Flash, any thoughts on this Jason Smith dude that the Knicks signed?
[quote]punnyguy wrote:
Flash, any thoughts on this Jason Smith dude that the Knicks signed?[/quote]
Is he the big white kid?
Googled him and it’s the same guy. Honestly don’t know much about him other than he puts up solid #'s in limited minutes. Also saw he’s coming off an injury. Not even sure who the Knicks starting center is (Bargnani?) so I guess they’re trying to stockpile bigs who can shoot and pass for Jackson’s triangle. Think they’d have been better of going for Josh McRoberts (signed with Miami).
Well, apparently James told Cavs brass he wants Love and now they’re willing to deal Wiggins. Wouldn’t be surprised to see this go down soon, but not sure who else is involved. Imagine Bennett or Thompson would be part of it.
Don’t laugh but the Bulls look like they’re not a team to be fucked with in the 2014-2015 season:
Derrick Rose
Pau Gasol
Joakim Noah
Doug McDermott
Jimmy Butler
Apparently, Doug McDermott has been the stand-out rookie during thd Summer League stretch among the hype of guys like Parker, Wiggins and Randle. Although incredibly presumptuous they say he’s a more athlete Larry Bird type player. Definitely more all rounded than Kyle Korver and with more potential than Chandler Parsons.
My opinion is that the above roster can win a championship if we are to assume that they form a strong chemistry and all of those guys play to their potential or at least widely-held public expectations.
I would trade Wiggens/draft picks for Love, however i dont want to give up a anyone else. I doubt bennet/thompson will ever be all stars, but theyre quality nba players and depth is important.
The longer this gets dragged out, the less leverage the wolves have because Love is leaving either way.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Y’all really believe this? Outside of the league just granting an ECF birth to James (they’re obviously not above that), I don’t see it. There is almost a zero percent chance Wiggins ever comes anywhere near Love’s statistical production, and for all of the talk of his potential and defensive ability, he’s still completely unproven.
We have NO IDEA how he’ll develop, and assuming he’ll be an elite defender from day one is silly at best. We have no idea how he covers NBA offenses or even how well he’ll handle contact. He hasn’t exactly lit the summer league on fire either. Also, what if he struggles? You think the Wolves are gonna pull the trigger then? I’ve got nothing against Wiggins, but outside of inflated vert #'s and a less than stellar (based off expectations) college season, he hasn’t shown much. Trade him for Love.
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Yeah WF, after further reflection, it’s basically a no-brainer to bring in Love asap.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Apparently, Doug McDermott has been the stand-out rookie during thd Summer League stretch among the hype of guys like Parker, Wiggins and Randle. Although incredibly presumptuous they say he’s a more athlete Larry Bird type player. Definitely more all rounded than Kyle Korver and with more potential than Chandler Parsons.
My opinion is that the above roster can win a championship if we are to assume that they form a strong chemistry and all of those guys play to their potential or at least widely-held public expectations.[/quote]
Easy there on McDermott. Let’s at least wait and see on his response to hitting the “rookie wall” at midseason.
And they’ll also need D Rose to recapture most of his pre-injury explosiveness, far from a sure thing.
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Y’all really believe this? Outside of the league just granting an ECF birth to James (they’re obviously not above that), I don’t see it. There is almost a zero percent chance Wiggins ever comes anywhere near Love’s statistical production, and for all of the talk of his potential and defensive ability, he’s still completely unproven.
We have NO IDEA how he’ll develop, and assuming he’ll be an elite defender from day one is silly at best. We have no idea how he covers NBA offenses or even how well he’ll handle contact. He hasn’t exactly lit the summer league on fire either. Also, what if he struggles? You think the Wolves are gonna pull the trigger then? I’ve got nothing against Wiggins, but outside of inflated vert #'s and a less than stellar (based off expectations) college season, he hasn’t shown much. Trade him for Love.
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Yeah WF, after further reflection, it’s basically a no-brainer to bring in Love asap.
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Didn’t mean for my first sentence to sound dismissive, was legitimately curious. We all know Love has some defensive deficiencies and everyone thinks Wiggins is Scottie Pippen 2.0 (I even wrote on here that he reminded of him physically) but it’s gonna take him time. After what I wrote about us not knowing how he’ll handle NBA offenses I watched 6’1" Isaiah Canaan of the Rockets straight give him the business. That doesn’t necessarily mean anything other than he needs time. Kevin Love makes them ECF contenders and potential Finals threats. It might take a year 'cause no one knows about chemistry or how he and/or Irving will handle playoff ball or even what the rest of the team will look like, but having the best player in the game, a top 10 player in the game and one of the top 5 young pg’s in the game is a helluva start.
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Apparently, Doug McDermott has been the stand-out rookie during thd Summer League stretch among the hype of guys like Parker, Wiggins and Randle. Although incredibly presumptuous they say he’s a more athlete Larry Bird type player. Definitely more all rounded than Kyle Korver and with more potential than Chandler Parsons.
My opinion is that the above roster can win a championship if we are to assume that they form a strong chemistry and all of those guys play to their potential or at least widely-held public expectations.[/quote]
Easy there on McDermott. Let’s at least wait and see on his response to hitting the “rookie wall” at midseason.
And they’ll also need D Rose to recapture most of his pre-injury explosiveness, far from a sure thing.
