I wonder if Haslem gets suspended for game 6 due to this flagrant:
http://tracking.si.com/2012/05/23/udonis-haslem-controversial-foul-tyler-hansbrough/
It probably won’t matter much if Granger is still injured but still a very, very stupid move considering how much they need him on the floor.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Hrmm… didn’t pick up on that. I’m going try and check out an NBA TV game replay. [/quote]
You kinda expect it in Games 1,2,5 so it was really last weekend’s games at Staples where it really stood out to me.
[quote]js252 wrote:
this is a honest question here not trying to be sarcastic or anything but was metta not doing the same if not worse to durant pretty much every possession? [/quote]
I never saw World Peace intentionally fouling regularly. Meanwhile, it sure looked like Thabo’s primary objective in 2nd halfs and the only reason Nazr was out there period.
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
There was definitely some favourable calls for OKC, but I think it’s being played up as a bigger factor than it actually was.
It wasn’t extremely lopsided.[/quote]
Actually it was, and I’ll tell you how:
Setting aside all the flopping bullcrap, the refs consistently allowed OKC to foul by design.
What I mean is on every 2nd half possession, Sefalosha was fouling Bryant. Off-ball holding, blatant on-ball hand checking, and reaching and hacking the whole way. Now, he was doing this on purpose simply BECAUSE HE WAS OUT THERE TO COLLECT FOULS. He would not have complained about the whistles, he would’ve simply continued doing that until he was subbed out… unless the refs never whistled his violations in the first place.
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This is exactly what I’m talking about with not listening to fans of a team when they complain.
Ron Artest (and for that matter Tony Allen or any good defensive wing) does this literally every possession against Durant, especially in the postseason. Every good wing defender knows exactly what they can get away with, you just don’t watch it when your team is on D.
edit: I didn’t see above posts when I said this.
Regardless, first of all you can not read a player’s mind so stop assuming intent. Artest grabs holds and pushes Durant (or he has every time I’ve watched them play) - who gives a rat’s ass what his intent was, the actions were the same. The action either is a foul or is not.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Regardless, first of all you can not read a player’s mind so stop assuming intent. Artest grabs holds and pushes Durant (or he has every time I’ve watched them play) - who gives a rat’s ass what his intent was, the actions were the same. The action either is a foul or is not.[/quote]
Cmon scj, you’re just reaching now.
No need to read intent, OKC’s rotation of players is pretty darn consistent (ie. precious little room for Sefalosha and Nazr in the end-game)
[quote]chillain wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Regardless, first of all you can not read a player’s mind so stop assuming intent. Artest grabs holds and pushes Durant (or he has every time I’ve watched them play) - who gives a rat’s ass what his intent was, the actions were the same. The action either is a foul or is not.[/quote]
Cmon scj, you’re just reaching now.
No need to read intent, OKC’s rotation of players is pretty darn consistent (ie. precious little room for Sefalosha and Nazr in the end-game)
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Just because he doesn’t get minutes doesn’t mean he intends to foul. Fouling Kobe off the ball at random times is fucking stupid. It puts LA in the bonus and all it does is make them inbound the ball and restart their position. What exactly is the benefit of fouling him?
One of your most retarded arguments.
Seriously when in the history of the NBA has a non-big-man ever been intentionally fouled off the ball before they got it (excluding late game situations)?
Now, if he’s beaten on a dribble drive he may foul to prevent a layup because he knows his personal foul count doesn’t matter, but that’s different because it’s preventing a sure bucket. Fouling off the ball randomly in the middle of a possession has zero benefit.
Thought this was great
Kobye - The Kobe That We Used To Know
[quote]scj119 wrote:
One of your most retarded arguments.[/quote]
Ok, that’s more like it.
I know I already explained the benefit – put the onus on the refs and be ready to adjust to how they’re officiating… or not – and you already explained how you didn’t catch much of the series anyway.
Sure, there’s nothing wrong with practical theory and standard basketball strategy you just outlined, but I’m not talking theory here… just an OKC-LAL series that was MUCH CLOSER than the 4-1 outcome indicated.
