmadinejad also depend on declining to enter into evidence anything else he has ever said-- like that it would be wrong to kill Jews! They also ignore that Ahmadinejad is not even the commander in chief of the Iranian armed forces.
Anyone who reads this column knows that I deeply disagree with Ahmadinejad’s policies and am not interested in defending him on most things. I profoundly disagree with his characterization of Israel, which is a legitimate United Nations member state, and find his Holocaust denial monstrous. But this quite false charge that he is genocidal is being promoted by Right-Zionists in and out of Congress as a preparatory step to getting up a US war against Iran on false pretences…
Calling for a referendum on the dissolution of a government is not calling for genocide. Ahmadinejad also says he has no objection to a Jewish state in and of itself, he just thinks it should be located in, say, German territory set apart for the purpose, rather than displacing Palestinians from their homes. He may be saying unrealistic things; he is not advocating killing Jews qua Jews, or genocide…
Was Ronald Reagan inciting to genocide when he called for an end of the Soviet regime?"[/i]
Rabbi Yisroel Weiss clarifies Ahmadinejad’s statement on Fox News