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I like McDermott, but who exactly has said he’s a more athletic Larry Bird? Their games are NOTHING alike. Bird is the best passing and best rebounding SF of all time and had one of the 5 best basketball minds ever. McDermott can shoot the shit outta the ball, is more athletic than given credit for and despite concerns can most definitely get his own shot at this level. Also, it drives me nuts when white players are only compared to other white players.Since McDermott is white, he’s gotta be the next Wally Sczerbiak… if he plays like anyone to me he’s got some Michael Redd in him.
Agree with a lot of what is being said.
If I were in charge of the Cavs (or really any team) I would give up Wiggins (or which ever prospect) for Love. You would be very happy if Wiggins (or which ever prospect) developed into a player of Love’s caliber. Why not just skip the development process (which is not guaranteed) and add an established player. Especially since you have Lebron now; so, the time to win is now. Lebron is not getting younger.
[quote]Aggv wrote:
The longer this gets dragged out, the less leverage the wolves have because Love is leaving either way. [/quote]
Wolves need to be careful, but I do not think they need to rush. They are getting better offers now than in the past.The rumors that Wiggins is available might get Golden State to up their offer.
The problem is Love can essentially veto any trade by telling an interested team he won’t resign with them…
[quote]JMac31 wrote:
The problem is Love can essentially veto any trade by telling an interested team he won’t resign with them…[/quote]
This is the big X Factor here.
The Wolves don’t really have all that many options. Even if Golden State said “we will give you everyone you want plus all our draft picks for the next decade” it would only take Love telling them “I won’t re up with you and I’m gone after this season” for the deal to fall through.
Love basically has a trade veto if he wants. No one is going to give up a lot for him if he tells them flat out he’s going to bolt. If he wants to go to the Cavs then he’ll be there.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]JMac31 wrote:
The problem is Love can essentially veto any trade by telling an interested team he won’t resign with them…[/quote]
This is the big X Factor here.
The Wolves don’t really have all that many options. Even if Golden State said “we will give you everyone you want plus all our draft picks for the next decade” it would only take Love telling them “I won’t re up with you and I’m gone after this season” for the deal to fall through.
Love basically has a trade veto if he wants. No one is going to give up a lot for him if he tells them flat out he’s going to bolt. If he wants to go to the Cavs then he’ll be there. [/quote]
He’s already publicly said he’d sign an extension in Cleveland provided James is there. Don’t think he’s made the same claim for GSW.
It’s a win-win for the Cavs, wiggens or Love.
Been thinking about this and have come to the conclusion that this is more NBA drama. If the Cavs wanted Wiggins, they’d have signed him already. I imagine this was basically the Wolves pick and they’re playing it out to keep the league in the headlines during the off-season. There is literally a zero percent chance James goes back to Cleveland to lose in the second round, and that’s exactly what happens with this current roster.
At this stage I’d be very surprised if Love DIDN’T end up in Cleveland. As was mentioned, he can veto any trade by saying he won’t resign, so the Wolves really don’t have much influence over the entire situation. Love is supposedly good friends with LeBron James AND Kyrie Irving, which when you add to the strength of that team if he were to sign with the Cavs, makes it incredibly logical that he should become a Cavalier.
I think the Cavs, as is, are in the ECF. Even though the east seems to have more depth this year I think LeBron can carry that young the to the ECF at least. I mean, he took a lesser team to the finals when he was just a young pup and he’s a lot more well rounded now.
With or without Love, they aren’t winning the title this year but if they add Love now, have a chance to play togeher for a season and add a rim protector at the mid season trade deadline/before next year I think they can win the title that season.
[quote]gregron wrote:
I think the Cavs, as is, are in the ECF. Even though the east seems to have more depth this year I think LeBron can carry that young the to the ECF at least. I mean, he took a lesser team to the finals when he was just a young pup and he’s a lot more well rounded now.
With or without Love, they aren’t winning the title this year but if they add Love now, have a chance to play togeher for a season and add a rim protector at the mid season trade deadline/before next year I think they can win the title that season.[/quote]
They made it to the Finals 'cause Stern walked 'em in. There’s obviously the chance that the league will just allow James to bring ratings, but on basketball alone this is a fringe second round team at best.
Front page of ESPN.com right now where it lists of all the stories in the upper right:
“Irving: ‘Great feeling’ about LeBron addition”
Really you don’t say?
No, I did not waste my time reading this article. But I did spend time to post this…
[quote]JMac31 wrote:
Front page of ESPN.com right now where it lists of all the stories in the upper right:
“Irving: ‘Great feeling’ about LeBron addition”
Really you don’t say?
No, I did not waste my time reading this article. But I did spend time to post this…[/quote]
lol
“I have a good feeling about having the worst team in the NBA last year and then adding the best player in the league on our team now.”
ESPN really does have pretty worthless articles these days. I even changed my TV package to get rid of ESPN because it’s so worthless. Haven’t watched it in probably 5 months and don’t miss a thing.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
this is a fringe second round team at best.[/quote]
^ i dont think you understand how much they underachieved and were let down by poor coaching last year. This team is a LOCK to go to the ECF as is.
If they dint have a few horrible stretches last year with internal drama (due to lack of strong character and coaching inside the locker room) they would have easily made the 7-8 seed.
Indiana is worse off losing lance.
Chicago will be better, and tough to stop inside but who knows about Rose. His game will not work without him being the athletic freak that he is, who knows how that will be with 2 bum knees
The only team i could see giving the Cavs trouble is the wizards. wall/beal is a really good backcourt, gortat/nene are beasts at the 4/5, and paul pierce is lebrons playoff nemesis it seems.
Cavs losing in the second round is a joke.