Looks like Auburn will jump to number 2. Notre Dame will go up as well as Baylor and UCLA if they win. How far do you think Miss St. and Ole Miss will go up? The top ten will look totally different tomorrow, lol.
Just watched southern cal go down to Arizona St.
let’s see so far
#2 loses to unranked
#3 loses to #11
#4 loses to #25
#6 loses to #12
#8 loses to unranked
#14 loses to #9
#15 loses to #5
#16 loses to unranked
#17 loses to unranked
#18 loses to unranked
#19 loses to #10
We could have 2 Mississippi teams in the top 6, 2 Arizona teams in the top 20, and maybe Marshall or Kentucky in the top 25 depending how many fall out.
Satan is holding tryouts for Disney’s Demons on Ice.
[quote]silverblood wrote:
Just watched southern cal go down to Arizona St.
let’s see so far
#2 loses to unranked
#3 loses to #11
#4 loses to #25
#6 loses to #12
#8 loses to unranked
#14 loses to #9
#15 loses to #5
#16 loses to unranked
#17 loses to unranked
#18 loses to unranked
#19 loses to #10
We could have 2 Mississippi teams in the top 6, 2 Arizona teams in the top 20, and maybe Marshall or Kentucky in the top 25 depending how many fall out.
Satan is holding tryouts for Disney’s Demons on Ice.
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Haha. They said it was the first time in history 5 of the top 10 AP teams lost in the same weekend.
It’s good for college football. There is no dominant team and there are a lot of teams that can make it to the playoffs and get that national championship.
[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
[quote]silverblood wrote:
Just watched southern cal go down to Arizona St.
let’s see so far
#2 loses to unranked
#3 loses to #11
#4 loses to #25
#6 loses to #12
#8 loses to unranked
#14 loses to #9
#15 loses to #5
#16 loses to unranked
#17 loses to unranked
#18 loses to unranked
#19 loses to #10
We could have 2 Mississippi teams in the top 6, 2 Arizona teams in the top 20, and maybe Marshall or Kentucky in the top 25 depending how many fall out.
Satan is holding tryouts for Disney’s Demons on Ice.
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Haha. They said it was the first time in history 5 of the top 10 AP teams lost in the same weekend.
It’s good for college football. There is no dominant team and there are a lot of teams that can make it to the playoffs and get that national championship.[/quote]
From where it is right now though I don’t envy those committee members at all, it’s going to be a cluster fuck for probably a pair of those spots(I’m thinking FSU/ND winner, and one of the SEC teams make it out unbeaten). Have fun picking teams out of this mess.
Wa St. QB threw for 734 yards and lost.
Miss State and Ole Miss both tied at 3 in the rankings. USC gone, Stanford at 25.
That was possibly the greatest day of college football that I have ever witnessed, in my totally unbiased opinion. College Gameday back in Mississippi next week as well only this time they will be at Starkville for Auburn-Ms St. Ole Miss will see how they fair going to Texas A&M so we could get all shook up in the top 10 all over again.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
1 Florida State (35) 5-0 1461
2 Auburn (23) 5-0 1459
3 Mississippi State (2) 5-0 1320
3 Ole Miss 5-0 1320
5 Baylor 5-0 1258
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Wow looks like the south may have lost the war but is kicking ass in college ball 
TL;DR Executive Summary: Preseason/Early season polls are dumb, but things are starting to get good. We will know who is for real soon.
I think one of best things about the playoff committee is they have not done anything yet. Sure they are monitoring the other polls and that perception will inevitably have some effect, but early in the season the polls are pretty dumb.
I mean Baylor at #5 (I think Baylor is pretty good, but they have not played any one), while Aizona is #10 with a win over Oregon. Arizona is still undefeated, but behind 1-loss teams Michigan State (who lost to Oregon) and Alabama. I’m sure the people voting in the polls are just saying they think MSU and Bama will end the end have better seasons then Arizona (and I think they will), but as it sits right now it just looks stupid. You can’t put out a good poll until the end of October anyways.