Lakers fans complaining about favoritism from the refs and the league for the other team. Man, I’m seriously getting long in the tooth…
Three straight games now and it’s safe to say the old D Wade is back…
Eleven 1st-half FGs = WOW
The commentator made a comment on how they can’t rest Granger even if he has 5 fouls because it’s an elimination game. He said if it weren’t an elimination game, Granger would take a seat until the last few minutes. I never understood why people say this.
Why would your strategy change if it’s game 1 or game 7? How does the effectiveness of a strategy change by being an elimination game?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
The commentator made a comment on how they can’t rest Granger even if he has 5 fouls because it’s an elimination game. He said if it weren’t an elimination game, Granger would take a seat until the last few minutes. I never understood why people say this.
Why would your strategy change if it’s game 1 or game 7? How does the effectiveness of a strategy change by being an elimination game?
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I’m not going to bother to answer this because I know some people will anyway.
But I’d just like to make a comment to all the Miami Heat haters : what you gotta say now?
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
The commentator made a comment on how they can’t rest Granger even if he has 5 fouls because it’s an elimination game. He said if it weren’t an elimination game, Granger would take a seat until the last few minutes. I never understood why people say this.
Why would your strategy change if it’s game 1 or game 7? How does the effectiveness of a strategy change by being an elimination game?
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I’m not going to bother to answer this because I know some people will anyway.
But I’d just like to make a comment to all the Miami Heat haters : what you gotta say now?[/quote]
Then why did you quote it?
The answer raj is it should make no difference. There is one particular way to get the most minutes out of him in that game, and whatever the coach thinks is the right way to do that, is what he should do every time.
Obviously you will take more chances if you are losing than if you are winning - but given the same score/clock in game 1 you should have the same strategy as in an elimination game.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
But I’d just like to make a comment to all the Miami Heat haters : what you gotta say now?[/quote]
I’m not a hater, but the simple fact you are bragging about beating the Pacers in the 2nd round shows how incredibly far their expectations have fallen.
Bosh or not, no one is beating the Spurs right now. They are historically good. Pick whatever stat you want (24-3 in last 27 road games where 2 of the losses were with their stars benched; 43-4 in the last 47 games Parker plays; 26-game win streak with only 4 wins by less than 10pts (2 without starters), Best offense in the NBA). In a full season this team might win over 65 games.
CONFERENCE FINALS PREDICTIONS (doubt I’ll log in to TN between PHI/BOS game 7 and OKC/SAS game 1):
Spurs in 5.
MIA over PHI in 5
MIA over BOS in 5.
I wanted to pick MIA over BOS in 7, but the Celtics are injured beyond repair.
btw I made a $5 bet last year on the Spurs to win the championship - at 25:1 odds.
yeeea buddy.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
The commentator made a comment on how they can’t rest Granger even if he has 5 fouls because it’s an elimination game. He said if it weren’t an elimination game, Granger would take a seat until the last few minutes. I never understood why people say this.
Why would your strategy change if it’s game 1 or game 7? How does the effectiveness of a strategy change by being an elimination game?
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I’m not going to bother to answer this because I know some people will anyway.
But I’d just like to make a comment to all the Miami Heat haters : what you gotta say now?[/quote]
Then why did you quote it?
The answer raj is it should make no difference. There is one particular way to get the most minutes out of him in that game, and whatever the coach thinks is the right way to do that, is what he should do every time.
Obviously you will take more chances if you are losing than if you are winning - but given the same score/clock in game 1 you should have the same strategy as in an elimination game.[/quote]
That’s pretty much what I was thinking. Just one of those cliche’s commentators love to throw out there. Reminds of how baseball commentators love to say “pitchers pitch to the score.”
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
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But I’d just like to make a comment to all the Miami Heat haters : what you gotta say now?[/quote]
def. not a fan or a hater but…
did i miss the nba finals and they won it all already?
not really into bball~
[quote]Edgy wrote:
not really into bball~[/quote]
bocce ball?
me neither…
oh Bocci Ball…
I thought this was a Basketball thread~
carry on~