[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
And LOL at anyone ever believing a rumor of a sign and trade for nash and fields being the piece.[/quote]
It does mean you’ll likely have to give up Shumpert who is good if you want Nash ;)[/quote]
Your right, but man even with his injury, I dont think Im willing to do it…I think Shump has a chance to be an allstar type player.
Looks like the Mavs are going to aggressively pursue Lin, if they sign him to a ridiculous back-loaded contract fine they can have him, but I know that will force the knicks hand from a marketing perspective.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
And LOL at anyone ever believing a rumor of a sign and trade for nash and fields being the piece.[/quote]
It does mean you’ll likely have to give up Shumpert who is good if you want Nash ;)[/quote]
Your right, but man even with his injury, I dont think Im willing to do it…I think Shump has a chance to be an allstar type player.
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Looks like they’re working out a sign and trade for Nash… and Shumpert will be going the other way.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
D-Will just signed a 5 year extension with the NJN.
I’m kinda hoping for a big 3 of Deron, Howard and Joe Johnson. Not sure if that’s financially possible.[/quote]
I’m gutted by this. Was hoping for a D Will & Dirk unit. Don’t think I even want Howard as an off chance to be a Maverick now.
So now say Brooklyn signs Dwight … anyone think this team will actually place higher than the Magic have in the past with the lack of cap space to sign good role players? I rate the Bulls and Heat for top two in the east. Add to that the Knicks who I think under Woodson and some right signings (PG especially) will be a top 4 team. I’m sure there will also be one other surprise team in this conference who has a breakout year a la Pacers last season.
It puts them in as a potential championship team no doubt, but the East is looking pretty damn stacked even for your big 3 teams.
Lin is a smart dude and he’s making the Knicks think hard about how much they want to give him. He just got offered 5/5/10?/10? by the Rockets. I think they have to at least match that, the revenue directly and indirectly attributed to him would more than pay that off.
Nash is going to the Lakers!!!
This looks good on paper but the more you think about it the more you realise how futile it is. The Lakers still can’t beat the Thunder even with Nash. The Lakers just got older and didn’t help their team defensively at all.
The one guy that will probably benefit is Bynum but I don’t know how the Bryant-Nash dynamic is going to work. This is a short-term strategy by Mitch Kupchak in an attempt to place the Lakers into title contention again. The problem is they need youth and athleticism to compete with the Thunder, who are the perennial future leaders of the Western Conference.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
This looks good on paper but the more you think about it the more you realise how futile it is. The Lakers still can’t beat the Thunder even with Nash. The Lakers just got older and didn’t help their team defensively at all.
The one guy that will probably benefit is Bynum but I don’t know how the Bryant-Nash dynamic is going to work. This is a short-term strategy by Mitch Kupchak in an attempt to place the Lakers into title contention again. The problem is they need youth and athleticism to compete with the Thunder, who are the perennial future leaders of the Western Conference.[/quote]
I’m with Gett on this one.
My first thought was “Interesting move!” Then when I really thought about it, I said “You know…no question…Nash is a Baller…but he IS 38 years old…”
ANYBODY who expects to be competitive in the West HAS to be able to Ball with the OC Young Guns…that’s a fact.
In the NBA, the legs begin to give out way before the Heart does. Just ask the Celtics and the great MJ himself!
Mufasa
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Man the Nets are out of their mind if they want Dwight Howard in addition to Williams and Johnson. I don’t even see how it’s possible for them to sign Howard considering how much money they gave Williams and have to give to Johnson. Do they actually think they can win a championship with those three guys? None of those three guys has won anything in their respective careers and none have proven that they’re actually worth the hype they get. The Nets are just bundling a bunch of losers with next to nothing in support and asking them to win a championship. [/quote]
Dwight took an Orlando team whose second best player was Jameer Nelson to the NBA finals.
None of them have had a good enough team to win a title. They fit well (their specialties don’t really overlap). They could win one with those guys as their core.
Raptors on the verge of getting Lowry. Would be an awesome get for them, very good PG on a ridiculously good contract.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Raptors on the verge of getting Lowry. Would be an awesome get for them, very good PG on a ridiculously good contract.
Because it would help them in their playoff run next year.
How could he possibly be worth a lottery pick?