Also that big week 1 game LSU and Wisconsin is looking not so great. Wisconsin lost their first conference game last week despite Gordon going for 250 while averaging 9 per carry. How does that happen? Just hand in the ball and you basically have a first down lol. Wisconsin had two QBs both play awful (QBRs of 10.1 and 8.8 lol). I do think the SEC West is the best division by far, but it gets inflated because LSU gets credit for beating Wisconsin (neither team really appears to be that good). Then all the teams in the SEC West get credit for beating LSU.
Great weekend last week, should be another good one this week.
I predict Baylor stays undefeated handing TCU their first lost. Also Ole Miss stays undefeated with a win in College Station. Finally USC gets it together and hands Arizona a loss as the Wild Cats have a let down game after beating Oregon.
I have the Gators over LSU as the Tigers continue their slide and Minnesota over Northwestern to be 2-0 in conference play.
[quote]JMac31 wrote:
TL;DR Executive Summary: Preseason/Early season polls are dumb, but things are starting to get good. We will know who is for real soon.
I think one of best things about the playoff committee is they have not done anything yet. Sure they are monitoring the other polls and that perception will inevitably have some effect, but early in the season the polls are pretty dumb.
I mean Baylor at #5 (I think Baylor is pretty good, but they have not played any one), while Aizona is #10 with a win over Oregon. Arizona is still undefeated, but behind 1-loss teams Michigan State (who lost to Oregon) and Alabama. I’m sure the people voting in the polls are just saying they think MSU and Bama will end the end have better seasons then Arizona (and I think they will), but as it sits right now it just looks stupid. You can’t put out a good poll until the end of October anyways.
Also that big week 1 game LSU and Wisconsin is looking not so great. Wisconsin lost their first conference game last week despite Gordon going for 250 while averaging 9 per carry. How does that happen? Just hand in the ball and you basically have a first down lol. Wisconsin had two QBs both play awful (QBRs of 10.1 and 8.8 lol). I do think the SEC West is the best division by far, but it gets inflated because LSU gets credit for beating Wisconsin (neither team really appears to be that good). Then all the teams in the SEC West get credit for beating LSU.
Great weekend last week, should be another good one this week.
I predict Baylor stays undefeated handing TCU their first lost. Also Ole Miss stays undefeated with a win in College Station. Finally USC gets it together and hands Arizona a loss as the Wild Cats have a let down game after beating Oregon.
I have the Gators over LSU as the Tigers continue their slide and Minnesota over Northwestern to be 2-0 in conference play.[/quote]
I actually think that LSU will probably end up dead last in the west. They have to go to Arkansas, but they get Ole Miss in death valley and that’s usually a rivalry game atmosphere and its tough to win down there.
[quote]JMac31 wrote:
I think one of best things about the playoff committee is they have not done anything yet. Sure they are monitoring the other polls and that perception will inevitably have some effect, but early in the season the polls are pretty dumb.
I mean Baylor at #5 (I think Baylor is pretty good, but they have not played any one), while Arizona is #10 with a win over Oregon. Arizona is still undefeated, but behind 1-loss teams Michigan State (who lost to Oregon) and Alabama. I’m sure the people voting in the polls are just saying they think MSU and Bama will end the end have better seasons then Arizona (and I think they will), but as it sits right now it just looks stupid. You can’t put out a good poll until the end of October anyways.
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I am 100 percent in agreement on this. I have fairly frequent disagreements with people who would keep Oregon ranked ahead of Arizona using some nonsense logic like “Well, Oregon was #4 in last week’s poll so I just can’t see dropping them all the way to #11” or “I’m not ready to rank Arizona in the top 10 yet” - it’s just the absolute height of arrogance to ignore the actual on-field data (where Arizona is 5-0 with a head to head win over Oregon, AT OREGON) and say “Golly gee, I still think Oregon is better.”
I’m all for nuance and context, of course, and I don’t think we should blindly rank undefeated teams ahead of one-loss teams. But I really, really hate it when H2H results are ignored between teams with comparable resumes because preseason expectations dictated that one team is better than another. Like you said…if Bama and MSU are actually better than Arizona, that will be proven in time, and votes can feel free to rank them ahead of Zona when the data actually support that. But as we stand today, Arizona is undefeated and beat Oregon, at Oregon, while Michigan State has a loss to Oregon in the same setting. Anyone that has MSU ranked over Arizona right now is either 1) using the whole “anchored to preseason expectations” thing explained above or 2) looking ahead and saying “Well, MSU is going to run the table because the schedule is weak, so I’m going to just rank them high under the assumption that they’ll finish with one loss but Arizona might lose a few in the PAC 12.”
