Pretty sure I heard he gave consent to be recorded
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DN90 wrote:
Donald Sterling just got a lifetime ban:
http://nba.si.com/2014/04/29/donald-sterling-suspension-fine-adam-silver-clippers/?eref=sihp
What do you guys think?
I think it was a pretty good decision overall. When I read the reports of other incidents involving him it was pretty obvious to me that anything less than getting rid of him would be not enough.
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Bullshit.
Getting banned over an illegally taped conversation?
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I don’t disagree at all that banning someone over a taped conversation alone would be wrong if it were an isolated incident. Those weren’t public statements that he made, it wouldn’t be fair to hold that against him. That’s why I said when the reports of other incidents came out. This was just the trigger event.
This guy apparently had a history, and it was going to make the NBA look awful if it didn’t react strongly here. To some extent it looks like they already were letting things slide.
If the NBA didn’t react swift and harsh it would only get worse.
I don’t know if they’ll be able to actually force the sale though, they need 3/4 of the owners to vote on it I think, and of course Sterling might take the issue to court and try his hand there.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]DN90 wrote:
Donald Sterling just got a lifetime ban:
http://nba.si.com/2014/04/29/donald-sterling-suspension-fine-adam-silver-clippers/?eref=sihp
What do you guys think?
I think it was a pretty good decision overall. When I read the reports of other incidents involving him it was pretty obvious to me that anything less than getting rid of him would be not enough.
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Agree with Mark Cuban, it’s a slippery slope.What about the 1st amendment?
I honestly don’t even understand how it works. He owns the team, but he can’t run operations or whatever. Makes no sense.
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He’s basically banned from doing anything relating to the team. I don’t if that will work at all in practice, he might easily be able to find some way around it.
The key will be if they are able to force the sale. I can’t say I disagree with you about the slippery slope, it might happen, but I think it was a good decision here, and I can’t say they shouldn’t try to get rid of him for fear of a future event that may never come up.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Agree with Mark Cuban, it’s a slippery slope.What about the 1st amendment?
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1st Amendment rights are often misinterpreted. You have the freedom to your views and to express them without arrest or persecution from the government. You are not free from consequence in your workplace.
Lester Munson seems to think that Sterling is legally fucked and any recourse he attempts to take will be quickly shot down in court because the NBA(like other major sports) has air-tight anti-trust exemptions and its own binding constitution and ‘government’ of owners.
Honestly at this point, it’s probably in Sterling’s best interest to sell the Clippers regardless of how events have progressed til now, because the franchise is worth more than ever, and will be steadily dropping in price from the moment he made those comments until the moment his ties to the franchise are completely gone. Right now, people in the NBA circle(not Forbe’s horribly underestimated value) believe the team is worth well over 1B, possibly closer to 1.5.
He will be given any money the NBA makes selling the franchise in a public auction after its seizure, so it’s not like this is all bad for him.
[quote]red04 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Agree with Mark Cuban, it’s a slippery slope.What about the 1st amendment?
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You are not free from consequence in your workplace.
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Yes, I understand you aren’t free from consequence and I think that’s a good thing. However, the consequences should be doled out by the people (in this case the sponsors, consumers, players, coaches, etc…) not the organization, imo. It’s a dangerous precedent, again, imo.
^It’s his work place.
Even though he’s a billionaire, a $2.5M fine for something he said off the record in private is insane.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Even though he’s a billionaire, a $2.5M fine for something he said off the record in private is insane.[/quote]
That’s .025% assuming his net worth is $1 billion flat. If you make $100K a year that equates to a $250 fine.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Even though he’s a billionaire, a $2.5M fine for something he said off the record in private is insane.[/quote]
It’s obviously a retroactive punishment for all of the other shit he’s done over the years. Gotta be honest though, some of the complaints seem completely made up. Like the alleged “beautiful black bodies” comment by Sam Cassel and Elton Brand. Have y’all ever seen Sam Cassel and Elton Brand?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Even though he’s a billionaire, a $2.5M fine for something he said off the record in private is insane.[/quote]
That’s .025% assuming his net worth is $1 billion flat. If you make $100K a year that equates to a $250 fine.
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Yes I understand. That’s why I started off my post with “Even though he’s a billionaire”
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Even though he’s a billionaire, a $2.5M fine for something he said off the record in private is insane.[/quote]
That’s .025% assuming his net worth is $1 billion flat. If you make $100K a year that equates to a $250 fine.