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Do they actually think they can win a championship with those three guys? [/quote]
Yes and I agree with them. Not saying they’d do it the first year together but there’s enough talent between the 3 of them to get it done. Maybe Howard will pull his head out of his ass if he plays for a very good chance of getting to the Finals and more.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Raptors on the verge of getting Lowry. Would be an awesome get for them, very good PG on a ridiculously good contract.
Because it would help them in their playoff run next year.
How could he possibly be worth a lottery pick?[/quote]
Because he’s so cheap. Contract value matters, the production per dollar on Lowry is through the roof.
A 14/4/7 PG who can shoot 3’s and plays good D is pretty valuable.
Edit: Also, pick is protected, not sure on the specifics of the protection though.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Raptors on the verge of getting Lowry. Would be an awesome get for them, very good PG on a ridiculously good contract.
Because it would help them in their playoff run next year.
How could he possibly be worth a lottery pick?[/quote]
Because he’s so cheap. Contract value matters, the production per dollar on Lowry is through the roof.
A 14/4/7 PG who can shoot 3’s and plays good D is pretty valuable.
Edit: Also, pick is protected, not sure on the specifics of the protection though.[/quote]
Yes but what exactly is the ceiling of this team he has assembled? Indiana Pacers?
Sell off picks once you have at least one all star type talent.
Let’s be honest here. Yes he’s a better defender but Calderon is the better shooter and passer.
The way the NBA is setup you either have to be located in a highly attractive destination (LAL, NY) or luck out in the draft to contend. Yes there are exceptions (SAS) but they only work to prove the rule. I don’t see another way for Toronto but to get a stud in the draft.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Let’s be honest here. Yes he’s a better defender but Calderon is the better shooter and passer.[/quote]
They’ve shot similarly from 3pt range the last 2 years and Lowry is an INFINITELY better defender. Also one of the hardest working guys in the NBA from what I hear.
Remember that the pick they gave for Lowry is protected. You aren’t getting a Kevin Durant without a top-3 pick, so they aren’t changing their odds of landing a star talent because they won’t give up the pick if it’s a good one. Still not seeing anyone reporting on how protected it is though, if it’s full lottery protection it’s an awesome trade… if it’s top-3 protected, not so much.
Don’t forget, now that they have Lowry, they can use Calderon’s 8 mil expiring deal to bring in something without leaving a hole at PG. I have a feeling this will command more value than what they gave up for Lowry. You can get a nice building block for an 8mil expiring contract that belongs to a player who actually produces somewhat.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Raptors on the verge of getting Lowry. Would be an awesome get for them, very good PG on a ridiculously good contract.
Because it would help them in their playoff run next year.
How could he possibly be worth a lottery pick?[/quote]
Because he’s so cheap. Contract value matters, the production per dollar on Lowry is through the roof.
A 14/4/7 PG who can shoot 3’s and plays good D is pretty valuable.
Edit: Also, pick is protected, not sure on the specifics of the protection though.[/quote]
Yes but what exactly is the ceiling of this team he has assembled? Indiana Pacers?
Sell off picks once you have at least one all star type talent.
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Wait and see what they get for Calderon before you say they’re selling their future.
IMO Lowry/Valanciunas/Bargs is a playoff team in the East, plus if they get a good pick for Jose they have a nice core they can build on.
I don’t really like the “bottom out and hope you get lucky strategy”. You can’t get higher than 25 percent odds of the first overall pick, and even if you DO get lucky, you can’t even guarantee there will be a guy good enough to justify the strategy. It has a really low chance of working, and you can piss off your fans and drive attendance down for years trying to get it right.
OKC got lucky with Durant. How many other teams have succeeded with this strategy? Think about recent champions, Heat (Free Agency), BOS (free agency/trades), Lakers (Kobe alone wasn’t enough, Pau/Bynum were trades/draft, Shaq wasn’t their draft pick), Spurs (draft).
IMO the better strategy is to put a good core together and hope you get lucky in the draft, so that once your lucky hit is good, you already have the surrounding cast in place. You can bottom out and get a number 1 pick but then you are just adding one good player to the worst team in the NBA (look at the Wizards). By the time you have the right TEAM he’ll be a free agent.