Ugh. You got me all wound up and no one here has even disagreed yet. This is just a huge pet peeve of mine.
Yeah, if I was ranking them today I would struggle with the Bama-Zona placing.
I would have them:
1.Auburn
2.Mississippi State
3.Florida State (without last year to draw on they have just not looked great this year)
4.Ole Miss
5.TCU
6.Arizona
7.Alabama
8.Baylor
9.Notre Dame
10.Oklahoma
11.Oregon
12.Michigan St
13.Kansas St
14.Texas A&M
15.Ok State
16.Nebraska
17.UCLA
18.Georgia
19.ECU
20.Georgia Tech
21.Ohio State
22.Arizona State
23.Missouri
24.Clemson
25.Stanford
There is actually a lot of carryover between schedules and on the field play this year. ECU and Georgia Tech have to be over Ohio St because both of them went to Va Tech and did what OSU couldn’t do at home. Clemson and Stanford squeak in because both of them ffeel better than two loss teams. I just stuck Mizzou in there because they only have one loss but it was a very ugly one.
Nebraska and Mich state I think are both very good teams and look like the class of the B1G but Oregon losing hurt Mich St, in turn hurting Nebraska. Baylor has the most room to grow, and I cant help but penalize Notre Dame for what happened the last time they were undefeated at the end. Probably should have Zona higher than TCU because they went on the road and beat Oregon, but I personally thought Oklahoma was the best team in the country so they are getting a couple points from me there.
Also, was just pondering the scenario Ole Miss wins out except a loss to Auburn, Mississippi State beats Auburn but loses to Bama and wins the rest. There could very well be a scenario where the Egg Bowl and the Iron Bowl all have feature one loss teams that have only beat one another.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
There is actually a lot of carryover between schedules and on the field play this year. ECU and Georgia Tech have to be over Ohio St because both of them went to Va Tech and did what OSU couldn’t do at home. Clemson and Stanford squeak in because both of them ffeel better than two loss teams. I just stuck Mizzou in there because they only have one loss but it was a very ugly one.
Nebraska and Mich state I think are both very good teams and look like the class of the B1G but Oregon losing hurt Mich St, in turn hurting Nebraska. Baylor has the most room to grow, and I cant help but penalize Notre Dame for what happened the last time they were undefeated at the end. Probably should have Zona higher than TCU because they went on the road and beat Oregon, but I personally thought Oklahoma was the best team in the country so they are getting a couple points from me there. [/quote]
I tend to agree with most of your thoughts, but you have to be careful just taking every single game(and upset, because sometimes it is just an upset and not ‘the better team winning’) and going all common opponent on it.
Stanford lost to USC, which lost to Boston College(which lost to multiple teams), that doesn’t make Stanford and USC mid-tier ACC teams.
South Carolina beat Georgia, but lost to Texas A&M(pretty much entirely why they were highly ranked too, even if in hindsight the win was meh), and also lost to Missouri, which lost to Indiana. That doesn’t make every team that beats Indiana better than the entire SEC East. That doesn’t even make South Carolina better than Georgia.
More important than ANYTHING is watching the football games, which multiple AP writers have publicly admitted they do not do when submitting their poll rankings.
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
There is actually a lot of carryover between schedules and on the field play this year. ECU and Georgia Tech have to be over Ohio St because both of them went to Va Tech and did what OSU couldn’t do at home. Clemson and Stanford squeak in because both of them ffeel better than two loss teams. I just stuck Mizzou in there because they only have one loss but it was a very ugly one.
Nebraska and Mich state I think are both very good teams and look like the class of the B1G but Oregon losing hurt Mich St, in turn hurting Nebraska. Baylor has the most room to grow, and I cant help but penalize Notre Dame for what happened the last time they were undefeated at the end. Probably should have Zona higher than TCU because they went on the road and beat Oregon, but I personally thought Oklahoma was the best team in the country so they are getting a couple points from me there. [/quote]
I tend to agree with most of your thoughts, but you have to be careful just taking every single game(and upset, because sometimes it is just an upset and not ‘the better team winning’) and going all common opponent on it.