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Yes I understand. That’s why I started off my post with “Even though he’s a billionaire”
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I guess we don’t use the word “insane” the same way…
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Have y’all ever seen Sam Cassel and Elton Brand?[/quote]
LMAO
Sam Cassell is one ugly fucker.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Have y’all ever seen Sam Cassel and Elton Brand?[/quote]
LMAO
Sam Cassell is one ugly fucker.
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He looks like my grandpa if my grandpa were an ashy black alien. He could hoop though.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DN90 wrote:
Donald Sterling just got a lifetime ban:
http://nba.si.com/2014/04/29/donald-sterling-suspension-fine-adam-silver-clippers/?eref=sihp
What do you guys think?
I think it was a pretty good decision overall. When I read the reports of other incidents involving him it was pretty obvious to me that anything less than getting rid of him would be not enough.
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Bullshit.
Getting banned over an illegally taped conversation? [/quote]
Not at all bullshit simply because this (very rapidly) became MUCH MORE about the consequences of hubris/ignorance, versus the ignorance itself.
When players start talking boycott and sponsors start leaving in droves, then the entire structure is potentially undermined. Clearly, the Commissioner’s hand was forced.
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Back to hoop talk though…
Thus far, this is EASILY the best first-round of my lifetime
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DN90 wrote:
Donald Sterling just got a lifetime ban:
http://nba.si.com/2014/04/29/donald-sterling-suspension-fine-adam-silver-clippers/?eref=sihp
What do you guys think?
I think it was a pretty good decision overall. When I read the reports of other incidents involving him it was pretty obvious to me that anything less than getting rid of him would be not enough.
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Bullshit.
Getting banned over an illegally taped conversation? [/quote]
Not at all bullshit simply because this (very rapidly) became MUCH MORE about the consequences of hubris/ignorance, versus the ignorance itself.
When players start talking boycott and sponsors start leaving in droves, then the entire structure is potentially undermined. Clearly, the Commissioner’s hand was forced.
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FWIW, that Stiviano woman is saying that the conversation was recorded with consent, and that there is a 3rd party in the room not heard who will corroborate this, so even the ‘defense’(which is a legal defense in non-criminal case, so it’s not a defense) that the conversation was illegally recorded could be completely false.
Sterling has nothing to stand on, he has to basically pray that SCOTUS decides something occurring here breaks the NBA’s anti-trust exemptions and frees him from the punishment of the NBA constitution.
By all accounts he is an incredibly litigious man so maybe he will fight this, but it looks like the intelligent move is to sell right now. The money he loses in capital gains probably pales in comparison to the money he would lose by delaying a sale by any significant period of time. This franchise will plummet in value if it makes it to the offseason with him still being the owner because of the reaction from the players and Rivers.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Even though he’s a billionaire, a $2.5M fine for something he said off the record in private is insane.[/quote]
That’s .025% assuming his net worth is $1 billion flat. If you make $100K a year that equates to a $250 fine.
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Actually its closer to a $6000 fine based on yearly income.
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DN90 wrote:
Donald Sterling just got a lifetime ban:
http://nba.si.com/2014/04/29/donald-sterling-suspension-fine-adam-silver-clippers/?eref=sihp
What do you guys think?
I think it was a pretty good decision overall. When I read the reports of other incidents involving him it was pretty obvious to me that anything less than getting rid of him would be not enough.
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Bullshit.
Getting banned over an illegally taped conversation? [/quote]
Not at all bullshit simply because this (very rapidly) became MUCH MORE about the consequences of hubris/ignorance, versus the ignorance itself.
When players start talking boycott and sponsors start leaving in droves, then the entire structure is potentially undermined. Clearly, the Commissioner’s hand was forced.
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My comments were in relation to how just this decision was, not if it made business sense.
I don’t disagree with what you wrote.
[quote]sufiandy wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Even though he’s a billionaire, a $2.5M fine for something he said off the record in private is insane.[/quote]
That’s .025% assuming his net worth is $1 billion flat. If you make $100K a year that equates to a $250 fine.
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Actually its closer to a $6000 fine based on yearly income.[/quote]
Are you talking about his yearly income?
$2,500,000/$1,000,000,000 = 0.25%
$100,000 * 0.25% = $250
[quote]chillain wrote:
Back to hoop talk though…
Thus far, this is EASILY the best first-round of my lifetime
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Who do you have in the BKN/TOR series at this point?