Stanford lost to USC, which lost to Boston College(which lost to multiple teams), that doesn’t make Stanford and USC mid-tier ACC teams.
South Carolina beat Georgia, but lost to Texas A&M(pretty much entirely why they were highly ranked too, even if in hindsight the win was meh), and also lost to Missouri, which lost to Indiana. That doesn’t make every team that beats Indiana better than the entire SEC East. That doesn’t even make South Carolina better than Georgia.
More important than ANYTHING is watching the football games, which multiple AP writers have publicly admitted they do not do when submitting their poll rankings.[/quote]
Oh, yeah, I definitely agree. I have managed to watch a lot of games this year. Va Tech looked really impressive against OSU but rather pedestrian against ECU at home when they should have been feeding off that crowd. I didn’t want to put Missouri that high because a loss to Indiana should be damning and a win against South Carolina isn’t looking like much right now.
South Carolina sucking it up has to push the Georgia down a little, even at 4-1 they feel like they are hanging on for dear life against teams like Vandy. They just aren’t the team I thought they would be. LSU at 3-2, if you just look at losses have only lost to the teams I have 1 and 2 but they just look terrible and Clemson and Stanford looks like they are two or three plays from being undefeated.
I know I am from Mississippi but the physicality of our two teams this year, especially MSU has been extremely impressive. They have benefitted from picking up and grooming 2 and 3 star recruits with a few elites mixed in by not sending 6-8 underclassmen to the NFL for several years. That’s LSU, Bama, and Georgia’s biggest issue, along with new QB’s. You can only send that many recruits away early for a year or two before it catches you. MSU has a team full of upperclassmen that can lean on those young guys pretty heavily for 4 quarters. The difference in a 22 and an 18 year old man is fairly significant.
Also, I do think that what happens on the field has to be held into the highest consideration when picking four teams. I mean it may be an upset and the better team may have lost (in my eyes that has happened to Oklahoma, Oregon, Stanford twice, and Alabama) but Zona, TCU, and Ole Miss should still get the respect of surpassing what I believe to be the better team because they proved it on the field and at this early junction we don’t have much else to go on with their resumes. That will all change toward the end though.
[quote]red04 wrote:
I tend to agree with most of your thoughts, but you have to be careful just taking every single game(and upset, because sometimes it is just an upset and not ‘the better team winning’) and going all common opponent on it.
Stanford lost to USC, which lost to Boston College(which lost to multiple teams), that doesn’t make Stanford and USC mid-tier ACC teams.
South Carolina beat Georgia, but lost to Texas A&M(pretty much entirely why they were highly ranked too, even if in hindsight the win was meh), and also lost to Missouri, which lost to Indiana. That doesn’t make every team that beats Indiana better than the entire SEC East. That doesn’t even make South Carolina better than Georgia.
More important than ANYTHING is watching the football games, which multiple AP writers have publicly admitted they do not do when submitting their poll rankings.[/quote]
Yes, winning against a team is not a transitive relation. Good point. A lot of people act like you can apply the transitive property. I think looking at common opponents is a good idea, but it does not always tell the whole story.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I know I am from Mississippi but the physicality of our two teams this year, especially MSU has been extremely impressive. They have benefitted from picking up and grooming 2 and 3 star recruits with a few elites mixed in by not sending 6-8 underclassmen to the NFL for several years. That’s LSU, Bama, and Georgia’s biggest issue, along with new QB’s. You can only send that many recruits away early for a year or two before it catches you. MSU has a team full of upperclassmen that can lean on those young guys pretty heavily for 4 quarters. The difference in a 22 and an 18 year old man is fairly significant.
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It always an interesting thing to watch in college sports (football, basketball, hockey) to see of under class men professional prospects match-up against seniors who may not play at the next level. What wins talent or experience?
I like Miss St. this year. I think they are my mid season pick in the SEC. They have been fun to watch. Welcome to the Heisman race Dak Prescott.